Roswell Smoking Gun? - Ramey Message, page 8
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reply posted on 11-6-2007 @ 04:24 PM by SuicideVirus
Originally posted by skyeagle409
Originally posted by SuicideVirus

It's interesting that one of the commentators mentioned the Nazi "crystal ball" radar tracking devices, which resemble "foo fighters" in the description. It's too bad most of the available German documentation indicates that they didn't know what the foo fighters were, either. Otherwise, it would be interesting to speculate that along with German rockets, the Army was secretly testing captured or reproduced German foo fighter radar tracking discs/spheres, also.


The Germans had nothing to do with the foo fighters since they thought the foo fighters were ours, and the foo fighters were seen over the Pacific as well.



That's what I said. Still, not everybody is privy to what everybody else is doing. If the Germans did happen to develop flying magnetic gizmos -- basically kites of some kind designed to zip into the magnetic field of a plane to help track it -- maybe it was done in a different little secret facility off in some other part of the woods than the rocket stuff. And who said that the Germans didn't know anything about the foo fighters? The same people who may still be keeping some of that research classified? This is a conspiracy board, after all. It's hard for us to know what nobody tells us.

I was over at the White Sands website just now. Interesting how very few rocket launches are recorded for June, 1947. Basically just a small WAC Corporal on the 15th. Of course, there's stuff that goes on the books, and there's stuff that doesn't.


reply posted on 11-6-2007 @ 08:30 PM by debrisfield

Even with the destruction of some of the documentation of the event (or non-event) itself, there would be no way to destroy all of the hundreds or thousands of secondary documents generated by such a necessarily major operation. All of the paperwork surrounding the "hole" would suggest what might be in it. It's curious to note how little of the entire base was involved in such a supposedly momentous happening.

And it's not like all of the Roswell paperwork and communications from that time were destroyed. There's still a lot of it around. Unfortunately, what still exists still offers no indication of anything happening other than a minor communications snafu that got out of hand.


Nobody every said all the base paperwork was destroyed, but certain critical ones, like the base communications were. Other records are missing that should exist, like what the heck happened to Wright Field's assessment of the debris when it was shipped there?

Paperwork generated OUTSIDE the normal Roswell paperwork concerning a flying saucer crash would be classified TOP SECRET (if not ATS), and would probably be sitting in a Pentagon vault now unavailable to our eyes.


Not even important enough for anyone to either get promoted or demoted for.


That's nonsense. This was hardly a "nonevent." The commander of the one and only atomic bomber base issues a press release that they have a flying saucer, initializing a press feeding frenzy that totally disrupted the routine at the Pentagon, including that of acting Chief of Staff Vandenberg, who newspapers said took personal charge of the public relations fiasco, and extended to all the phone lines into Roswell AAF and Fort Worth AAF. Gen. Ramey similarly has his day disrupted and is embarrassed, because his subcommand at Roswell is staffed by senior officers who can't make a simple ID of a balloon, and then seriously compound their incompetence by issuing a highly inflamatory press release that they have a flying disc, only to be quickly revealed as idiots by Gen. Ramey who quickly ID's it as a balloon.

Military careers have been cut short for far less than this. This wasn't some minor base in Greenland. It was the AAF's atomic bomber base. There definitely would have been an investigation if this is all that happened. Vandenberg and Ramey would have insisted on it. Heads of some senior officers at Roswell would have rolled. But in reality, there was no investigation, and none of the senior officers careers suffered. Quite the contrary.

Here's a document that proves it: Gen. Ramey's evaluation of that incompetent intelligence officer Marcel a year later as he was being transferred to higher intelligence jobs

www.roswellproof.com...

Ramey calls Marcel "outstanding," says he has nobody in his command to replace him, and thinks him command officer material. Read it.

An intel officer who can't ID a simple balloon is neither outstanding, command officer material, nor hard to replace. Obviously Ramey knew full well Marcel didn't screw up anything, otherwise he wouldn't be complimenting him as he is here.


And after a week or so, the base was back to dull, ordinary business as usual. Again, hardly what you'd expect if something really extraordinary happened.


The debris field was cleaned up, the debris, main disk, and bodies had been shipped somewhere else, so why shouldn't the base then return to normal? There is some testimony from soldiers there that the base went into lockdown during the height of the events. But why would it remain permanently locked down?


But this is getting away from the Ramey Memo, which I'm still playing with, and still coming up with not much in the way of useful evidence.


Well, I think even you agree now that the work "'disc'" and also "weather balloons" are there. The memo is about Roswell in some way, not the base picnic.
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