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Neoconservative (Nazi) Mind Control was used by Bush

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posted on May, 27 2007 @ 03:46 PM
Social engineers and propagandists alike have been using Sociology to control the masses for many decades. To understand this one must appreciate the effects that social group affiliations have on individuals who have Self-identified with them.

The best modern example to shed light on the implications of this is Dr. Drew Westen's fMRI policial bias brain scan study. It proved that people literally self-deceive themselves to maintain their ideal views about the leaders in the social group that they are subject to.

The best past example would be the way the Nazi's converged different social mindset biases into one solid construct. What they did was they turned the Nazi poltical party, German Nationalsm, Race and Religion into one single concept / mindset. That meant, to question something about one level of social group was to question everything. For example, if you questioned the Nazi party itself it meant, in the minds of those who had been indoctrinated / brainwashed, that you were also questioning / attacking the Race and the Religion and the Nation and so on. Of course Hitler, the leader (ruler actually) was the de facto overlord of each, so it's no surprised he basically had people of every social class ready to lick off his boots.

It turns out that George W. Bush did that same exact thing by converging American Nationalism, "Conservatism", and "Christianity" into one single mindset in the physical brains of his followers (memories, thoguht patterns, mindsets, etc are generally physical constructs of neuron networks in the brain). The Race issue could also be argued, but that's completely "implicit" and practically irrelevent in comparison to what the Nazi's did. Anyone who's tried to tell a staunch Religious Right follower -the truth about Dubya- has surely experienced first hand.

This brings whole new meaning to "the seperation of church and state".

[edit on 27-5-2007 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

posted on May, 27 2007 @ 04:18 PM
Either Bush is super-genius, or dumb as a box of rocks. Which is it?

If Bush mind control was happening, couldn't he do something about his approval ratings? Sure they are higher than Congress, but you wuold think with a mind control system they would at least reach 50%?

Republicans will always have their solid 30% base. Democrats will always have their solid 30% base. 40% will consider themselves independent. It comes down to issues and National Security. Since Democrats have no issues except to oppose Bush, and National Security to democrats means to appease your enemies. The choice for the Independents is easy.

No need for mind control, when the choice is so easy to begin with.

posted on May, 27 2007 @ 04:25 PM

Originally posted by RRconservative
Either Bush is super-genius, or dumb as a box of rocks. Which is it?

Bush is a fool???? If you buy that you're being played as the fool!

Actually tho, he tehnically can be a fool as long as he has the worlds best propagandists engineering his facade.

If Bush mind control was happening, couldn't he do something about his approval ratings? Sure they are higher than Congress, but you wuold think with a mind control system they would at least reach 50%?

The concept I've described is basically the only reason he still has the approval ratings that he does, as what he has done or allowed is unprecidented. Clinton support during the impeachment and other examples were mostly powered by the political bias concept alone. When leaders / rulers start converging the social group bias complexes it becomes an entire new monster like we seen in Nazi Germany or here in post-911 USA.

posted on May, 27 2007 @ 04:33 PM
SKUNK WORKS!?!?!?!!?

This is sociology and psychology in propaganda at its finest.

It's taken me over a year of studying Sociology, psychology / human behavior, political science, persuasion / propaganda and every degree of neuroscience and philosophy in between to be able to explain that in such simple terms.

And I'm not just talking Google, I'm talking the most recent science papers in the mind/brain fields and actual college editon textbooks as recent as 2006. Books that cost over $80 and you wont find at Borders.

If you doubt an important part bring it up, I can go on and on about this. I wasn't going to make a huge 4 page post about it, to begin with, that nobody would sit thru in one shot, and I'm not able to compute from home today where all my textbooks are.

I would have put this off, but one memeber was asking me directly about this (even though he didnt know it), but I did an offshoot thread on Bush's religiousity, and then that thread ended up squeezing me to do this offshoot thread to finish the perspective.

I'm sensing some offended social group biases in the decision to move me

[edit on 27-5-2007 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

posted on May, 27 2007 @ 04:39 PM

Originally posted by RRconservative
Either Bush is super-genius, or dumb as a box of rocks. Which is it?

I'm leaning to the "box of rocks"

But Rove, Rice, Abrams, Perle, Wolfowitz, Cheney and Donnelly and the other authors of PNAC are evil geniuses and are more than capable of hatching a plan like IgnoranceIsntBliss surmised.

posted on May, 28 2007 @ 02:39 PM
i agree with the OP, i look at bush and i see a man that is seeking reform with his whole being. really its pretty basic, hes the fall guy and his presence will usher in the new order(im sure he will be greatly compensated for his political sacrifice).

i dont remember where i read it(but im sure its everywhere), that the best way to induce a change is to first disrupt the current path. bush wants his approval rating to drop, he and his agenda need it to drop. scare the people with a false future and when the time is right the real game starts up.

the next president wont have to do much, but prove he/she is not like bush.

“sleight of hand”

EDIT: and to further what IIB is saying when bush has an approval rating of 30 that means 70% is against him. the lower his rating goes the higher the unity of the collective becomes. soon it will be a disgrace to follow bush and he will be the antagonist that defines patriotism.

[edit on 28/5/07 by Glyph_D]

posted on May, 28 2007 @ 05:09 PM

Originally posted by Glyph_D

the next president wont have to do much, but prove he/she is not like bush.

“sleight of hand”

That's just it: The masses would prefer to think that once we get a new president inthere the tyranny is over, but that could only be true if the next guy actually undoes all of the evils ands "laws" that have occured. I'm not even talking just under Bush's watch either, Clinton did some nasty things himself which has functioned as a springboard for Dubya.

Unless Ron Paul gets in there they can forget about a president coming to the rescue. Even still, we need serious social and political change to even begin to make things right. For that to happen ignorance about ourselves has to be eliminated.

[edit on 28-5-2007 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

posted on May, 28 2007 @ 05:32 PM
many people do not have the belief systems in place to be able to handle the truth.

man is not born smart. they have to be taught. and the public education often a college degree even will not teach you enough. i would recommend techniques such as NLP which give the mind options in representing different words/meaning in the mind and also learning techniques such as EFT to move past emotional baggage (which most on earth have to deal with)

yes mind control is used by the elite. manufacturing consent is another good video or way to describe some of the techniques as well as negative use of the estoric ancient knowledge

Zionists (who are themselves anti-semites) are the newest batch of illuminati "handlers" of a lot of the puppets in gov't) zionists hide behind the religion of judaism and pervert it. sadly the jewish are set up to take the fall for the zionists due to the zionists determination to hide behind judaism and this repeated association as well as the fact that alot of zionists have Jewish soundind names (even though they re-nounced there religion a long time ago) IMO this is the BIGGEST PROBLEM in THE WORLD

it dictates U.S policy for ISREAL which is an illegitimate state set up and funded by the illuminati (along with the manipulation of there jewish brethern)

the war in IRAQ/MIDDLE EAST is for GW bush (and fellow GLOBALISTS) to get more control of the oil (energy interests) as well as for ISREAL to become the seat of power in the region.

the united states is used for it's militiary power by the zionists and there intrests and will continue to be until isreal is the seat of power in the middle east and probably beyond in order to maintain it. the media manipulation as well as people's ignorance and fear of talking (losing there jobs, reputation) keeps this circus running in a way the sheeple dont see.

the united states is at the end of a credit expansion cycle which has left alot of the citizens in debt. the amount of disposable income they have is beginning to shrink and it will do so rapidly. energy prices rising is one cause for this. outsourced labor and unemployment or techically those who have been unable to get a job or out of the labor force (not listed in unemployment numbers) is another.

in the united states at least, you will see the banks tightening there loan requirements which will lead to less money coming into the economy as well as credit card companies also getting closer to the date requirements to increase the minimum payment on credit cards from 2 % to 4% of balance which was passed over a year ago but due to the grace period has not been felt yet by majority of citizens. BOTTOM LINE. cost of living going up. bills (credit card payment minimums and energy costs rising. less disposabe income need for credit going up. supply of credit available going down (tighter lending laws) less consumer spending = businesses going under= more people losing there jobs. stock markets eventually going down. NAU being formed Amero being introduced. public assets being bought up "privatized" as well as national parks and natural resources. costs of goods continuing to rise. high civil unrest. more "lone nut" assasins and tougher pushes for gun control laws. more chemtrails and lung cancer. perhaps a widespread biological warfare incident. there will be 2 many useless feeders

buy gold buy silver move out of the USA and yes I love my country and i am very proud to be an american citizen and consider myself very lucky to do so and i am aware of how american's take so much for granted. those that get there happiness from material things will fall hard. live a simple life. find and enrich relationships and be close with your family. be a child at heart and enjoy the wealth and beauty nature has to offer.

yes mind control is used by bush, probably on him as well.

[edit on 28-5-2007 by cpdaman]

posted on May, 28 2007 @ 08:28 PM
We brought over Nazi scientists through Operation Paperclip: why not Soviet social engineers and scientists now?

The Cold War was a struggle between two powerful States, each seeking to topple the other, each prepared to destroy the biosphere in order to claim victory in this struggle. How can we say the World is better off with this struggle resulting in the collapse of one State? What can be the possible ethics of the victor, who would engage in such a struggle?

Ecphoria is a powerful tool. The different approaches of cognitive and behaviorist psychology are interesting in terms of the distinction between an explanatory and a descriptive account of a phenomena.

This link (scroll down past the GPL legalese for a description of the software):

reminded me of my favorite inventor:

Strange auspices in the 5th Dimension.

posted on May, 28 2007 @ 09:06 PM

Originally posted by America Jones
We brought over Nazi scientists through Operation Paperclip:

Great point
I didnt even think about including that, I guess I was too focused on the Bush / social bias complexes.

why not Soviet social engineers and scientists now?

Well, "our" system of social engineering is "better" actually, but throwing some of them in the mix wouldn't "hurt" either. In fact they typically used roughly the same propaganda that "we" used ("on ourselves") over here. Most particularly Cold War propaganda, which leads me to question if they adopted the same DIVERSION element that is so dominant over here (distract divert and confuse everyone from figuring out the truth of the matters).

In context of this thread, however, socialist sociology in regards to 'mind control' is slightly different. I'm not sure the local "Liberal" variations would be the same either, as their big thing was the cult of personality deificaton of their Lenin's/Stalin's/etc to make up for the lack of a clear religious system to exploit into converging their subjects social group mindsets for total thought control. I wish I could sit down with some people of various ages from there to learn a better idea of the comparisons.

The Cold War was a struggle between two powerful States,

Not exactly, but it looks like it was right on the tip of your tongue. It was a power struggle between 2 hegemonic empires. Each one used typically the same fear tactics and etc propaganda to "gain compliacne", and each used the same dirty tricks and shady tactics to further their goals of global domination.

posted on May, 29 2007 @ 02:27 PM
An interesting theory although 'mind control' is a somewhat strong term, in reality it is more propaganda and coercion. Also, similarities between the current U.S regime and Nazi/Soviet regimes cannot really be drawn as in the U.S (as far as I am aware as a non-U.S citizen) citizens do not live in fear of state terror and state secret police, as was the case in European totalitarian regimes of the 20th century.

posted on May, 29 2007 @ 05:39 PM
I was too hasty with this one.

Mind control is a general term for a number of controversial theories and/or techniques designed to subvert an individual's control of their own thinking, behavior, emotions, or decisions.

While terms such as mind control have been called "merely more scientific-sounding terms for . . . brainwashing",[1] the term can cover subjects such as hypothetical neurotechnology that, it is claimed, might one day "hack" the human brain.[2]

I was using the term in the 'brainwashing' context.

The style in question is rather tricky to classify between indoctrination and brainwashing, and it's often subjective... Bush didn't indoctrinate people their entire lives into the converged mindsets, but it could be said that the Neoconservaatives and the Religious Right have to many that adhere to it. Therefore, in the Religous Right context it would be centered around indoctrination, whereas in the Bush context it would be brainwashing... that either utilized said RR indoctrination, or kicked open the doors of brainwashing on newer 'pledges' in the entire melodrama, depending on the individual.

Propaganda is the science of persuasion and diverson. Virtually everything that comes out of Bush's mouth is propaganda, and all too often of the deceptive variety. Coersion is what you would consider as the far end of the spectrum of persuasion. Coersion has degrees in itself, but the most 'simple' form is when you're being persuaded to do something... but you really have no option despite the perceived persusaion. Of course coersion can go off the deepend into raw aggression.

Bush didn't exactly force (with raw aggression) people to 'worship' him, directy, but he (and his elite propagandists) did so indirectly (implicitly actually) by using using coersive TERROR to scare the bejesus out of people, while draped in a flag of "patriotism" (blind nationalism actually) with all of the sociological rhetoric I've already pointed out.

The the nature of Modern American Propaganda is to give explicitly (in your face) the perception of choice / freedom / etc, while implicitly (subtle; without actually saying directly; 'subliminal') shocking and scaring you into compliance. As long as you don't question the authority completely you wont have to experience the true brutal nature of the system, and therefore subjectively it's percieved as not being that type of system. When you do challegne it you're met with terrorist watch lists / batons / tear gas / boots / shields / microwave beams / rubber bulles / accoustical cannons / visit to your home / etc and so on.

Just don't challenge it or even percieve it and "it doesnt exist".

[edit on 29-5-2007 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

posted on Oct, 26 2014 @ 09:57 PM
The irony that but a couple years after I wrote this Obama was sworn in and right out the gates the Mainstream Manipulators all started chirping using anti-race mania slandering to smack down criticisms of most every form of policy.

Since race is the deepest seeded social group identifier people are naturally going to adhere to, it could be argued this non-Aryan lot of rabble rousers are using Nazi propaganda techniques even more extensively than the redneck Republicans. At least the chimp was actually quite entertaining at times.
edit on 26-10-2014 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss because: (no reason given)

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