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Originally posted by FlyersFan
One look at Venezuela should be enough to scare any sensible American into vigilance.
Originally posted by stumason
it takes a bigger man to admit he is wrong...
I bet my bottom dollar you wouldn't do the same...
Muaddib and jsobecky being their usually confrontational selves.
Originally posted by infinite
People should fear a military regime than a radical socialist.
Originally posted by stumason
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Even when people come out and say "I was wrong about Chavez", they still feel the need to crap on them, despite the fact it takes a bigger man to admit he is wrong...
I bet my bottom dollar you wouldn't do the same...
Originally posted by FlyersFan
I don't know infinite. Both will destroy a country.
Originally posted by infinite
Burma is more frighting than Venezuela. Burma is what happen when the military gets more powerful than the State.
People should fear a military regime than a radical socialist.
Well, that's how dictatorships work. What else should we expect? Its no big shock to me at all. I come from Cuba, you know, Hugo Chavez' best friend? I was little but remember all television stations taken over by Castro's regime and all media in general. It all goes hand in hand. :shk:
Originally posted by iori_komei
I have to say though, in his defence, even though it's not an excuse, so don't think I
support this or consider it right, but how long would it be before anyone would want to
shut down a place if they are constantly verbally attacking you, not that it's right.
Originally posted by Muaddib
Chavez has used the military, and has ordered acts of violence to stop peaceful protests against him.
BTW, Chavez is a Communist. In his latest presidential speech he even admitted being Communist.
Originally posted by Muaddib
Anyone can be wrong stumason, and i have conceded in the past if I was wrong, and yes i even apologized to people in the past if my "transgressions" were unfounded.
I was wondering exactly how you came to see what Chavez is now, when he has done much worse in the past and you still supported him, that's all.
[edit on 28-5-2007 by Muaddib]
Originally posted by stumason
But why does that mean we need them coming on to the thread and instead of dealing with it gracefully, it's all "I told you so", "Liberal this" and "stop your bush-bashing", when no-one has bashed Bush at all.
See what I mean about putting words in people's mouths?
Originally posted by infinite
Yes, but in Burma..the military acts on its own..nothing like Venezuela. It would be like the US military overthrowing Congress and the President then taking power for itself.
Originally posted by infinite
If he reads Marx, he will understand that he isn't a Communist. Far from it.
Chavez has this fantasy that he can bring a mini-USSR like system to Latin America.
Originally posted by stumason
I have noticed that people are "liberal" (exactly what is a "Liberal") bashing quite freely though. Muaddib and jsobecky being their usually confrontational selves.
Even when people come out and say "I was wrong about Chavez", they still feel the need to crap on them, despite the fact it takes a bigger man to admit he is wrong...
I bet my bottom dollar you wouldn't do the same...
Originally posted by infinite
People should fear a military regime than a radical socialist.
[edit on 28-5-2007 by infinite]
* Total population: 23,000,000
* World’s 5th largest oil exporter, yet 80% of population in poverty
* Population making below $1 a day: 15%
* Unemployment rate: 17%
* 3 out of 10 Venezuelan children live in severe poverty
* 176,000 children are beggars
* 50% of children 0-6 years are undernourished
* 4.5 million children are in need: 48,000 are prostitutes, 600,000 left school, one million work
* Fewer than 50% complete secondary education
* There are 20,000 elementary schools and 2,000 secondary schools
Originally posted by Muaddib
He has read Marx, but in fact he prefers Trotsky. Chavez wants his revolution to be Global. He calls it, just as Trotsky did, a Global "Permanent revolution", it is still Communism.
[edit on 28-5-2007 by Muaddib]
Originally posted by infinite
A Latin American Kim Jong Il
Originally posted by stumason
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But now, it seems like he is doing a power grab (more than you'd expect from a far-left Socialist). Nationalising the Oil industry is one thing, but taking over the Media is the first step towards a dictatorship. His other moves to bring all his supporters under one Unified party rang alarm bells too. Reminds me of the Soviet's.
Originally posted by Muaddib
He has read Marx, but in fact he prefers Trotsky. Chavez wants his revolution to be Global. He calls it, just as Trotsky did, a Global "Permanent revolution", it is still Communism.
* Total population: 23,000,000
* World’s 5th largest oil exporter, yet 80% of population in poverty
* Population making below $1 a day: 15%
* Unemployment rate: 17%
* 3 out of 10 Venezuelan children live in severe poverty
* 176,000 children are beggars
* 50% of children 0-6 years are undernourished
* 4.5 million children are in need: 48,000 are prostitutes, 600,000 left school, one million work
* Fewer than 50% complete secondary education
* There are 20,000 elementary schools and 2,000 secondary schools
Originally posted by Muaddib
His first election was probably "democratic", but since then there hasn't been a democratic election in Venezuela. His oponent numbers are as great, or greater than the Chavistas' numbers. Even when his oponents make demonstrations, the Chavistas can only summon much smaller amounts of people lately to chant in favor of Chavez.