Question - What is the freeist country in th world ?

the country with the most freedom is the one YOU as a person feels the most free in..If you feel that you are restricted and cant move then you are not free..no matter what the laws are..I live in a small Oreogn town..not much happens here..( i mean they anounced on the public radio the police where doing jay walking sting last wednesday..even gave the street address)..i guess my point is that we can argue Law all night long..but the most important factor is you as a person..!

Boomslang

Kim, A good argument of a where lack of laws has deprived people of their basic freedoms is one of you threads :

i was absolutely disgusted..... (QUOTE MadS)

if she was truly free, then she could kill the guy without a thought and then it wouldnt have happened to her in the first place. so law itself has also deprived her of freedom. Law is a double edged sword.

I agree with Boomslang
"the country with the most freedom is the one YOU as a person feels the most free in"
thats what i mean about the native tribes.

Hey Kim, I agree. So back to the original question, which country do you think has the best balance between law and freedom ?

Again I wonder, Who here lived in the soviet union?

Yes, well, seeing what it is like to NOT be free, one appreciates what it is TO be free. Speak with anyone from russia for instance

I think america is the most free, because it allows for the most CHOICES. We can do almost anything, and we can vote freely, the only problem is a lot of people in america are ignorant of some of the issues, and a lot don't understand how free they really are. And so we have this "facade" of tyranny, which consequently only helps tyranny to grow.

I'd say America is more free than Australia if only because we don't have to vote, you get fined if you don't

But Freedom is not something that can be measured, either you have it or you don't anything else is just counting beans.

The Real Question is....DRUM ROLL......WHAT COUNTRIES ARE FREE?

And Kim Just don't be one of those girls who say men shouldn't have any choice in it, if a Man doesn't want to the woman to have an abortion, then she shouldn't, unless she was raped or some crap. This whole abortion thing stems from the damn single parent families and such, no one cares any more they just have sex get pregnant abort and move on. There are a few cases where abortion might be warranted, but they are just that...FEW.

I know this is off topic, but I just want to say, I was appaled to see this religious booklette talk about how a single parent family CAN work, yes they can, but most right now are only aiding the collapse of our societies in many ways.

Anyways, hmm Freedom is an invention by "higher" man. I say higher because there is lesser man, higher man, and supreme (superior whatever) man.

Lesser man has no concept of good or evil, he has no concept of freedom, or of the heavens, just what is he going to eat tomorrow.

Higher man, has concepts of everything that is around him, has freedom, has suffering, he has no choices though, because he still lives from day to day. He is free.....but only within the prison of his mind. This is us.

Supreme man, has concepts of everything, he lives for the end, eternity, he does not die in his mind, and there fore does not think about his life only. Supreme man is Free, he is enlightened and there for no tyranny can exist because it is anti-freedom and supreme man can not be "anti-free". So only freedom exists, there are no boundries. Thus there is no greed, and no killing (or taking other's freedoms from eachother) *note, only of other supreme beings though, lesser and higher beings can die if they exhibit anti-freedom* There are no supreme humans as of yet.

So with a brief over-lay of how we can percieve freedoms. Anarchy is the Lesser man, Democracy the Higher man, and leadership the Supreme Man.

We've never seen a government that actually "leads". Only governments that control, or represent. The Freest nation in the universe, would be one where everyone is in a way a leader, and a follower, doing things that doesn't harm the other's freedoms.

I think of JFK when I think of Supreme Human, he's probably the only person to have ever brought ANY nation even CLOSE to supremicy.

Sincerely,
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Yes you're right about Australia FreeMason, I just got a fine in the mail for not voting in State elections.

...I'd say NZ would be up there in any list of Free countries...only coz we're all too mellow to give a toss about suppressing our fellow man...

Originally posted by alien
...I'd say NZ would be up there in any list of Free countries...only coz we're all too mellow to give a toss about suppressing our fellow man...

New Zealand = 6th Australian State

LOL

I'd agree with Alien.When you have to balance freedom with communal security.
Of all the countries I've had the pleasure of working in NZ is well up there.

My point earlier that the most anarchic country must also be the most free was not mean't to be facetious.
There is a primal freedom that must allow us to be the Homo-Sapiens we all are.It is the freedom to survive.That may mean the freedom to commit murder.I recognise that that freedom is at odds with the communal freedom,the well being and prosperity of society.Which is why I also asked how much freedom would any of us sacrifice for communal security.

It seems to me Jb you are advocating a policy of survival of the fittest. Which would predominently be the physically fit. We have only evolved over the last several thousand years by suppressing the animalistic nature of humans. Surely a free society can be defined by the right of someone to do anything they want as long as it doesn't hurt other people. Which is why laws were invented.
I believe the US constitution is an attempt to incorporate basic communal freedoms into a society. Although some of the ammendments are outdated. Specificically the right to bear arms( As this was written when the US was under direct threat of invasion by European Powers ).

I have never advocated the survival of the fittest read again what is written above.I state that I recognise individual freedom is at odds with communal security.
If you want to live like an ant(communism)that is one extreme.Anarchy is the other.Every thing else in between is a compromise.I was simply asking how far individuals want to compromise their freedom.I think that is a valid point and I shouldn't be accused of somehow advocating Eugenics just because I made it.

Hmmm, I disagree JB, individual freedom is tied in to communal freedom...

We are looking at freedom as
"freedom to do something "
But freedom is also "freedom FROM something ...

Freedom from fear, from uncertainty, from homocidal maniacs, etc etc.

So you freedom to kill is curtailed by my right to be free from your predatations ...

If you have to choose between Soloman Islands, or Rhwanda, type freedom, and American / Western democracy type freedom, which would you choose?

If you could vote with your feet then freedom would be shown in the movement of people .. people move towards where they feel free.

NC,You said"freedom to do something"I have defined that as individual freedom.You said"Freedom FROM something"I have defined that as communal security.
Now reread the above and you will find that actually we have said exactly the same thing.

america is by far the freeist nation in the world.

what about holland?

Madagascar.

Originally posted by mad scientist

New Zealand = 6th Australian State

LOL

...you are SOOOO gonna get a whooping if ya ever come over to NZ...

that pretty much sums up the CANADIAN, [size=-4]american relationship. LOL

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Canada? Oh you mean America's Big back yard....

Sincerely,
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