posted on Jun, 1 2007 @ 10:11 PM
It really is difficult to say what exactly would happen. Personally I think that
DarkStormCrow may be on to something. There's a good chance that the US would split into different nations for a time, although I can imagine that
eventually the US would reunite, it's part of our culture to remain united. Just a matter of how long, and it's entirely possible that it would be
like how the US was in the early days. Mostly just a loose confederation of state governments with a weak federal government, kind of the opposite of
I can imagine that New England would be it's own nation, and probably the best off depending on the circumstances. If this were a nuclear scenario
they might not be too well off, but assuming the infrastructure was there New England would be very successful. This due to the fact that several
major cities are already there. However I can almost guarantee fighting with the southern states of the Washington D.C. area. Another possibility is
that NATO would take control of this area in an effort to get the US back on it's feet. It'd be downright ironic once the British forces came
ashore (nothing against our British friends of course, we still love you guys). Although I'm not entirely sure the state of Vermont would be too
happy about NATO occupying the area. My bets on capitals are Boston and New York.
It's almost certain that the Confederacy would rise again if the US federal government were to fall. I'm guessing it would essentially be the
Confederacy of our civil war, only it'd probably stop at the Mississippi river. Assuming that the US military wasn't decimated in the catastrophe
that brought down the federal government, I can tell for certain that the Confederacy would inherit a lot and would thus be extremely powerful. I
could easily imagine Richmond or Atlanta as the capital of this new confederacy.
The Washington D.C. area would certainly be one of intense conflict between the north and the south. Sure there's the possibility of a peaceful
agreement being worked out, but I can easily see the pride of each side preventing such a thing. It's a difficult call as to who would win. On the
northern side we'd probably see NATO support, on the southern side we'd see a very substantial amount of US military hardware and manpower being
inherited. Essentially it'd be a strong portion of the US military vs. a smaller portion and NATO forces.
The Midwest and great plains would probably end up as a pretty moderate conservative state of immense agricultural power. In terms of industry still
left in the US, and farmland, the Midwest could quite possibly be the economic powerhouse of the new America. In terms of military power, my bets are
on significant conventional power overall, but wouldn't be nearly as much as some of the others when you take military unit per acre into acount.
Thus it's very possible that the Midwest would be stretched thin in a defensive war. With access to the Mississippi and the Atlantic via the Great
Lakes, I can imagine the Midwest being the top dog in the economy. My bets are on a strong alliance with Canada for support, and almost certainly
Chicago as capital.
The Southwest would probably come under immediate attack by Mexico. Los Angeles and San Diego would probably become some of the hottest urban combat
zones in history, quite possibly making Baghdad look like nothing. Although to be honest I can't really imagine Mexico accomplishing a complete
victory. In the end it comes down to how all the immigrants down there feel, but I can imagine that many of them are fed up with the Mexican
government enough to want to support their new homeland. Hopefully. I can see California possibly putting up a successful defense and becoming
either an independent state until splitting in half. I figure California would probably split somewhere just south of San Francisco. The northern
half merging with the rest of the Pacific Northwest and the Southern half remaining with the southwest if Mexico is completely defeated.
No doubt that Texas would be invaded along with the rest of the southwest, yet I can see Texas winning. Let's face it, it'd take a ton of military
support to successfully invade, much less occupy Texas. More military power than Mexico has, a lot more. My bets are on Texas becoming an
independent nation of it's own right with a ton of military and significant economic power.
The Pacific Northwest I can see as being a pretty laid back liberal nation. Economically it'd probably do fairly well, but it'd lack a lot of
military power. This could either be good as they'll either not need a military at all, or bad because of a possible Chinese or Russian invasion.
If not then good for them, I can even see a possible induction into Canada, a strong alliance at the least.
Then of course there's Alaska, Hawaii, and those other Pacific territories.. I figure that Hawaii and the rest of the Pacific will either go
independent, or become the property of either Japan (I'll explain that later) or China. Or the third possibility that NATO will request that
Australia and New Zealand take good care of our Pacific territories until things get worked out. Alaska I really doubt would keep independence for
long. I figure that they'll either join in with Canada, or Russia will take it. It really all comes down to how much NATO is willing to try and
keep under control. At this point NATO is going to be stretched thin, yet they can't deny the massive oil supplies. Of course with that oil it just
means that everyone will want a piece, thus making it possible that Alaska will be a significant conflict zone.
Finally there's going to be a significant impact on world affairs. Without the US it's going to be a power vacuum, which will probably lead to the
rise of three major powers. Russia, China, and the European Union (operating under NATO early on before the EU militarizes).
I can imagine that Japan is going to definably militarize if the US goes under. The only reason they keep their military the size it does
(considering their proximity to China and N. Korea) is because they've got the US protecting them. With the US they'll almost surely have to amend
the constitution and begin a buildup of military forces, possibly even going imperial again (hence my earlier prediction of a possible invasion of
Overall this has been an extremely thought provoking thread and I'll continue to ponder the idea.