Roswell Smoking Gun? - Ramey Message

Originally posted by skyeagle409

Originally posted by SuicideVirus

It's interesting that one of the commentators mentioned the Nazi "crystal ball" radar tracking devices, which resemble "foo fighters" in the description. It's too bad most of the available German documentation indicates that they didn't know what the foo fighters were, either. Otherwise, it would be interesting to speculate that along with German rockets, the Army was secretly testing captured or reproduced German foo fighter radar tracking discs/spheres, also.

The Germans had nothing to do with the foo fighters since they thought the foo fighters were ours, and the foo fighters were seen over the Pacific as well.

That's what I said. Still, not everybody is privy to what everybody else is doing. If the Germans did happen to develop flying magnetic gizmos -- basically kites of some kind designed to zip into the magnetic field of a plane to help track it -- maybe it was done in a different little secret facility off in some other part of the woods than the rocket stuff. And who said that the Germans didn't know anything about the foo fighters? The same people who may still be keeping some of that research classified? This is a conspiracy board, after all. It's hard for us to know what nobody tells us.

I was over at the White Sands website just now. Interesting how very few rocket launches are recorded for June, 1947. Basically just a small WAC Corporal on the 15th. Of course, there's stuff that goes on the books, and there's stuff that doesn't.

Are you being serious? did the tags say " part of an experiment to listen for russian nukes"

NYU balloon teams job was to try and get balloons to fly at constant altitude. Thats it. Most of balloon trains they launched were considered expendable in fact they flew 110 "research" flights and these were published in unclassified documents at the time. The "service" flights were the secret ones and not published.

Majority of the NYU balloons only had meteorological equipment,transmitter for sending the data & radar targets. Purely for balloon flight research.




[edit on 11-6-2007 by yeti101]

Originally posted by yeti101
Are you being serious? did the tags say " part of an experiment to listen for russian nukes"

If they were classified assets of the military, they wouldn't have had any reward tags nor questionaires. Also, the military doesn't allow ordinary civilians to come in contact with their classified assets, much less leave them lying around in open fields for days.

NYU balloon teams job was to try and get balloons to fly at constant altitude. Thats it. Most of balloon trains they launched were considered expendable in fact they flew 110 "research" flights and these were published in unclassified documents at the time.

If they were expendable, then they were not classified.

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The "service" flights were the secret ones and not published.

NYU sevice flights were not the Mogul balloons we are talking about and the service flights were not classified either. In fact, the service balloons of NYU were expendable as well.

Majority of the NYU balloons only had meteorological equipment,transmitter for sending the data & radar targets. Purely for balloon flight research.

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Which simply proves that they were not classified entities of the military.


[edit on 11-6-2007 by skyeagle409]

Originally posted by SuicideVirus

That's what I said. Still, not everybody is privy to what everybody else is doing. If the Germans did happen to develop flying magnetic gizmos -- basically kites of some kind designed to zip into the magnetic field of a plane to help track it -- maybe it was done in a different little secret facility off in some other part of the woods than the rocket stuff. And who said that the Germans didn't know anything about the foo fighters?

German aircraft were affected as well and that is why they thought the foo fighters were ours. Even Japanese and American aircraft in the Pacific were affected by the foo fighters.

I was over at the White Sands website just now. Interesting how very few rocket launches are recorded for June, 1947. Basically just a small WAC Corporal on the 15th. Of course, there's stuff that goes on the books, and there's stuff that doesn't.

Check what else has been going on over White Sands.

Originally posted by SuicideVirus
And who said that the Germans didn't know anything about the foo fighters?

After the War Germans were interogated and Foo Fighters were on the list of things the Allies wanted to know about, that is how we know the Germans were also perplexed by the Foo Fighters.

Foo Fighters were simply UFOs in everyway.

Here is what the Robertson Panel in 1953 said.

"If the term "flying saucers" had been popular in 1943-1945, these objects would have been so labeled." pp. 8

www.cufon.org...

Originally posted by yeti101
The "service" flights were the secret ones and not published.

That is not correct. The service flights were not even Balloon Trains, they were simply two -four neoprenes used to carry components aloft for testing.

Originally posted by lost_shaman

Originally posted by SuicideVirus
And who said that the Germans didn't know anything about the foo fighters?

After the War Germans were interogated and Foo Fighters were on the list of things the Allies wanted to know about, that is how we know the Germans were also perplexed by the Foo Fighters.

Again, says WHO? Where did that information you're repeating come from? Someone with an agenda, perhaps?

Originally posted by SuicideVirus
Again, says WHO? Where did that information you're repeating come from? Someone with an agenda, perhaps?

What do you mean 'say's who'? This is well known WWII History! 'Foo Fighters' are UAP. They are not Secret German Weapons. You can verify that yourself by reading reports of 'Foo Fighters' and noting that they are 100% consistent with UAP.

The MOD's Condign Report (which is about UAP) states...

"The incidence of 'FooFighters' or 'BOLS' is perhaps higher than reported. In Russia, airline crews, it has been suggested, are reluctant to call passenger's attention to these as it is bad for business!"

FOO FIGHTERS is the name given to the general body of spherical, circular, disc-like, or wedged shaped "bogies," sometimes seeming to glow, shine, or reflect a high degree of illumination seen mostly by World War II pilots or flight crews.

They usually paralleled or followed aircraft and were seen by aviators on all sides of the action, being reported by American, British, German and Japanese crews. No Foo Fighter was known or reported to have made or attempted any sort of contact, interaction or attack.

They were known, however, for their high rate of speed and agility, being much faster than any known aircraft at the time as well as being extremely manuverable, often exhibiting highly unconventional abilities such as instantaneous acceleration and deacceleration, rapid climbing and descent, and hovering in place.

sped2work.tripod.com...

www.ufocasebook.com...

Even with the destruction of some of the documentation of the event (or non-event) itself, there would be no way to destroy all of the hundreds or thousands of secondary documents generated by such a necessarily major operation. All of the paperwork surrounding the "hole" would suggest what might be in it. It's curious to note how little of the entire base was involved in such a supposedly momentous happening.

And it's not like all of the Roswell paperwork and communications from that time were destroyed. There's still a lot of it around. Unfortunately, what still exists still offers no indication of anything happening other than a minor communications snafu that got out of hand.

Nobody every said all the base paperwork was destroyed, but certain critical ones, like the base communications were. Other records are missing that should exist, like what the heck happened to Wright Field's assessment of the debris when it was shipped there?

Paperwork generated OUTSIDE the normal Roswell paperwork concerning a flying saucer crash would be classified TOP SECRET (if not ATS), and would probably be sitting in a Pentagon vault now unavailable to our eyes.

Not even important enough for anyone to either get promoted or demoted for.

That's nonsense. This was hardly a "nonevent." The commander of the one and only atomic bomber base issues a press release that they have a flying saucer, initializing a press feeding frenzy that totally disrupted the routine at the Pentagon, including that of acting Chief of Staff Vandenberg, who newspapers said took personal charge of the public relations fiasco, and extended to all the phone lines into Roswell AAF and Fort Worth AAF. Gen. Ramey similarly has his day disrupted and is embarrassed, because his subcommand at Roswell is staffed by senior officers who can't make a simple ID of a balloon, and then seriously compound their incompetence by issuing a highly inflamatory press release that they have a flying disc, only to be quickly revealed as idiots by Gen. Ramey who quickly ID's it as a balloon.

Military careers have been cut short for far less than this. This wasn't some minor base in Greenland. It was the AAF's atomic bomber base. There definitely would have been an investigation if this is all that happened. Vandenberg and Ramey would have insisted on it. Heads of some senior officers at Roswell would have rolled. But in reality, there was no investigation, and none of the senior officers careers suffered. Quite the contrary.

Here's a document that proves it: Gen. Ramey's evaluation of that incompetent intelligence officer Marcel a year later as he was being transferred to higher intelligence jobs

www.roswellproof.com...

Ramey calls Marcel "outstanding," says he has nobody in his command to replace him, and thinks him command officer material. Read it.

An intel officer who can't ID a simple balloon is neither outstanding, command officer material, nor hard to replace. Obviously Ramey knew full well Marcel didn't screw up anything, otherwise he wouldn't be complimenting him as he is here.

And after a week or so, the base was back to dull, ordinary business as usual. Again, hardly what you'd expect if something really extraordinary happened.

The debris field was cleaned up, the debris, main disk, and bodies had been shipped somewhere else, so why shouldn't the base then return to normal? There is some testimony from soldiers there that the base went into lockdown during the height of the events. But why would it remain permanently locked down?

But this is getting away from the Ramey Memo, which I'm still playing with, and still coming up with not much in the way of useful evidence.

Well, I think even you agree now that the work "'disc'" and also "weather balloons" are there. The memo is about Roswell in some way, not the base picnic.

Originally posted by debrisfield
Vandenberg and Ramey would have insisted on it. Heads of some senior officers at Roswell would have rolled. But in reality, there was no investigation, and none of the senior officers careers suffered. Quite the contrary.

Who? LOL

I don't think your average 'Lay person' even knows who we are talking about (unless they've watched a YouTube Video!!!). Much less the actuall significance (unless they've watched a YouTube Video!!!), and most likely doesn't even have a clue about the Time line here (unless they've watched a YouTube Video!!!).

I'd go so far as to say at least 9 out of 10 people have no business looking at historical events PERIOD! (unless matbe they've watched a YouTube Video!!!).


I'm exagerating on purpose, but I am trying to make a point. I don't think most people who even talk about Roswell have a clue about the context of the event.


[edit on 14-6-2007 by lost_shaman]