Illinois Students Denied Diplomas Over Cheering

I'm glad they did something like this, it's ridiculous how much we have to put up with the "ghetto" folks being crazy no matter where they are in public. Act civilized for Christ's sake! Why do they have to take EVERYTHING to the extreme? Violence, music, celebration.. they have to test the limits of it all, and there's nothing these assholes won't spoil because of their attitude. It's BS and I'm sick of them playing the race card when someone tells them to STFU, they should be ashamed of how they're portraying their race.

It's only ironic that when you graduate from an institute that render some people into robots that when they receive their diplomas they must act like robots or else they fail to pass the true test of becoming a robot and therefor denied the diploma that indicates robot transformation.

Ah the irony :0

The school could have come up with far more effective methods, such as limiting each graduate to only two guests, which are quite easy to escort out via the police if they cause a problem. The guests are the problem, not the student yet they penalize the ones who didn't do anything wrong and that no matter how you slice it is just retarded. To me this is just one more case of a lack of personal responsibility, except this time its being shifted from the parents who were likely the problem to the children who have precisely 0 real control over their parents; they can ask and plead all they want but unless they have a remote control that will put them on mute till an appropriate time to celebrate then there isn't much they can do.

If the school was really having such serious problems, why didn't they simply allow for cheering between each students presentation?

Simply wait until the noise has subsided until calling the next student.

You could even have the student say a few words and then proceed to call the nexts student's name to make sure they all shut up.

Originally posted by BrokenVisage
I'm sick of them playing the race card when someone tells them to STFU, they should be ashamed of how they're portraying their race.

I have to agree with this.
There is really nothing wrong with cheering and being proud of the graduates, but some people take it so far its shameful. Screaming and jumping and chicken strutting around is just NOT ok......the line has to be drawn somewhere on the side of DIGNITY.

Originally posted by seenitall
If the school was really having such serious problems, why didn't they simply allow for cheering between each students presentation?

Simply wait until the noise has subsided until calling the next student.

You could even have the student say a few words and then proceed to call the nexts student's name to make sure they all shut up.

Because some of these inner city schools are huge. My high school class had 230 students in it. My cousin’s class from Boardman OH had 1200 seniors. It took 3 to 4 hours to get through everyone. If people are cheering or students get a speech it would have been a 10-hour graduation service.

Ah, fair enough. 1200 is damn huge.

Strutting around like chickens? What do these people think they are at a sporting event or something?

Madness if you ask me but the penalty should be on the parents. There is no way I would bust my arse at Uni for 3 years only to be told that I can't have my degree because my family were too loud. Extremely unfair and I'm sure whoever has been denied their diploma will recieve it in short order.

If not, well then the world has gotten crazier than what I thought was ever possible.

Just to mention I attended a high school graduation last night. We cheered as the seniors entered; clapped politely after each speech and we then cheered each senior as they received their diploma; the school paused between each kid. We then cheered during the slide show and as they exited. It was easy to do this as we had actually a large class for that school of 28 seniors. That being said we are a small school (private Catholic) so we are able to do more then a large school. I'm attending the public high school next Friday and my understanding is the school is asking guests to hold the applause til the end as they have430 graduates which I can understand; if we cheered there like we did last night the ceremony would last several hours longer instead of the three it is scheduled to last.

Still holding the student responsible for the parents action is just plain wrong; there must be a better way to handle this. Removing the disruptive parents comes to mind.

I am so dissapointed at some of you. Since when is cheering "ghetto" in America?
That is propostrous.

I feel bad for us as a nation and so many of you are conditioned .....:shk:

Its just a darn shame.

:shk:

Originally posted by dgtempe
I am so dissapointed at some of you. Since when is cheering "ghetto" in America?
That is propostrous.

I feel bad for us as a nation and so many of you are conditioned .....:shk:

Its just a darn shame.

:shk:

dg; hi there. What I think some of the posters are saying is loud disruptive cheering shouldn't happen tho I must agree referring to something as ghetto cheering seems odd. I must have lead a sheltered life because I really don't know what that means. I think there should be decorum mixed in with the joy of the occasion. But for the record could some one please tell me what "ghetto cheering" actually is?

I dont agree that this student should be repremanded for the actions of her obviously unintelligent relatives. It *is* and important event. It is meant to be very formal. And to keep things dignified, the school took actions that were unorthodox; they had everyone sign an "agreement" that clearly stated the rules. Repeat: Agreement.

If these fools went along with the agreement, then it falls on them for either A) not reading the damn agreement, or B) reading it, and then not following through with what they agreed to.

If we can just break agreements we make and not follow through with, then let me see....I can just not pay my house payment. I can not pay my car payment. I can break all the promises made to my son. What does that make me look like? A liar.

And thats another thing. Did these parents not respect their children enough by making the promise to the school, and therefore to the child themselves - to behave appropriately so their child could recieve their diploma? One of the most important documents one can have?

About the NWO............if the NWOs plan is to bring some decorum to ceremonies in some town in Illinois(im from there, ive been to gailsburg), if they are THAT concerned with it, then bring it on. Time for most people to start owning up to thier commitments, and acting like a civilized society, not a bunch of buffoons.

If THEY are behind it, I have little to fear. Such micro management of affairs leads to destruction of any endeavor. If they run it like that then they are powerless...

Notice even the ACLU wont touch it.....they have better things to do than acknowledge idiocy.

If I had to sign such an agreement and was in disagreement, I would simply explain it to my child why, ask his opinion on it of course, and if we agreed to it follow through with it. If not, I wouldnt sign it, and then my son could go by himself without me there if he wanted, or, he could not go and we could have our own celebration with hooting and hollering, and countless screams.....but then again, I dont have a problem maintaining decorum. Im sure the last thing my son would want is me yelling "you da man" from the center row.....he would rather I shake his hand afterwards...like men do when they show they are proud and respect them for their accomplishments.

Originally posted by dgtempe

I feel bad for us as a nation and so many of you are conditioned .....:shk:

Its just a darn shame.

Why is it "conditioned" to act respectful toward other people in a dignified setting?

I definitely do NOT agree with this.

Yes, I do agree that if you sign a contract in which you aren't allowed to cheer, you shouldn't cheer... but the student isn't the one cheering, and they don't have a remote control to mute the audience

How is the student up on stage supposed to control the audience? They can't.

The student isn't responsible for the audiences actions. Remove those who are violating the agreement... DON'T PENALIZE THE STUDENT!

Originally posted by zerotime

Originally posted by dgtempe

I feel bad for us as a nation and so many of you are conditioned .....:shk:

Its just a darn shame.

Why is it "conditioned" to act respectful toward other people in a dignified setting?

Why? Because from what i can see in this thread cheering is something "ghetto" ......Since when is there a code of ethics when it comes to cheering?
Pluh eeeeeze.
There's so much more to worry about in this world, now we're going to pick on those who can actually have a good time?

Originally posted by johnsky
I definitely do NOT agree with this.

Yes, I do agree that if you sign a contract in which you aren't allowed to cheer, you shouldn't cheer... but the student isn't the one cheering, and they don't have a remote control to mute the audience

No kidding!

Worry about other things for the love of Pete. This is ridiculous.

One more way to reduce civil liberties. Bush would be proud.

[edit on 06/2/2007 by tjshultz]

Originally posted by Kamikaze X
I think the action that the school took was perfectly acceptable due to the history of the event. Parents would cheer ridiculously loud even to the point that parents couldn't hear their kids name get called. They also signed a contract before the ceremony saying that they wouldn't cheer until everyone was called and if they didn't abide by that rule they would have their diploma held. They knew the the rules but didn't follow them now they gotta face the consequences...boo hoo!

what if you don't like that person coming across the stage so you choose purposely to cheer and yell as loud as you possibly can to screw over the person that you don't like? Maybe the shcool should address the "wildness" issue before these people every get to the point of graduation. maybe they should start with new methods from day 1 instead of waiting for the last Day that they are students.

Originally posted by LooseLipsSinkShips

Originally posted by Kamikaze X
I think the action that the school took was perfectly acceptable due to the history of the event. Parents would cheer ridiculously loud even to the point that parents couldn't hear their kids name get called. They also signed a contract before the ceremony saying that they wouldn't cheer until everyone was called and if they didn't abide by that rule they would have their diploma held. They knew the the rules but didn't follow them now they gotta face the consequences...boo hoo!

what if you don't like that person coming across the stage so you choose purposely to cheer and yell as loud as you possibly can to screw over the person that you don't like? Maybe the shcool should address the "wildness" issue before these people every get to the point of graduation. maybe they should start with new methods from day 1 instead of waiting for the last Day that they are students.

They signed contracts stating that they wouldn't yell obnoxiously until the very end so it's not like the school just sprung this on them out of nowhere. Ontop of that if your family wasn't the ones that cheered I'm pretty sure you could appeal I don't see why you couldn't. All in all though it just stops you from receiving the physical diploma until you do community service it's not like it voids your 4 years.

Originally posted by dgtempe

Originally posted by zerotime

Originally posted by dgtempe

I feel bad for us as a nation and so many of you are conditioned .....:shk:

Its just a darn shame.

Why is it "conditioned" to act respectful toward other people in a dignified setting?

Why? Because from what i can see in this thread cheering is something "ghetto"

......Since when is there a code of ethics when it comes to cheering?
Pluh eeeeeze.
There's so much more to worry about in this world, now we're going to pick on those who can actually have a good time?

Cheering is the verb, ghetto is the adjective when you put them together you get ghetto cheering or cheering in a ghetto manner. No one is saying cheering is "ghetto" because it's not. But to say that you can't cheer in a ghetto manner is just being delusional. Oh and don't bring up that sheltered garbage because I'm from the Eastside Long Beach, I've seen ghetto people first hand all my life so I know how disturbing and inconsiderate they can be.

[edit on 6/3/07 by Kamikaze X]

Originally posted by Kamikaze X
I think the action that the school took was perfectly acceptable due to the history of the event. Parents would cheer ridiculously loud even to the point that parents couldn't hear their kids name get called. They also signed a contract before the ceremony saying that they wouldn't cheer until everyone was called and if they didn't abide by that rule they would have their diploma held. They knew the the rules but didn't follow them now they gotta face the consequences...boo hoo!

Why should the student be punished for the actions of her parents?

Like I said once before, they both signed contracts and knew the rules...it's too late to protest now. You don't sign a contract then contest the stipulations after.