Free Energy Using Synthetic Tornadoes, page 2


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reply posted on 6-3-2008 @ 09:36 AM by triplepoint
reply to post by DYepes



That small pump could be powered by an inverter 12/110 that worked off a battery deep cycle $50 .......charged by a small solar cell.

Now this is not a big set up all the boats use similar to pump bilges when no one is on boat. That is where you could get everything.

By using two batterys you would be great for power outage. Wire batterys for 12 volt charge both.

I used this on a trailer and batterys last 2 to 4 years.......

Thanks

Jim

Just go to a boat shop. Cell is about 12" X 12"


reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 07:09 AM by ahnggk
reply to post by graysquirrel



I've actually done a bit of actual experiments regarding Kinetic Molecular theory of Gases.

It's very similar to your ideas as I also used a vortex and attempted to influence or induce order to the random bouncing of the air molecules.

It resulted in failure!!! But let's not cry yet. I think the failure has to do with 'Boundary Layer Behavior' and 'Reynolds Number'. If you're familiar with aerodynamics or fluid dynamics, you'll understand those terms and what they do.

To clear myself, air molecules doesn't actually bounce the way you predicted it, it's much more complicated than that and may perhaps be better explained using Quantum Mechanics!

Although, you did a great job at arriving at the concept, I sure do think it will work if you figure it out correctly! Good Luck!

And to clear and if I'm right this engine doesn't violate the 1st Law - Law of Conservation of Energy. But it does violate 2nd law by decreasing the Entropy in a system.

[edit on 18-6-2009 by ahnggk]


reply posted on 18-6-2009 @ 08:07 PM by graysquirrel
reply to post by ahnggk



Thanks for your post. I gave you a star. It is nice to here from a fellow free thinker.

I actually did take an upper division class in fluid dynamics. I do vaguely remember Reynolds Number and what it was used for. But, I have completely forgotten the equation for it.

I never even considered the violation of the 1st Law. Which is why I don’t think I even have any reference to it here.

I have a feeling that the experiment you did trying to organize air molecules that you thought failed was actually a success. If the outcome of your experiment was supposed to be an air flow, such as mine, and the air flow was much smaller than you were expecting, you could have falsely concluded that there was no air flow, hence, failure.

Now that I have said that, I am curious. could you please post details of this experiment. I will take an educated guess in saying that I will probably be able to verify that you were a success and why the performance was so limited.


reply posted on 25-6-2009 @ 10:26 PM by ahnggk
reply to post by MBF



I have no useful suggestions at the moment, sadly. But in my experience, you can save a lot of money by using recycled or surplus goods or stuff you can get from the junkyard.

Forget about B-new components and equipment. Also, learn to improvise McGyver-style.

Use precision only when needed or relevant to the experiment, not to make it look good... - this saves you time.

Use reliable (usually expensive) parts only when VERY needed or that safety will be compromised - this saves you money.

Build a bunker - expect more failures from less sophisticated experiments. Also learn how to repair damaged goods. But don't worry, despite all the hassles aside getting yourself seriously injured, all this should only cost you an exceedingly tiny fraction of many orders of magnitude, white coats do it in dust-free, bacteria-free labs!

[edit on 25-6-2009 by ahnggk]


reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 12:10 AM by MBF
reply to post by ahnggk



I've done that. My problem is the selling of my ideas. Last year, I made a device that cut our air conditioning cost. The cost of building the device was less than $200, but being mass produced, I think it could be done for $100. Our power bill for July was $399 before I installed the device. August is normally the hottest month, but the power bill was $148. More than enough to pay for the cost of the device. I have written a couple of letters and always send them certified mail, but I have gotten no response. It looks like somebody would be interested in getting this device into production. I know that there is a lot of crack pots out there with huge claims that never work, but I sent copies of our power bills with all the information so they could check to see if they were valid.


reply posted on 26-6-2009 @ 01:20 AM by ahnggk
reply to post by MBF



Wow, that sounds amazing!

Yea, that's the problem with many inventors. You know, inventors and businessmen, don't think alike. Inventors are risk-takers, businessmen aren't, especially if it's someone else's idea.

I assume you know a thing or two about manufacturing. To manufacture an entirely new product, engineers have to think of a way to fabricate it in the most cost-effective manner, there's an initial cost involved in that, it can be huge depending on the sophistication of the product. Then once production starts, you need to meet a minimum quota to be profitable or cover the initial costs. If your product, didn't sell as expected, it could mean a loss to the manufacturer - thus, they don't bite into ideas easily, even if it's working. Unless it's a kind of a pivotal invention, then these greedy businessmen's way of dealing with such is buying it from you at a 'large sum' . They really don't want partnerships, they want the whole thing!!

That's why we go back again to my earlier post - why don't you mass produce, market, and sell your own product yourself?

Great ideas should sell itself! You've done it, now, figure out how to mass produce it. Since, it cost you that little, I would assume manufacturing with be easy as well.

P.S. make sure you patent it first!


reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 12:09 AM by MBF
reply to post by ahnggk



I worked in the automotive manufacturing industry for over 4 years and I majored in mechanical engineering in college, so I know how the system works. I would only want to be paid on the number of units sold, so they would not be out of anything to me unless it was successful.

The reason that I don't mass produce it myself is $$$$$ to get started. The biggest hurdle would be the marketing. What I would like to see is power companies push these and have a program to help pay for them by spreading the cost out over a few months. Most people would not pay a few hundred dollars for something, but if they just had to pay the same amount as their power bill is per month normally for 2-3 months at the most, then it would be paid for and they would have the savings from then on.


reply posted on 12-7-2009 @ 05:52 PM by graysquirrel
After some though, I have decided to go ahead and post details before I have built an upgraded version with the 10in. per sec. required air flow. It really doesn’t matter how many layers or how long it takes me to achieve this required flow. This is still a practical free energy design and should not be withheld from the public.



Above is a drawing of a Pneumatic Transfer Pulley (PTP). If one stacks a number of these PTP’s on top of one another, the aligned through holes form two cylinders. A helical flow tornado is automatically created in each cylinder. The direction of the rotational component of the flow is the same for each cylinder. The direction of the flow component parallel to the axis of the cylinders for one cylinder is the opposite that of the other. The net result is that the PTP stack which has four holes in it (two on each end) has air being sucked into two of the holes and blown out the other two. Each end has an air in and air out pair. If one plugs both ends of one of the cylinders then air will be sucked in from one end of the stack and blown out the other.

The tornadoes are strongest at the center of the stack and weaken towards the ends. The strength of the tornadoes and hence power output is an exponential function of the size of the stack. Thus, one can get all the power one wants by increasing the size of the PTP stack. The only limitation being that at some point the internal tornadoes will be powerful enough to blow the PTP’s apart.
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