Cat 5 Hurricane in Persian Gulf!!! Weather Wars or Wrath of God???

Originally posted by DYepes
Sorry Stellar, but I am unaware of such a drought that lasted seven years in Florida. Granted I was born in 85, but I distinctively remember rain, and lots of it during my first years of school, 91-92 ish. I honestly find it hard to imagine seven years of drought here.

It lasted from 85' to late 91'/ early 92' so your memory is serving you pretty well here.

Now as far as droughts being a good thing, I did not say that. I merely stated that for nature, it is how the environment rebirths itself.

'Nature' does not care about rebirth or anything related and some types of life has just found better ways to exploit fire/flood damage than others. If we are going to 'manage' nature in our best interest runaway fires are simply not in our best interest and do tremendous damage.

It definetly helps clear overgrowth for new plants and trees.

Why do we need new plants and trees instead of the one's that were there before? If you want to prepare farmland or the like fire is great tool but for 'nature' it's pretty much a disaster life in the region recovers from at some future date.

I merely mentioned it is a cycle that repeats itself often in this part of the country, and many parts of the world.

But cycles do not have to be natural and especially not when we have perfectly good evidence that such strange 'cycles' tends to correspond with the activities of foreign powers. Why are you going out of your way to talk about these phenomenon as if they are in fact well understood?

As far as global warming goes, I am sorry I brought it up.

And so you should be! I understand that people do not want to accept the scale of weather/geophysical engineering that i believe is now possible but i wont accept the denial that the technology is not real. If you have specific objections, the power source or who is doing it and how they are getting away with it, then state them so i can address them as i have in the past.

Stellar

did this hurricane hit any places that the us is currently having problems with i believe we are capable of weather manipulations cause i believe that i have witnessed it and that everyone witnesses it but is un-aware of it the power source propably is the haarp in alska i dont know too much about our magnetic fields but the haarp can bring down the ionosphere and is in close proximity to the arctic circle meanin that it can also have access to the solar energy that comes down over the north pole

Originally posted by justanothergangster

did this hurricane hit any places that the us is currently having problems with i believe we are capable of weather manipulations

Well, it did cause some problems for Gwadar. There's some kind of proxy war going on there. I'm not sure if this storm was aimed at Gwadar or if it was aimed at any particular place at all.



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caused extensive damage to government installations and fishing boats over an arc stretching from Jiwani to Gwadar

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this area is a major shipping port for oil as well as a focal point of midle east and south east asian cooperation what do you think would be the implications of major damage to this area by a storm? ((the nations that need it spend million maybe even billions to repair the area as quickly as possible? un engineers move in to help? or maybe the areas suffer immensely ove oil loss and shipping losses?))

Originally posted by justanothergangster

what do you think would be the implications of major damage to this area by a storm?

I'm not sure what was damaged or how bad it is. But if anyone would spend any money rebuilding there, it would be the Pakistani government with aid from China.

yes and isnt pakistan refusing to take direct action int wazerystan in the northern part of the country where they suspect afghani arms are crossing the border?

Originally posted by justanothergangster

isnt pakistan refusing to take direct action int wazerystan in the northern part of the country

I've never figured out where Musharraf stands in regards to Bin Laden. He made a deal with the Taliban, and he visited Chitral with at least 2,000 troops in July last year. Maybe he said hello to Bin Laden when he was there?

But that's for another thread. This thread is about Cyclone Gonu.

Essen:

I wondered how long it would take someone to notice that

However, since records only go back to 1945 it's also quite possible that a worse storm occurred in 1944

That is still more than 60 years and thus , in my opinion, still something to talk about.

What worries me though is the way the some people believe such storms can be created and controlled by humans, yet can offer no explanation as to how such thing can be done.

What do you mean they can not offer any explanations?

"Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.

A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves."

So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.

DoD News Briefing
Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen

Did you notice the part about the electromagnetic waves? What barrier is there beside the amounts of energy required and why do you not rather ask how such can be generated without much trouble?

And when we suggest it's nonsense we're the ones who are scoffed at! And proof? The fact that there is legislation about using cloud seeding techniques (as happened in Vietnam).

I don't see how cloud seeding can set set off earthquakes but feel free to explain it to me.

Which is a bit like saying that a law on selling viagra proves that a drug that makes you live to be 200 also exists ....

If one does not actually read the legal documents in question i suppose such conclusions can be reached...

Of course, it may all be being done by witchcraft - can anyone prove otherwise?

Well the defense secretary did not claim that witchcraft was involved so neither will i....

Shame those who can make these things can't even be bothered to tell the scientists who are still studying them to find out how nature makes em ....

Shame on the scientist who refuse to read the public documents ( if i can find them.... ) that might discredit some of their theories and believes.

Stellar

Originally posted by StellarX

That is still more than 60 years and thus , in my opinion, still something to talk about.

Agreed.

What worries me though is the way the some people believe such storms can be created and controlled by humans, yet can offer no explanation as to how such thing can be done.

What do you mean they can not offer any explanations?

No scientific, physical, explanation of how it happens.

they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves."

Did you notice the part about the electromagnetic waves? What barrier is there beside the amounts of energy required and why do you not rather ask how such can be generated without much trouble?

But how?

How can an electromagnetic waves alter the climate, or cause earthquakes or volcanic eruptions? I want a geophysical explanation of how it's possible. Then I'll worry about how we actually come up with a method of producing it (preferably without involving the ionosphere which would mean serious constraints in where and when such actions can be carried out, given the nature of what the ionosphere is )

don't see how cloud seeding can set set off earthquakes but feel free to explain it to me.

Neither do I. But that's the only serious, deliberate, weather modification that definitely goes on and which has been used for military purposes (and subsequently banned)

Well the defense secretary did not claim that witchcraft was involved so neither will i....

Ah, but the British were using witchcraft to control the weather for military purposes back in the 16th century!

Not only was John Dee a powerful occultist he was also well known for his ability to work magick on the weather.
The charge is that along with his witch Queen Elizabeth, John Dee and the royal coven raised the storm that defeated the Armada.

pagan.meetup.com...



Just image what we can do now



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Originally posted by Essan
No scientific, physical, explanation of how it happens.

A few clues then?

Although it may sound paradoxical, it is possible for shock waves to be formed with electromagnetic radiation. As a charged particle travels through an insulating medium, it disrupts the local electromagnetic field in the medium. Electrons in the atoms of the medium will be displaced and polarised by the passing field of the charged particle, and photons are emitted as the electrons in the medium restore themselves to equilibrium after the disruption has passed. (In a conductor, the equilibrium can be restored without emitting a photon.) In normal circumstances, these photons destructively interfere with each other and no radiation is detected. However, if the disruption travels faster than the photons themselves travel, as when a charged particle exceeds the speed of light in that medium, the photons constructively interfere and intensify the observed radiation. The result (analogous to a sonic boom) is known as Cherenkov radiation.

en.wikipedia.org...

Radar Becomes A Weapon

Aviation Week & Space Technology September 5, 2005 Pg. 50

Knowledge that radar can produce violent effects on electronic systems is not new. More than 20 years ago, bomber aircraft radars were capable of generating enough concentrated noise jamming to burn out the valve amps (tube amplifiers) in fighters attempting an interception. The emergence over the last few years of the active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, and its ability to provide high average power for appreciable times, makes such electronically destructive devices all the more attractive and effective.

"It's not wise to characterize all AESA radars as potential weapons," says an aerospace industry expert in advanced radars. "Most radars are for defensive purposes only." Also, "one does not need an AESA to turn a radar into a weapon. It can be done with other technologies. High power is required, but beyond that, it's mostly a software issue.

While HPM produces higher peak power, AESA often generates greater average power. That produces different operational and targeting strategies. For example, Raytheon's airport protection system uses infrared sensors to find the target and determine where to focus its beam. It also produces effects at longer range, possibly as much as 100 mi., because it produces powerful pulses of energy. AESA radar has the built-in ability to find and track a target, so it can be held on the target for the necessary additional microseconds needed to create its weapons effect.

Some HPM pulses are designed to be very broadband, covering "many gigahertz" of frequencies, so they are more likely to find any opening or vulnerability in a target, the radar specialist says. AESA radar has a narrower frequency range, but it uses its radar capability to identify a target, search a library for its vulnerable frequencies and then tailor the signal for the specific target.

omega.twoday.net...

Tesla's system can produce a variety of wave propagations, pending the driving apparatus. Tesla believed that his wireless system would be better than most other radio systems because transverse electromagnetic waves (whose behavior depends on its wavelength) would decay as they travelled from the transmitter, making the signals uselessly weak at long distances. Tesla advanced that longitudinal electromagnetic waves (such as those that occur in waves in plasmas) through the medium would be used, as he theorized that they would be practically lossless. His devices can be driven to produce either transverse or longitudinal waves.

Besides his intention to transmit wireless signals of intelligence, he proposed to transmit electric power via electrical conduction through the Earth and the upper atmosphere, as well as in between them both (in the Earth-ionosphere region which is now known as a resonant cavity). This power transmission was to be done not by "hertzian waves", but through standing surface waves. Tesla’s proposed wireless transmitter utilized a resonant transformer to apply a very high voltage of high frequency between the earth and a large elevated conductor, as discussed earlier.

en.wikipedia.org...:Anthony_Appleyard/Tesla's_role_in_the_history_of_radio

So we know that EM waves can do damage at a distance and we know that we have the means to focus such energy at a distance. Do we have a way to efficiently focus enough energy over continental distances?

US researchers have outlined a relatively simple system that could deliver power to devices such as laptop computers or MP3 players without wires.

The concept exploits century-old physics and could work over distances of many metres, the researchers said

The team from MIT is not the first group to suggest wireless energy transfer.

Nineteenth-century physicist and engineer Nikola Tesla experimented with long-range wireless energy transfer, but his most ambitious attempt - the 29m high aerial known as Wardenclyffe Tower, in New York - failed when he ran out of money.

Physics promises wireless power

He lit vacuum tubes wirelessly at both of the New York locations, providing evidence for the potential of wireless power transmission.

en.wikipedia.org...

Could not track down the claim in the officially provided sources thought but i am quite sure that he did manage that feat even back then.

Here we have a press clipping with Khruschev being a typical Russian and caiming that they have a 'new weapon' just a few years before the Cuban missile crisis...

"We have a new weapon, just within the portfolio of our scientists, so to speak, which is so powerful that, if unrestrainedly used, it could wipe out all life on earth. It is a fantastic weapon." Khrushchev, to the Presidium, Jan. 1960

"I'm not looking forward to this trip," Bush said as he toured Alabama and Mississippi and headed for Louisiana. "It's as if the entire Gulf Coast were obliterated by the worst kind of weapon you can imagine," he said.

www.weatherwars.info...

Now Bearden thinks the Kremlin guys may have thought their weapons would have been good enough to force some short range missiles into Cuba but it seems it did not work and they had to back off.

You might not consider Beardens operational history of these weapons as credible but i think the pieces are not hard to put together if one wishes to find a credible explanation for weather phenomenon that we can not currently explain.

www.cheniere.org...

Tell me what you think as i have very many more pieces that might help to flesh out the puzzle if your not seeing a clear picture just yet.

But how? How can an electromagnetic waves alter the climate, or cause earthquakes or volcanic eruptions? I want a geophysical explanation of how it's possible.

The weather is largely the result of the energy flow between the planet and the sun and with the correct and accurate application of energy why should we expect that we can not alter the climate or do the things the defense secretary said were now being done?

Then I'll worry about how we actually come up with a method of producing it (preferably without involving the ionosphere which would mean serious constraints in where and when such actions can be carried out, given the nature of what the ionosphere is

)

The Ionosphere is mostly a mirror that can be charged to apply wireless energy over the horizon.

Neither do I. But that's the only serious, deliberate, weather modification that definitely goes on and which has been used for military purposes (and subsequently banned)

I don't understand the qualification? I am suggesting ( actually Tom Bearden is) that the Russian KGB/FSB are operating a arsenal of direct energy weapons that can transmit and focus energy to any point on, in or above the Earth? The defense secretary says that it's the 'terrorist' but i don't believe one really builds 2 billion dollar submarines to land special forces on beaches so they may catch terrorist. I also don't think 'terrorist' operates air superiority figthers that requires F-22's to deal with...

Ah, but the British were using witchcraft to control the weather for military purposes back in the 16th century!

Just image what we can do now

Oh i can easily imagine some of the things we are doing now considering what apparently already required treaties to 'deal with' in 1976.

www.sunshine-project.org...

Interesting that said treaty were agreed to in the same year as that devastating earthquake in China. Warning shot to the show the US what could and would happen if they attempted to act against the USSR?

The Russian Woodpecker was a notorious Soviet signal that could be heard on the shortwave radio bands worldwide between July 1976 and December 1989. It sounded like a sharp, repetitive tapping noise, at 10 Hz, giving rise to the "Woodpecker" name. The random frequency hops disrupted legitimate broadcast, amateur radio, and utility transmissions and resulted in thousands of complaints by many countries worldwide.

en.wikipedia.org...

The woodpecker system started up in July 1976 but the following may in fact just be one of those 'coincidences' one will have to believe in for lack of alternatives...

28 July 1976

"Just before the first tremor at 3:42 am, the sky lit up like daylight. The multi-hued lights, mainly white and red, were seen up to 200 miles away. Leaves on many trees were burned to a crisp and growing vegetables were scorched on one side, as if by a fireball."

Some New Details on China's Quake

1976: Chinese earthquake kills hundreds of thousands
Hundreds of thousands of people are feared dead following an 8.3 magnitude earthquake in China.

The quake has virtually destroyed the city of Tangshan, north-east of Beijing, and Western sources believe the death toll may be much higher than the official figure of 240,000. Some believe the figure is more like 750,000.

The force of the quake has been so strong that people are reported to have been thrown into the air after roads, bridges, railway stations, homes and factories were completely destroyed.

The quake has also knocked out power throughout the city, making rescue efforts difficult

news.bbc.co.uk...

The earthquake occurred directly under Tangshan at a depth of 8km (5 miles).

A magnitude 7.1 aftershock 15 hours later caused further destruction and killed many people trapped in collapsed buildings.

news.bbc.co.uk...

So what shuts down power , throws people into the air, phyiscally burns things on one side and have lighting effects?

I have another interesting example

There is another possible - if wildly improbable - cause of the mysterious event at Tunguska in 1908 (7 September, p 14). One of Nikola Tesla's great projects was the wireless transformation of energy over large distances. He believed that this could be harnessed in war to destroy incoming attacks from over 300 kilometres away.

Tesla built his "death ray" at Wardencliffe on Long Island, and it is a possible that he tested it one night in 1908. The story goes something like this. At the time, Robert Peary was trekking to the North Pole and Tesla asked him to look out for unusual activity. On the evening of 30 June 1908, Tesla aimed his death ray towards the Arctic and turned it on. Tesla then watched the newspapers and sent telegrams to Peary, but heard about nothing unusual in the Arctic.

However, he did hear about the unexplainable event in Tunguska, and was thankful no one was killed, as it was clear to him that his death ray had overshot. He then dismantled his machine, as he felt it was too dangerous to keep it. See www.parascope.com/en/1096/tesdeth.htm for the full story.

www.newscientist.com...

The night preceding the earthquake, July 27-28, many people reported seeing strange lights as well as loud sounds. The lights were seen in a multitude of hues. Some people saw flashes of light; others witnessed fireballs flying across the sky. Loud, roaring noises followed the lights and fireballs. Workers at the Tangshan airport described the noises as louder than that of an airplane.2

history1900s.about.com...

The explosion registered on seismic stations across Eurasia, measuring 5.0 on the Richter scale in some areas, and produced fluctuations in atmospheric pressure strong enough to be detected by the recently invented barographs in Britain. Over the next few weeks, night skies were aglow such that one could read in their light, sometimes called "bright nights." In the United States, the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory and the Mount Wilson Observatory observed a decrease in atmospheric transparency that lasted for several months.

Blast patterns

The curious effect of the Tunguska explosion on the trees near ground zero was replicated during atmospheric nuclear tests in the 1950s and 1960s. These effects are caused by the shock wave produced by large explosions. The trees directly below the explosion are stripped as the blast wave moves vertically downward, while trees further away are felled because the blast wave is travelling closer to the horizontal when it reaches them.

Soviet experiments performed in the mid-1960s, with model forests (made of matches) and small explosive charges slid downward on wires, produced butterfly-shaped blast patterns strikingly similar to the pattern found at the Tunguska site. The experiments suggested that the object had approached at an angle of roughly 30 degrees from the ground and 115 degrees from north and had exploded in mid-air.

en.wikipedia.org...

Shades of HAARP back in 1908? You would have noted the strange lights in the sky in both instances and maybe remember reading about the things Tesla predicted would happen on the recieving end of destructively applied wireless energy? I am too tired to go look for that link so use that google...

Well you know what i think about all this information but lets hear what you have to say.

Stellar

Other explanations exist for Tunguska And I'm sure too for the reports from that Chinese earthquake. However, I'm off on holiday soon and don't have time now to do a full response. Sorry.

However, as a parting thought for now: most of the evidence for such use of HAARP comes from military sources - and the military do have reasons for wanting to scare people into thinking such super weapons exist. Maybe the conspiracy isn't quite what some think?

(incidently, I would think it unlikely that such a well known and public facility as HAARP would be used for such purposes - rather, a secret facility would be constructed where the public can't so readily monitor its use.)

Originally posted by Essan
Other explanations exist for Tunguska

Sure. There is no way i can prove this amazing set of coincidences are in fact not just coincidences.

And I'm sure too for the reports from that Chinese earthquake.

Sure! All this interesting coincidences that does not prove anything!

However, I'm off on holiday soon and don't have time now to do a full response. Sorry.

You can't really change my mind as it's seen what it needs to reach the conclusions that fits the evidence. I hope you have a good vacation and i am 100% sure we will run into each other again somewhere on this great forum.

However, as a parting thought for now: most of the evidence for such use of HAARP comes from military sources - and the military do have reasons for wanting to scare people into thinking such super weapons exist. Maybe the conspiracy isn't quite what some think?

But these things are being observed and people are dying by the hundreds of thousands and that is not a question of opinion. Sure this could be a exceedingly clever ploy to fool me into thinking HAARP is very powerful but i did not fall for it as i believe the Russians have dozens of these systems that are far more powerful.

(incidently, I would think it unlikely that such a well known and public facility as HAARP would be used for such purposes - rather, a secret facility would be constructed where the public can't so readily monitor its use.)

And i did not think the US administration would tell such blatant lies about the Iraqi WOMD's but apparently they did and here we are. HAARP is but a small version of far deadlier Russian technologies and i guess i can agree that in that way it is in fact a distraction.

Stellar

Also the reason they're called typhoons is because they spin in the opposite directions from hurricanes,

Typhoons = Counter-Clockwise
Hurricanes = Clockwise

Originally posted by Where2Hide2006


Whens the last time you heard a CAT 5 Huricane in the Middle East? Is this just a sign of global warming, the wrath of god, or something more sinister, like Weather Modification???

In any event OIL prices are going to skyrocket.

Nothing unusual here, tropical storms have been known to occur in this area, although they arent very frequent