ZOOMING Mr Nico Haupt, page
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Topic started on 6-6-2007 @ 09:18 AM by zoomein
I have just read a very pertinent post that says quite rightly that the 9/11 Truth Movement seems to be being weakened, because there are now sides accusing each other of being disinformers. Surely the latest 'upset' at these boards with the 'No Planes' 9/11 theories gives a hint of this

So how are we to resolve this crisis?

Considering that --as far as I am aware--the main instigator for the 9/11 No-Planes TV Fakery theory seems to be Nico Haupt, it seems apt to really focus on what he and his followers are putting down. BUT to do this systematically so we are not all over the place. Ie., to concentrate on certain Nico's 'facts. For example, I am watching a video to do with Nico haupt, where he is being interviewed, and straightaway, Alex Jones is accused of being a double agent for MI6. - 'Channel Z - Nico Haupt on Cultural - TV Fakery; Cameo of Alex Jones on TW - CFR film' video.google.com...

is this accusation true? Are his accusations of Professor Jones, and professor David Ray Griffin are infiltrators, true, having said to have been involved with secret services and this is why they never mention 'exotic weaponry' etc etc

So to begin we could look at his accusation of Alex Jones, and just boldly investigate this, and if it is seen false, then go on to another 'fact, and so on. Maybe this thread could be the de-construction of Nico Haupt's theories, I dunno. But just banning him and his ilk, as apparently some 9/11 sites have done, surely just add to their rebellious chic mystique...?

So what do you say? I would particularly like the help with this from member mr.old.school, for it was via his info. I found OUT about Mr Nico Haupt in the first place

[edit on 6-6-2007 by zoomein]


reply posted on 30-6-2007 @ 11:13 AM by talisman
I am not sure if Nico was first, I think it was the GRANDMOTHER FROM CHICAGO, the WEBFAIRY who started some of this. She was debunked completely and I think she even altered clips.

I don't think Alex Jones is disinfo for the simple reason that he doesn't usually spend to much time trying to *ACCUSE* others. That is one of the hallmarks of COINTELPRO, disrpution of others in the movement.

What Alex Jones is at times, is MISINFORMED. I think he has his heart in the right place but he just isn't known for the best journalism. Although lately his site seems to be getting better.

But, the way they are going after Alex Jones and others is a sure sigh that he is making a difference.

If you noticed people who are with this tv fakery stuff, go around different message boards and spend an awful lot of time accusing others, people who have made a huge difference in public awareness. They go after these people on a consistent basis.

So it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. Tv Fakery people seem to buy into *SPACE BEAMS* or *ENERGY BEAMS*, or a wide range of ludicrous things, all meant to stop more real research.


I am going to deal with one item here, because to do deal with All their items is a waist of time.

They have put out this video of a *MOVING* bridge in the background of the towers. They also have a video clip on the link you provided of a man with a moving background or rotating background. They say the man is not really there etc.

Well I will link to a video, actually a test video for a Model and the Camera Lense is a V-3 Camera Lense which a lot of broadcast video's use.

Watch the background of of the clip between the *V* shape of the Tree Branches. You will see the trees continuing to move to the right as the center image of the foreground seems to be rather centered.

This has to do with the zoom effect and the movement of the person holding the camera.
www.youtube.com...

The illusion is perfectly natural.

A lot of the tv fakery stuff can be explained easily. See this site
www.questionsquestions.net...

And then
www.911disinformation.com...


But here is the real kicker in this. Shouldn't the tv fakery people produce sourced films?? I mean, who is to say they aren't the ones that aren't faking us?!

What we see from them, are highly compressed videos etc. They have to prove themselves by linking NOT TO SOMETHING ON YOUTUBE but referencing the REAL Source or archive in the NEWS CHANNEL. So we can examine quality. They don't do this.

Its a disinformation that has caught some real honest people in its web.




[edit on 30-6-2007 by talisman]


reply posted on 1-7-2007 @ 12:16 AM by talisman
sarah cohen

www.questionsquestions.net...

Eric does a nice job on refuting webairy and Nico.

I also posted a video that showed the movement of zoomed objects in background shots against a relatively stable foreground. So the question would be if tv fakery people make such simple mistakes, what others could there be?

But I wonder if many people are really interested in real analysis. Or the real tough questions?

Think of killtown when he would refused to give a standard of evidence, or 'evidence for evidence' if most of the evidence we rely on for 9/11 involves the media!!

The entire premise is self-refuting. This is what leads to illogical thoughts on the subject.

Consider those who argue there was planted PLANE PARTS with flight 93 but then say the planes themselves were CGI??!! They totally miss that this is absurd and its obvious since any photo of a "PLANE PART" might be just CGI as well! But they believe in planted parts in obscure places but fake planes in a heavily populated city!

Nico and webfairy are in my view there to try and cause a disruption in the 9/11 movement.

Thankfully it isn't working.

[edit on 1-7-2007 by talisman]


reply posted on 16-7-2007 @ 09:45 AM by SkepticOverlord
Nico was mentioned in a blistering NY POST article today...

www.NYPost.com

9/11 SKEPTICS LUNATIC FRINGE TARGETS WIDOW
July 16, 2007 -- THIS time, they've gone too far. A group of 9/11 conspiracy theorists - whackos who deny that jumbo jets brought down the World Trade Center - is on the attack. But their latest target isn't the government, which they claim destroyed the buildings with explosives. They're using a vicious Internet assault to pick on an elderly widow.
...
The Web site is the work of a Rick Siegel, who hawks DVDs that purport to prove the trade center's destruction was an inside job. He is partners with Nico Haupt, who is known for sending blistering e-mail rants to trade-center survivors.
My attempts to reach both men were fruitless.
The odd thing is that the loonies are picking on Ellen. She has been outspoken in insisting that the government knows more about the attacks than it is admitting. But a source familiar with the groups says they tend to target people who fall short of their extreme anti-Semitic, anti-everything views.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


I sometimes wonder if this negative 9/11 conspiracy press is exactly what Nico has been looking for.


reply posted on 16-7-2007 @ 10:47 AM by 11Bravo
Originally posted by ferretman2
I love it, the Ct'ers use Nico as a valid source and now he is being mentioned as counter-intel-pro. So now Nico is working for the Government?!?


I would call you ignorant, but thats not allowed.
Do you have any idea how cointelpro works, or what it is?
Cointelpro documents

Xerox copies of true documents, documents subtly incorporating false information, and entirely fabricated documents would be periodically anonymously mailed to the residence of a key Panther leader. These documents would be on the stationery and in the form used by the police department or by the FBI in disseminating information to the police. FBI documents, when used, would contain police routing or date received notations, clearly indicating they had been pilfered from police files. An attempt would be made to give the Panther recipient the impression the documents were stolen from police files by a disgruntled police employee sympathetic to the Panthers


You see how easy it is to get Mr. Nico Haupt barking up the wrong tree?
Do you see that 'they' can feed him anonymous documents, some real ones at first to make him a hero to the truth movement, then some not so real ones to make him out to be a nutter?
Read up on that link I provide, its very informative and all documented.

I seriously reccomend you do some research and atleast attempt to understand what we are dealing with as a nation.
Everything is NOT ok here, in case you didnt notice.
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