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Topic started on 29-5-2007 @ 03:23 PM by apc

Aggression against military memorials


www.washingtontimes.com
On Mount Soledad, overlooking San Diego, crosses of one kind or another have stood since 1913. The current edition, erected in 1954, was designed as a memorial to Korean War veterans. For more than 75 years, no one complained, and the cross became a treasured landmark to most of the San Diego community.

Then, in 1989, one atheist decided the cross on the hill offended him, and the ACLU hurried to his aid, waving the so-called "separation of church and state" doctrine...
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reply posted on 29-5-2007 @ 06:55 PM by Stormrider
Originally posted by apc


I am not a Christian. I don't like most Christians. I find most of them arrogant and about as far from humble as you can get.

But I do think traditions are important. And the preservation of history.

The ACLU, as communistic as they are, have done good things in days past. But today their only purpose is the intentional dismantling of America.

Support the American Legion.

www.washingtontimes.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


Thanks for posting this, apc. I agree 100% with you on supportng the American Legion, and I would add the Veterans of Foreign Wars and Disabled American Veterans, as well. As a veteran and a proud American, I too believe in preserving traditions and history. It seems all the ACLU is interested in preserving is ignorance and disrespect.

Also, I am a Christian but I know you would like me cuz I'm not arrogant at all. : Very humble



reply posted on 14-6-2007 @ 10:19 AM by Deus_Brandon
Now, I won't get into whether or not I believe everything that is said here but the person who wrote this does make a good point.


"Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001?


Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan, across the Potomac from our nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania? Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?



And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was "desecrated" when an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet?...Well, I don't. I don't care at all.



I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.



I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi Arabia.



I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.



I'll care when the cowardly so-called "insurgents" in Iraq come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques.



I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.



I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.



In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.



When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college-hazing incident, rest assured: I don't care.



When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank: I don't care.



When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed "special" food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being "mishandled," you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts: I don't care.



And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled "Koran" and other times "Quran." Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and -you guessed it –I don't care ! ! ! ! !


If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button. Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great country! And may I add:



"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem." -- Ronald Reagan



I have another quote that I would like to add AND.......I hope you forward all this.



"If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under." Also by.. Ronald Reagan



One last thought for the day:



In case we find ourselves starting to believe all the anti-American sentiment and negativity, we should remember England's Prime Minister Tony Blair's words during a recent interview. When asked by one of his Parliament members why he believes so much in America, he said:




"A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at how many want in... And how many want out."



Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:

1. Jesus Christ

2. The American G. I.

One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.



YOU MIGHT WANT TO PASS THIS ON, AS MANY SEEM TO FORGET BOTH OF THEM. AMEN!


reply posted on 14-6-2007 @ 11:22 AM by Johnmike
Originally posted by Deus_Brandon
You must be a MORON !!!! .. RE-READ the post above ... as I am trying to ignore ignorance of not reading the ABOVE POST ... If someone kills your mother ... I bet you would turn to them and give them a free shot at your sister next ???? Great American you are ... I bet your family was a huge part of creating this country we live in ... Spineless ... nothing ....


That is talking not only about you .. but your family as they are the reason you are like you are ....


I really think calling me a moron will get you warned, but I hope any moderator reading this thread doesn't enforce it. I'm also a little angry that you brought my family into it for whatever reason. That's childish and immature; refrain from doing so in the future.

Now I'm trying to figure out if your post is a joke. I mean, no offense, but your post is so arrogant and needlessly inflammatory that I'm wondering if the person behind the computer is so immature. If you really are (and I'll continue with this assumption), then I sincerely ask you to look over your post before you submit it; it'll make us both look better. Additionally, you need to try not to do that thing where you type one line and press enter three times, it makes your posts (the one before the post I quoted) difficult to read.

Now, back on topic. My problem is with things like this:
Originally posted by Deus_Brandon
When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college-hazing incident, rest assured: I don't care.

See, I never flipped out over this, and I actually told some people to think before running with isolated reports of torture (ex. Abu Ghraib, though I still think it's wrong). But the problem is that we can't start down the slippery slope of inhumanity. Humiliating and torturing prisoners is something that is dishonorable and inhumane, and ultimately ineffective when trying to extract information. In fact, I'd advise you to read the KUBARK Counterintelligence Interrogation document by the CIA. It was declassified in 1997 and offers insight into both coercion and psychology.

Giving honor doesn't mean giving someone a metaphorical "free shot." It means refraining from causing terror and pain when there's no reason to do so (except for "getting back" at people, which is completely invalid).

I think torture is pretty spineless, if you want to call it that. This kind of arrogance, disrespect, and hate is much of the reason why Americans are seen in a bad light sometimes.

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