The "mystery" of Great Zimbabwe, page 1
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Topic started on 31-5-2007 @ 06:37 PM by truthseeka
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Great Zimbabwe

The "mystery" behind this site is a damn shame, if you ask me. Why? Because the mystery revolved around who built it. And this mystery is primarily from the location of this site; way down south in Africa.

There was much thought about who came all this way and built this ancient city; from Phoenicians to a "mysterious white race." The common theme in all this is that the obvious was obviously wrong: that native Africans had built these ruins.

Though most scholars today agree that Africans indeed built these ruins, there are people today who STILL don't think so. And of course, this is because Africans are innately incapable of anything that requires intelligence.

Damn. Is it THAT hard to believe that people of African descent can think? What's the purpose of perpetuating the racist doctrines of the European colonial era? Europeans went so far as to tell the Africans that NO ONE was there until Europeans came. This was not only in then Rhodesia, but in the school curriculum of South Africa as well.

The LIES that they've told about history is truly mind-boggling...


reply posted on 31-5-2007 @ 08:50 PM by Byrd
Great find! I enjoy reading about these sites.

The place is now a designated World Heritage site:
whc.unesco.org...

And yes, Truthseeka, this colonial mindset is actually fairly prevalent. It even shows up here in the form of "the ancients weren't smart enough to build Stonehenge/Giza/whatever and so it was done by aliens/Atlanteans."

The "back to nature" movement also is a form of this, assuming some sort of natural "at one with the environment" primitive man. It dates back to the 17th century and Rousseau; the romantic notion that man in a primitive (pre "Adam's fall") state was somehow harmonious and ecologically sound and in tune with the believer's deity concept (instead of being a group of trash-tossing hunter-gatherers who were animists.)


reply posted on 1-6-2007 @ 02:23 AM by Gemwolf
What's sad to me is that so few people get to see the ruins because of the demon spawn Robert Mugabe! (But let's not go into politics now... )

But it mustn't be left out of the equation...
1. One of the reason why some people - archaeologists and historians - don't believe the ruins to have "African" origin, is because it's not typical "African". The African tribes from that era and area didn't build stone structures. The hunter tribes built wood and straw huts that didn't require much time and effort, because they were nomads. The farmer tribes built clay/mud huts. But there is no reason why any African tribe couldn't put two rocks on each other and realize that they could build a stone structure which would be stronger. (Tribal wars were common in those times.)
2. What little evidence exists suggests that Great Zimbabwe also became a centre for trading, with artefacts suggesting that the city formed part of a trade network extending as far as China. Chinese pottery shards, coins from Arabia, glass beads and other non-local items have been excavated at Zimbabwe. This would point to the European explorers and trading routes of that time.
3. There is a legend going round that the structures were built to replicate the palace of the Queen of Sheba in Jerusalem. Now the dating (of the site and the theoretical era of Sheba) indicates that this theory is a bit of a stretch.
4. There is reason to believe that Archaeologist withheld (and perhaps) destroyed some of the information that may give clues as to who exactly built the ruins. This is the part where politics comes into play, and also a very important note. According to Paul Sinclair, interviewed for None But Ourselves (1982):


I was the archaeologist stationed at Great Zimbabwe. I was told by the then-director of the Museums and Monuments organization to be extremely careful about talking to the press about the origins of the Zimbabwe state. I was told that the museum service was in a difficult situation, that the government was pressurizing them to withhold the correct information. Censorship of guidebooks, museum displays, school textbooks, radio programmes, newspapers and films was a daily occurrence. Once a member of the Museum Board of Trustees threatened me with losing my job if I said publicly that blacks had built Zimbabwe. He said it was okay to say the yellow people had built it, but I wasn't allowed to mention radio carbon dates... It was the first time since Germany in the thirties that archaeology has been so directly censored.



5. An even more important indication that it was probably built by native Africans is the Khame Ruins - also in the Zimbabwean country.

Khame (also written as Kame or Kami) was the capital of the Torwa State that emerged as a strong power in south-western Zimbabwe after the decline of Great Zimbabwe in the 15th Century. In the late 17th Century the site was burned and levelled by the Rozwi, who then took it over. In the 1830s Nguni speaking Ndebele raiders displaced them from Khame and many of the other sites they had established.

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There is no question that native Africans built Khame, and lived there. It strongly resembles the Great Zimbabwe ruins. (Some may suggest that the Rozwi "copied" the Great Zimbabwe ruins, as there are many architectural differences, but the decorations suggest the same cultural background.)
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I hope Zimbabwe's BS gets sorted out, because it's a tourist goldmine, but Mr Mugabe is keeping the rest of the world from seeing it's great historical and natural treasures.


reply posted on 4-6-2007 @ 09:33 AM by truthseeka
Originally posted by Byrd
Great find! I enjoy reading about these sites.

The place is now a designated World Heritage site:
whc.unesco.org...

And yes, Truthseeka, this colonial mindset is actually fairly prevalent. It even shows up here in the form of "the ancients weren't smart enough to build Stonehenge/Giza/whatever and so it was done by aliens/Atlanteans."


Thanks for that link, Byrd. And, you're right about "the ancients were stupid" argument. Funny how these same individuals would likely agree that modern humans emerged in Africa 100K years ago.

Uh, yo, what part of modern don't they understand? That would mean that ancient people were just as smart as modern people, wouldn't it?

I think it's the fact that many of these individuals are baffled as to how the ancients did this stuff in the absence of modern technology. In a sense, it makes the ancients "smarter" than us because they constructed monuments such as those you mentioned without machines.

Just my view on that, of course.
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