Pentagon "NTSB animation" is wrong!, page 4
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reply posted on 29-5-2007 @ 02:55 PM by Caustic Logic
Originally posted by nick7261

The animation played a HUGE part in the original video, Pandora's Black Box. In fact, the entire point of the film was to point out that the NTSB flight data showed FL 77 coming in north of the Citgo, and not along the official flight path.


Well to be fair this was only one of their points. The loop actually taken right before that is another point, as is the altitude at the end (440 feet over the Pgon when corrected), and the fact that it stopped short of the building. But it was all about this animation, which is what they mean when they say FDR data. Which it isn't. So the whole thing isn't debunked, but brought into serious question to the point I will ignore all other discrepancies I can't see somewhere else too.

And we haven't debunked the PPentaCon yet, just its supposed Black Box backing.

It's not a compass error. It seems to be a blatant oversight by the publishers of PF911T that's so egregious that it casts doubts about everything else related to their videos. It's not a matter of whether or not the data was faked to "create a conspiracy." The point is the self-proclaimed experts at PF911T should have figured out what Caustic did before they produced their videos. Instead, the PF911T appear to have used ATS to promote their video while misleading the members here.

To the PF911T, if I have misinterpreted the data and the conclusions, I apologize in advance. However, unless there is some explanation for the problems pointed out, you seem to have some explaining to do.


Somehow it almost seems they were meant to be discovered tho. It's really not that tough. I mean from the first minute I was thinking "wow. Te FDR found IN thePentagon - shows the plane had to have passed over it. Did they plant it? Then why not with a faked trajectory that actually PUT it there?"

Fact is, real or not, it shows just that after all.

The animation is misinfo. That's as far as I care to go at the moment.


reply posted on 29-5-2007 @ 03:12 PM by Caustic Logic
Originally posted by darkbluesky
Nick - I was completely wrong on the correction from mag to true heading in eastern US...see above.

Here is a link to the P4911T discussion regarding altered data:

z9.invisionfree.com...


I know you wanted your goof ignored, but I just had to say how cool it is to have my bubble burst but then... not! This is superb, we have a consensual reality forming here around this issue. I'm loving it.
Great link friend

It's interesting to know they haven't ignored it completely, but were discussing it in late February. But the other data being faked is the best they could come up with? Sheesh. Plus faked light pole clippage and interior building damage. That is ONE powerful ass animation that can counter all that stuff ane emerge the ONLY ONE REAL in their minds. Do minds get that broken on accident? Can they really believe this? Or does the "mis" before info become a "dis?"

It's a matter of opinion.


reply posted on 29-5-2007 @ 03:58 PM by Caustic Logic
Originally posted by Zaphod58
The reason the FDR stopped is that it records whole seconds of data. The data after the point it stops was only partially recorded, so the FDR didn't record it.


Yes one second is missing, but the problem is its position then - I think they've argued, and I agreed, that it's too far from the building as well as too high to have hit in another second.

And re: the altitude issues:
As for the altitude setting I'm reading some interesting things about that right now. Basically, here's how it worked that day, and what some other people are interpreting it as.

Flight 77 takes off, with the pressure set to 30.20 as told by the tower before departure. Once a flight passes 18,000 it's standard to reset the pressure to 29.92 on all flights. This was done.


Also resets at other flight levels it'd be interesting to check for:
FAA

At some point after the takeover Hanjour reset the pressure on #1 to approximately 30.25. A 0.05 error leads to a 50 foot altitude error. So if we can find out what the pressure at the time of impact was as National we may be able to account for this error. If it was around 30.15 or so that would account for the altitude error.

Edit to add: According to PF911Truth it was around 30.20 still. I'm looking for other sources to verify this though.


I read it a bit different, but I'm wrong often enough.
Slightly dated now but I put my analysis up here The pilots claim a 300 foot correction, putting the (animation) FDR alt of 180 msl as 480 msl, 440 agl.
www.abovetopsecret.com... (but labeled wrong - FL180 not 108 and it's not trim, it's.. whatever we're looking for. The thing that was reset.)

And one more thing: I want to go on the record about the CSV file I'm using - it has about as dubious an origin as the animation, though a different precise route. It has weird things too, like the reset on descent at 18,000 Zaphod's looking at. This is something a hijacker would not probably do, John Lear and me agree. So as we set up the CSV by using its supposed FDR prdigree to tear down the non-matching animation, I also need to note this, perhaps the Pilots' trump card - that shows an FAA-trained pro pilot in the cockpit as the maneuvers were executed.

From what I gather, it is THIS questionable reset NOT being in the animation that gives us what Balsamo thinks warrants a 300-foot correction. One more problem with animation, but possibly a bigger problem for the CSV file. The copy I have has no NTSB ID number. I think it was the doc made by the mr.x on his laptop from the unreadable L3 file the Pilots recieved...


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