well, I already signed up to oppose this. NO to all forms of illegal alien status. This needs to be stopped.

I encourage everyone who reads this thread to take the take time use that congress dot-com link to express your point of view to the powers-that-be in D.C. regarding this bill. It's still just a bill, so it can be influenced. If just ten thousand ATS members did this, you might shock the socks off somebody in a high place.

I second the motion, JO. That was what I did, and it only takes a moment. I also flagged this thread, and hope a lot more people do the same.

Being active in the fight is not hard at all.

Personally I support this bill.

As long as they are tax paying citizens working, I could honestly care less how they came here.


Considering the conditions that they are faced with in their own respective countries,
it would be immoral and unethical of me to want to send them back if they are willing
to be productive members of society.

[edit on 6/4/2007 by iori_komei]

Originally posted by iori_komei

As long as they are tax paying citizens working, I could honestly care less how they came here.

I'm really hoping this is a typo or oversight.

Originally posted by KrazyJethro

Originally posted by iori_komei

As long as they are tax paying citizens working, I could honestly care less how they came here.

I'm really hoping this is a typo or oversight.

I mean them becoming taxpaying working citizens, instead of being illegal immigrants who
are abused by those who know they can take advantage of them.

Originally posted by iori_komei
Personally I support this bill.

As long as they are tax paying citizens working, I could honestly care less how they came here.


Considering the conditions that they are faced with in their own respective countries,
it would be immoral and unethical of me to want to send them back if they are willing
to be productive members of society.

[edit on 6/4/2007 by iori_komei]

I am against this bill. It rewards unethical and immoral behavior.

Pressure should be put on their own governments to improve conditions there. Instead, by taking in all their unwanted people, all we are doing is rewarding them by leaving more spoils for them to divide among themselves.

The only bill I will support is one that denies them social services.

I took a friend of mine once to get her WIC (Women Infant Children) checks from the local social services office, and we were the only people in the room that spoke English. Everyone else was speaking Spanish. I asked the receptionist if they checked social security numbers... much to my dismay they did not.

Let them stay... there's no practical way to kick them out. But rip their vermin mouths from our generous teats.

That will be the only bill that actually works. There's no need to build a fence if we take away what they come for. Most of them come for work and to leech off welfare. Deny them both and they'll stop coming.

apc,
that is a very good life experience you posted, and some good points. thank you.
Do you mind if I copy what you said and send it to the politiciens?

I am not going to devolve into name calling here. I don't think that is right.

I will say one thing though. The only part of the bill that I support are the measures in it to secure our national borders. All of the rest of it should be stripped from the bill. Look, I realize that it would be quite a feat to round up 12-15 million people, and even if we could, I don't know that I would support it.

As I have said repeatedly, this issue goes way beyond Mexico, as far as I am concerned. Our open borders is a national security risk and our government knows it. It is basically an open invitation for any extremist with a bomb to enter our nation.

John McCain summed up what this whole immigration issue is about when he stated, and I am paraphrasing, that unless they addressed it, they couldn't hope to get the Hispanic vote.

This is not about sympathy and it certainly isn't about national security, it's about getting votes, winning a freaking popularity contest.

Until they come up with an honest bill with the welfare of the nation, rather than personal gain, on their minds, the American citizenry will never support it.

I've thought about this problem since 9-11, although that was the day I stepped out of my slumber on many things.

I've come to the conclusion that booting them is a poor idea, and know that the entire debate is framed incorrectly (I believe on purpose).

What is the REAL problem with them coming here undocumented? In fact, it hasn't really been a problem that ANYONE is undocumented (citizen or not) until the past 70 years or so.

The problem is not the immigrants so much, but rather the social control we have placed that create problems like this one here. So, here is a way to remove this from even being a problem.

1) Remove minimum wage.

2) Remove SS, Welfare, medicaid and medicare over a reasonable period.

3) Remove income tax

4) Secure the border, but provide entry points that allow for far greater immigrants to come in since it's obvious the demand is there.

5) Anyone not a citizen that commits a felony gets deported and can not return.

Done and Done!!!
Here's mine:

I AGREE with the tenets set forth in the "BORDER SECURITY", "WORKPLACE ENFORCEMENT" sections and the ammendments.

I DISAGREE with the propositions in "CURRENT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS", "GUEST WORKERS" and "FUTURE IMMIGRANTS"

WITH THE CURRENT STATE OF WORLDWIDE TERRORISM WE SHOULD BE TIGHTENING OUR BORDERS, NOT MAKING IT EASIER OR ENCOURAGING CRIMINALS TO BECOME NATIONALS!!!

Americans are already feeling the degradation of Traditional American Values by a massive influx of illegals unwilling to assimilate and BECOME AMERICANS!

The disregard for the overwhelming dissatisfaction of middle America is truely a saddening state of affairs.

RESTRICT IMMIGRATION AND TIGHTEN OUR BORDERS NOW!!!

The insinuation that "There are certain jobs Americans won't do" is an insulting an appalling urban myth propagated by those who benefit from a cheap, unrepresented, undocumented labor force.
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I've had the radio on a lot today. I've heard several Congressional reps saying that they are getting a lot of e-mails, phone calls, and snail mail. Most of it is proving to be thoughtfully presented with rational arguments. All that input is having its effect. The kids on Capitol Hill are not stupid. They know that anyone who writes in to them is likely to remember what went down later when ot comes time to go and vote. I encourage all of you to keep up the pressure. Love it or hate it, you know what you want. use your voice while you've still got it.