Hugo Chavez Takes Over Venezuelan TV Station

Quite right Sentinal.Now all the people will hear is the unopposed truth as hugo tells it.Many predicted that venezuela will follow the cuban model.Its oil revenue will carrie it for awhile but eventualy,imho,this economic path will doom it to fail as cuba's has.And as far as chavez not seeking dictatorship...i think this latest act has spoken volumes.

[edit on 29-5-2007 by Xfile]

But who has the morale right to tell me and you what laws we should abide by and live under?

me and you both have different views on how we should live our lives, a government shouldn't be telling us what is morality and acceptable. A universal view on how a society should live is not democratic.

regarding Chavez....

He may not be a socialist or communist, but he is apart of the authoritarian left. I have many friends who declare themselves apart of that dogma. It's belief in a "perfect society" and control from the center.

I am confused as to why anyone would want to align themselves with the likes of Chaves, or Castro, I wonder what Glover or Sheehan are thinking?

The chickens will come home to roost.

Yes Capitalism has is flaws too, I never said it doesn't, but Capitalism is a whole lot better than Communism, or true Socialism.



Please don't insult my intelligence by asking me to watch one of "Moore's Lier-dramas".... Moore is just out to make a buck with exagerations and lies. Nothing more, nothing less.



Big corporations can be a problem, but that is why there is a need of a representative Republic, such as the U.S., or some government which has representatives for the people.

Now, the people themselves need to get more involved with their representatives, which is the biggest problem we have had for a while now. People are too complacent and don't want to spent any time having to do anything with the government, or you have some people which have the defeatist mentality, claiming talking to your representatives will do nothing. That's where people are wrong, YES YOU CAN DO SOMETHING. GET YOUR BUTT OFF THAT COUCH IN FRONT OF THAT TV SET, AND GET MORE INVOLVED WITH THE GOVERNMENT, IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT IS GOING ON.

What a lot of people these days do is they go to a bar, or talk to a friend or even respond in forums and vent their frustration there... That is not going to solve anything.

I am not saying it is not good to talk to people, and discuss different ideas and such, but if you want something done in society, or by the government, you have to get involved.

[edit on 29-5-2007 by Muaddib]

No one likes chaves but there is more to this, it's about the super heroes asigned by bush coming to the rescue the venesuelans.
People just don't like propaganda, and people will seem that they are taking sides with chaves which of course is not true.
No one likes chaves , and also no one seems to like super heroes any more, if some one is going to take down chaves let it be the venesuelans.

Then you are pretty much advocating going back to having small tribes, and resolving all our problems by stealing from the neighbors when our resources are low, or waging small raids/battles to fight for resources.

It has been tried and done for thousands of years.




There is no such thing as a "perfect society". Utopias are just an idea which will never exist. There is no such thing as a "perfect man", hence there will never be an "utopia".

We all have different opinions because we are all different people.

Small autonomous communities, if they are only a few will work. But in large scales it does not work because conflicts/wars will arise as each community claims resources that they need to survive.

Chavez is a perfect example of a true Socialist/Communist. Socialism, true Socialism that is, is the first step towards Communism, be thankful that your country, and some others decided just to take somethings from Socialism, and didn't transform all the way into a Communist system.

[edit on 29-5-2007 by Muaddib]

American superheroes?....

What are you talking about?

Chavez makes many claims that are just lies... He is shutting down every communication media in Venezuela that has criticized him, claiming they were promoting his assassination, when there is no proof of such a claim...

That is what Chavez tells the world, but if you look at the new laws put in by the Chavistas, no Venezuelan can even criticize Chavez, or other Chavistas in power.

Chavez is making sure all oposition is silenced before more and more Venezuelans realize what has happened. Even though probably half of the population already know and oppose this.

[edit on 29-5-2007 by Muaddib]

Well interesting you should bring up Sheehan, she was on the news today bellyaching about being broke, she said she's quiting the activist role, she said she's broke, her kids hate her, it cost her marriage, so now she quit's. I dont know about Glover he never was a relavant voice IMHO anyway.

These people are long on wind, but short on substance. if your going to listen to hollywood on these issues, you might as well consider everyother source as well what about Pat Robertson remember what he said?? he called for Hogo Chavez to be taken out...............Hummmmm

OH, he did, didn't he?

The Venezuelan's should have seen this coming, wouldn't you think?

Yes I would think so , anyway many people thought that Pat Robertson was way out of line for saying such a thing, myself included, but in hindsight maybe he was right, I mean many of the Venezuelan's might agree with Pat Robertson's assessment NOW! Scary huh.

I'm no Pat Robertson fan or anything just an observation that's all.

I wonder if Pat Robertson has seen the new dictatorship in the US?

Any mention of it?

Toooouche' DG, I wonder why were not hearing anyone speak out on that one huh. the rich wont squak untill they start losing their money. you can bet on that.

Marxism is the only form of socialism that advocates the transformation from a capitalist to a socialist then a communist system. Not all socialist believe in such a transformation.

Muaddib is pointing out the fact that Venezuela/Souljah is the pot calling the kettle black. Why don't you address that issue instead of attacking Muaddib for his strong beliefs?

It's so ironic - people always want to point the finger back at the US when a claim of wrongdoing is made against another nation. But when the same is done to them, they resort to ad hominem attacks.



Al Jazeera now has broadcast rights inside the US. Should they be closed down?

Let's not stop there... how about the BBC? Why should they be allowed to broadcast on our airwaves?

Well, the government says they did and the station says they didn't. It should be fairly easy to produce a tape of the offending broadcast, no?

Why don't you ask Hitler.
How long before this little pygmy orders the killing of the "verbal attackers"
He's not finshed just yet.

From previous post source.

I do not really see the connection right off the top of my head, but who knows what will come about in the court of law.

BBC is a publicly funded broadcast corporation, just like the new one that has been opened. And if you did not read, RCTV will still actually be available on cable, so the station was not actually shut down, simply denied its public broadcast license. They are not the same.

Well as far as I know, what is happening right now in Venezuela is simply a period of Anrachy as the country switches into a new form of government. Happens all the time in Africa.

We can only know how it turns out by waiting a few years and seeing what happens.

[edit on 5/30/2007 by DYepes]

He's even threatening to seize the CNN assets there and throw them out of the country.

Since he's taking American company's assets there, can't the U.S. seize Citgo assets owned by Venezuela in this country? I think that should be looked into.

No he did not say he is attempting to sieze CNN assets, they are trying to sue them. Lets not twist the message or personal slander here.

I think you are correct,

but I doubt it will be a wise move to lower your standards to the level of Chavez.