What does "Shared Prosperity" mean to you?

Mrs. Bill Clinton is at it again. At a recent speech in Boston, she went off on a Socialist rant.

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Presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton outlined a broad economic vision Tuesday, saying it's time to replace an "on your own" society with one based on shared responsibility and prosperity.

What is wrong with a "on your own" society? You work hard for yourself and your family and you get ahead in life.

I think a liberals view of "Shared Prosperity" is that a few make all the money and should share the wealth.

My view of "Shared Prosperity" is you work hard and prosper so you can take care of someone else who happened to drop out of school, abused drugs, drank too much, or maybe gambled away all his earnings.

With Barack Hussein Obama recently announcing his Tax the Rich Healthcare reform and Mrs. Bill Clinton wanting "Shared Prosperity", we are getting very close to becoming a Socialist country. They need to be called out on this, and they need to be stopped!

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[edit on 3-6-2007 by chissler]

What does "Shared Prosperity" mean to you?

Three words.

Tax and spend.

That's been the Democrat philosophy for some seventy years or more.

One word.

Socialism.

Nothing new here.


[edit on 2007/5/31 by GradyPhilpott]

Well here is my take.
I don't support penalizing high income earners for there success with higher tax rates nor do I support the brand of corporate socialism that the US has embraced whole hearty. A degree of regulation is required to ensure that the Free Market can do its job without a degree of oversight and regulation there is nothing to stop monopoly(s) and anti competitive practices.

Hmm. Shared prosperity. Hmm....

Sounds an awful lot like communism, to me.

Meh,
Lex

ummm.....shared prosperity....

well, it means that if a group of people, all working together, produce a beneficial outcome, they should all share the benefits of their labors.

so, if you are talking about the US, I guess it would mean that we would all share the benefits of our endeavor, or if we are talking financial...the liabilities, since the US is really in debt bigtime...

if you are talking about a company or corporation, well, it means that all the employees should be sharing sharing the profits that are produced...if the company is doing well, so shouldn't it's employees.....ALL OF THEM.... ya some a little more than others. but still they all should see some gain when increased profits occur.

if you are talking about a family unit, well, all in the family should be able to enjoy the benefits of the labor produced by the family..

the problem with what is happening now, is that there's alot of people working hard, but then at the end of the day, their labor isn't valued enough to keep the alive even, let alone allow them to share in any prosperity. It isn't so much how hard you work, since well, if that was the case, many of your minimum wage earners would be earning boatloads of money. It's more about how financially well off you were to start out, gender still plays a role, do you have a piece of paper from an accredited university, and of course, who do you know???

hard work.....Work is simply the application of a force over a distance...burns calories!! look at the pictures of some of the top earners in this country...it's obvious that they haven't burned that many calories in their lives...

Originally posted by dawnstar

It's more about how financially well off you were to start out

I beg to differ.

My grandfather was a sharecropper in Ga. Poor as poor can get.

My father joined the Navy to get out of that situation.

He has a 20 yr pension from the Navy. Retired from there at age 39.

At age 55, he retired completely and does as he wishes.

From having absolutely nothing, my dad is now quite well off.

Did anyone "share" their wealth with him ? Hell no, he EARNED it .
Neat concept, huh ? Earning wealth.

If you're so hip to communism, I hear Cuba needs workers.

As for me, I'm going to do as my idol inspired me to do. Continue
earning my way through this life.

Regards,
Lex

'Shared prosperity?' Right..that must be a commie concept. Just like 'trickle-down economics'...that was another noted commie came up with that, right?

Originally posted by Lexion
Originally posted by dawnstar

It's more about how financially well off you were to start out

I beg to differ.

My grandfather was a sharecropper in Ga. Poor as poor can get.

My father joined the Navy to get out of that situation.

He has a 20 yr pension from the Navy. Retired from there at age 39.

At age 55, he retired completely and does as he wishes.

From having absolutely nothing, my dad is now quite well off.

Did anyone "share" their wealth with him ? Hell no, he EARNED it .
Neat concept, huh ? Earning wealth.

If you're so hip to communism, I hear Cuba needs workers.

As for me, I'm going to do as my idol inspired me to do. Continue
earning my way through this life.

Regards,
Lex

well.....of all the government employees out there, those that serve in the armed forces are the most deserving of the special benefits enjoyed...like nice retirement packages....

that being said...it happens to be taxpayer money paying that nice pension doesn't it? ya know, I know a couple of those taxpayers, they work at the plant I do. We celebrated one's 80th anniversary this past month!! There is about four employees in the place well into their 80's still working, guess they failed to develop a taste for pet food or something. They work because they have to...they are the taxpayer...giving their hard earned money so those that our government deems as "worthy" can provided a living that they will never enjoy--with their money!

the people worked hard all their lives...can you prove your grandfather worked harder, or is it more that he chose a government job over one in the private sector....



[edit on 3-6-2007 by dawnstar]

Originally posted by dawnstar

out there, those that serve in the armed forces are the most deserving of the special benefits enjoyed...like nice retirement packages...

Ok. You think he bought a 600k motorhome off his pension ??
Please.

He invested. He had his own business. He EARNED his money.

And, those "retirement" packages aren't so great. Beneficial, yes.
Great ? Not really.

Regards,
Lex

Edit to add :

Originally posted by dawnstar

can you prove your grandfather worked harder

Actually, my grandfather used suicide as an outlet, because he felt he
wasn't able to provide for his family properly.

And, look up ShareCropper. It's basically paid slavery.

Did my dad, and my aunts, uncles and grandmother work harder ?

Goddamn right they did. And, they EARNED their money.

If you want to question my family and it's history, U2U me, please.

Regards,
Lex






[edit on 3-6-2007 by Lexion]

my brother is retired navy....his pension meets his needs, far from what social security will do for these employees I am talking about.

Originally posted by dawnstar

far from what social security will do for these employees I am talking about.

Have they invested at all ? Have a savings account, at the very least ?

People that just skate through life, with no plan for the future deserve
what they get.

People that plan for the future, deserve what they have EARNED.

Communism produces two distinct classes. The wealthy, and the poor.

I'm not sure about your vision of your own future, but I'm sure as Hell not going to just give up my savings and investments to "assist" some that
have no vision of what their future may hold.

And, Social Security ??

Anyone over the age of 25 should know not to rely on that.

Regards,
Lex

my friend, half their lives were gone by the time legislation was passed making it illegal to discriminate against them because they were women....
I wouldn't expect miracles....
I believe that gender was included in my list of things that would help one be considered "worthy" to share in this prosperity, didn't I?

Originally posted by dawnstar

my friend, half their lives were gone by the time legislation was passed making it illegal to discriminate against them because they were women....
I wouldn't expect miracles....
I believe that gender was included in my list of things that would help one be considered "worthy" to share in this prosperity, didn't I?

Wha ?

Please clarify what you are talking about.

Thanks,
Lex

well, in my lifetime, I've been paid lower wages because I was a women, and when times got bad, was denied decent employment, because, well, I had a husband taking care of me, as long as a man applied for the same job, well, they got it...

and this is with laws forbidding gender discrimination....these ladies went through half their lives, living in the south, working without these laws protecting them.....society dictated that their husbands take care of them, as well as plan for the future. so don't blame them if the planning wasn't that good....

I'm just trying to prove the point, hard work has very little to do with it. That's just the great lie told to the masses. if you want to share in the prosperity, well, work smart, not hard. solve problems, don't accept them, and make the right friends, not the wrong enemies...then maybe...
but hard work has very little to do with it.

Dawn,
Hard work has everything to do with it.

I still pull wrenches.

Do I HAVE to ? No.

I truly love what I do.

dawnstar

and make the right friends, not the wrong enemies...then maybe...

Kissing ass rarely works. And when it does, it never lasts.

If you think hard work has "very little" to do with it, by all means,
get on welfare. My tax dollars are available.

Regards,
Lex

well, let's see....

I've been in the printing business for 5 years...I think I am rather good at what I do, my present employer has developed the tendancy of giving me the more difficult work...

my son is about four months into his first job....he's making close to $3 an hours more than me.

my eldest son has about a year and half of retail experience....he's making as much as my youngest son.

my husband...the one who has been the primary earning all these years....he's making double my wage....

as far as how hard with each work...excluding the responsibilities I have in the home??
my youngest and me probably work the hardest, then my oldest son, and well....my husband......lol....lol.....he susposedly works 4 10 hours days, and then sometimes on friday.. Only many weeks he doesn't work those 10 hours days. but he still gets paid for them. then well, if he doesn't work them but works friday, well he still get paid overtime for working friday. I wish I had his boss....lol....

but, if you throw in the extra work I do within the house, I spend more hours working, work harder, and get paid the least.....

I stand by what I say.....work smarter, find easier ways to do your job more efficiently, network with the right people, help solve the problems that present themselves. then maybe. but the hardest working people out there, mothers, do tend to make the least amount of money.

and I am not fond of the social service system, no where I have even alluded to that. look at what I posted... But I'll tell you something, having so many jobs that don't pay enough to keep one person living, let alone a family will lead to one of two things...either a socialist society, or alot of dead people.. the capitalistic, profit is everything, no matter the cost, attitude is contributing to bringing on a socialist society just a much as any democratic agenda! and it's benefitting from it.

[edit on 3-6-2007 by dawnstar]

Originally posted by dawnstar

the capitalistic, profit is everything, no matter the cost, attitude is contributing to bringing on a socialist society just a much as any democratic agenda! and it's benefitting from it.

Aww, you're jealous. Pity.

Lex

not really....but, my experience does tell me that their is more than just "hard work" at play here. and the capitalistic agenda of raking in the profits does profit from the social service system....no matter how those who claim to support it pretend to hate socialism.

[edit on 3-6-2007 by dawnstar]

Dawn,

You obviously have a bone to pick.

I didn't make the rules, I just learned from my dad, how to make money off them.

If I may, I'll bow out of this debate.

It's become personal, and I never intended it to be that way.

You obviously have your views, and will stand behind them.

I respect that. 100%.

I have my views, and life experience. I hope you respect these.

Bowing out respectfully,
Lex

Originally posted by dawnstar
capitalistic, profit is everything, no matter the cost, attitude is contributing to bringing on a socialist society just a much as any democratic agenda! and it's benefitting from it.

I have three suggestions:

Cuba
Vietnam
North Korea