Were We Warned Off The Moon By Aliens?

I think If we did encounter aliens, we would have started a joint operations base on the moon (and Mars). Minus the publics awareness of whats going on.

I think the civillian space program may have been introduced to the black space program. These were the craft Armstrong refers to. Neil and Buzz musta felt like a pair of gooses. They were just the first guys there with TV cameras.

So essentially the aliens would be like really really old men waving their canes at the kids that trample their 40 million square kilometer garden (or whatever size it is)?

Hm, I dont the warned off deal. The aliens could have simple told us to land in one particular area if they wanted too keep everything going as normal.

Originally posted by DuncanIdahoGholem
I think the civillian space program may have been introduced to the black space program. These were the craft Armstrong refers to. Neil and Buzz musta felt like a pair of gooses. They were just the first guys there with TV cameras.

But if they wanted to keep it under wraps, why should the Black Ops projects, supposedly already operating on the Moon, expose themselves? They would've kept it secret even from NASA's astronauts.

Remember what Armstrong had said? "Those babies are huge"! And the coloured prism shaped objects seen by them across the crater, were probably of alien origin as the technology seems way ahead of ours considering their shapes and modes of propulsion.

Cheers!

I don't think so mike. Imagine seeing a 35 - 45 metre saucer. I don't know where you got the prisim stuff.

And by the way there was light before our big(small) bang. Sol wasn't built in a day you know.

[edit on 27-5-2007 by DuncanIdahoGholem]

Originally posted by mikesingh
Remember what Armstrong had said? "Those babies are huge"!

So? Men says that all the time

Personally, I would prefer that aliens did indeed warn us off the moon. I'd feel much better about that, than the more mundane reality: by the early 1970s, under the "leadership" of President Nixon, we simply lost the political will to continue.

I think the contemporary (and shortsighted,) notion was that we had fulfilled the commitment JFK had made, i.e. to get to the moon before the Soviets did. Having won "the space race," we could get back to our primary occupation of killing commies and driving large cars, and forget about all that "science" and "exploration" crap. Conservatives thought it was money wasted on "moondoggles" and pie-in-the-sky; liberals argued that the money should be spent on combating society's ills, such as poverty and racism.

Thus we turned our backs on our birthright and (better) destiny, and elected not to be a spacefaring civilization.

Like I said, I think it would've been much better to have aliens involved. It certainly would have made for a more interesting world to live in.

Just my two cents,
Baack

i read a while ago (on here maybe....not sure) that when we landed on the moon there was a ringing, like hitting a bell. It was straight away said, no it is not hollow it is metals or what not on the surface that made this sound. Which could be possible since there are things like that on Earth that can do the same. But it just gets you thinking, no one proved what caused that ringing when we landed, maybe it is hollow. but a space ship ? if theres more then 1 race and 1 iss hostile, i odnt imagin a hollowed out rock would help much.

I agree with the majority view that it was due to lack of public interest and the various events that were happening closer to home that put the nail in the nasa moon coffin.

However, I was thinking that the timing of the next mission could possibly be down to (US government?) calculations concerning the depletion of fuel & the likelyhood that the worlds nations will become increasingly more unstable over the resulting fuel/power issues.

The mining of Helium 3 which can be found in relative abundance (apparently) on the moon could be the solution the world will be looking for..

BBC Horizon recently aired a programme on this subject which proved to be very interesting..

www.bbc.co.uk...


My tuppence

Berth

Originally posted by mikesingh
Termination of the Apollo program was a smoke screen. It probably continued for some more time with the help of the black budget as CP just brought out.

They didn't hide the launch of a Saturn rocket for an Apollo mission. Reminds me of the "Secret Apollo 20" thread on ATS. My belief is if anti gravity craft were available for moon missions in the early '70s, we the public would know about it by now. The secret couldn't be kept for 35+ years as too many people would be involved over that time.

Maybe it took several mission for the "warn off" to set in with NASA or the cover up required several more missions to prevent questions. I really think we stopped for the given economic reasons.

Moon missions do not make money like wars and other ventures here on earth do.

[edit on 5/27/2007 by roadgravel]

I grew up dreaming of a future in space science research as an American growing up in Canada only to grow up and find the fiscal bones picked clean. I think it was a combination of factors that prevented us from returning to the moon after Apollo with funding and public interest at the top of the list.

Most research budgets haven't kept pace with inflation and public interest in non-medical scientific persuits wane as the quality of public education declines. It seemed that once the space race was won, there was little motivation to try and reach Mars, which we were not capable of reaching and really couldn't afford at the time anyway.

Iraq continues to depelete research funds at an alarming rate and I am very disappointed in the democrats for caving to Bush on that war funding bill. America is not a bottomless money pit! I think the current issue in space exploration is more complicated than it was originally. In addition to funding cuts and waning public interest (always someone claiming our problems at home are bigger than feeding the need to explore), there is no money to be made in the short-term from human space exploration. This is not true over the long run but we are a greedy, impatient and narrow-minded society.

In Iraq, the public sees black gold... oil to power our economy and continue driving us on the persuit of even more money... Think we won't scrape some of that oil revenue off the surface as payment for rebuilding the infrastructure we destroyed in Iraq? I can't see the Bush administration passing up such an opportunity! The moon is inaccessible to private citizens whereas terrestrial resources are fair game for capital gain. What's in it for the average citizen in the next year if we return to the moon now? Not much-- particularly if there is little interest in science.

Do we even need aliens in the picture to send us packing with so much against lunar exploration already? I don't think anyone's completely over the money pit called the ISS yet either... As for the image posted initially, I don't see anything but NASA's poor patchwork in assembling a larger image. I couldn't tell you what's in it definitively but I suspect it's a natural lunar image that has not yet been completed before release as opposed to an intentional attempt to obscure any structures. I have a pretty nice telescope I use to take my own lunar photographs and I haven't seen anything resembling a synthetic structure. We need better evidence to merit further consideration. I never conclude anything without definitive proof but we need more if we're going to take this seriously.

Originally posted by mikesingh

Originally posted by Dulcimer

And smudging by NASA? Wouldn't it be easier for them to just not release a photograph that showed something?

They try! But then a lot of people ask a lot of questions. And if there is a missing sheet in the mosaic, then NASA would be hard put to explain why it is so. They have no alternative to release the photographs. They have to!

So if there's something strange, the only way out is to tamper the images.

Cheers!

They tried to?

Do you have some reference for this?

I believe alien bases in Antarctica are more of a concern than those on the moon.

You young whippersnappers just don't remember.

Aliens didn't kill the Apollo program. Richard Nixon did. And he was helped by the American people, who completely lost interest in lunar exploration after the U.S. "won" that politically driven space race. We did it, it was cool for a couple of years, then it quickly became incredibly boring and very hard to generate any enthusiasm over a bunch of crummy rock samples.

The economy at the time was lousy, the automobile and steel factories were closing down, inflation was barely being held in check by price controls, people wanted out of Vietnam and wanted the government to spend money on social programs, not to waste it on a lot of boring science experiments. Nixon, who hated the Kennedys, was thrilled to pull the plug on JFK's sacred program in an effort to look like he was doing something positive to keep the federal budget under control.

So it was back to low Earth orbit and Skylab, which fell on Australia, and then the Shuttle, which was an inefficient patch-job almost from the beginning.

To this day, only a very small percentage of the U.S. population considers lunar exploration important, and may have a valid argument that the current scientific work being done in space is marginal, compared to the incredible costs involved, particularly with Ronald Reagan's multi-billion dollar despised white elephant, the International Space Station.

We didn't need no steenking aliens to keep us off the Moon. We had and still have plenty of ordinary people capable of doing the job.

X-tal_Phusion,

I must compliment you on your excellent post!

However, I would like to mention that we would be naïve to think that the Moon program was terminated because of funding. There was and is too much at stake here. That the Apollo project receded from public mind once the co called Moon race was over, resulting in the slashing of funds leading to the demise of the program is a simplistic notion to cling to.

There was much more involved here than just the Moon race with the erstwhile Soviet Union. The Moon was and is a repository of exotic materials like helium-3, which is considered more precious than oil. The most promising resource on the Moon is helium-3. Researchers and space enthusiasts see it as the perfect fuel source: extremely potent, nonpolluting, with virtually no radioactive by-product. Proponents claim it’s the fuel of the 21st century. The trouble is, hardly any of it is found on Earth. But there is plenty of it on the Moon.

An intriguing lunar map had been developed by scientists in Arizona and Hawaii which shows places where helium-3 can be found on the Moon.

The red indicates an abundance of helium-3 on the
Moon's surface.

It would only require 25 tons of helium-3 to provide all the power that the United States needs in a year at $4 billion a ton in terms of its energy equivalent in oil.

Although President Bush in January revealed his preliminary intentions to jump-start future U.S. space missions, The Peacock Report (TPR) obtained planning documents revealing the possibility of constructing nuclear power plants on the moon, where “both human and robotic agents” would operate technology production facilities.

And this idea was probably conceived in the 60s but had to be abandoned. Why?

Why suddenly think of ‘jump-starting’ the process again at this juncture? Why the 50 year gap? Why has it suddenly become important NOW, in spite of the trillions of dollars being spent for the Iraq war? How come the finances are available now in spite of the seemingly bottomless financial holes that are Iraq, Afghanistan and so on?

And then, in the long run, is it more cost effective operationally and administratively to build the ISS or establishing a base on the Moon? Almost 150 billion dollars for the ISS so far, and counting! And then, for how long would the space station last? Much lesser that the Moon, I guess!! So all this talk of financial constraints leading to the demise of the Moon shots, is naive to say the least.

So there was some other reason for discontinuing the Moon program. And that PROBABLY is what I've mentioned in the opening post.

And I haven’t said anything about the Moon perhaps being a hollow artificial satellite, with advanced alien technology inside, that black ops was and is desperate to lay their hands on! That’s because at the present juncture, I haven’t the faintest clue whether that’s true or not! But what do we know?

The country that has control of Energy, rules the world!


Cheers!

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[edit on 28-5-2007 by mikesingh]

Mike,

I understand your theory, and somewhat agree that there is something amiss going on the moon. However your posts are really starting to grate on me. I've stopped posting on them because I think you are really just trying to obtain points for your profile, however I feel that I have to say something to just get it off my chest. Your photo evidence is sketchy at best. The photo you posted is a joke. I understand you wanting to raise awareness of certain hypothetical questions, but your ongoing "photo evidence" threads do nothing to advance your theories.

This one takes the cake. I would love for you to outline what YOU see in your photo that isnt the equivalent to staring into the clouds. . .

Good subject!
I was watching a few vids by a guy that interviews astronauts to try to proof that those missions were a hoax. I do NOT believe that, but he was right about one thing: when you watch Armstrong and co in their press conference you can smell the trouble behind the scenes. So i will not go into the details of the socalled moonhoax. I will go as far to say that if there is fake film or photomaterial going around, I can believe that it was made out of publicity reasons, but for the conclucion i trust my intuition.

I watched the entire press conference
( video.google.co.uk... )

and TWO things jumped at me with force:
1. fear and sorrow, Armstrong had the emotional radiation of someone that lost his family, his son, his...career? Instead of feeliing BIG, they (especially Armstrong) felt very SMALL.
2. When the talk focuses on the matter of the technicalities and the emotion of the trip and landing itself you can see that this is real. They were there. Or at least totally believe that they were there.

My impression is they went into the candystore, but are not allowed to tell about the living and breathing candies of outer space.

although interesting to think of and cool if it eventually was true i have to say that data errors in a photo and the budget running dry are no indications to me of aliens shooing us off the moon.

Amongus!

Thanks a ton for the encouragement! Well, its beyond my comprehension why you always keep coming back to read my threads!! You should avoid them like the plague, what? Because what you see are just 'bunnies' in those monsoon clouds!

And by the way, I love those comments of yours. Makes one work harder for discovering better evidence like showing you Las Vegas style casinos on the Moon as well as Mars with the accompanying look-alike McLaren International Airports near-by, complete with beer bars and alien florists selling exquisite bouquets of flowers imported from galaxies far far away!!

Well, I'll wager nothing else will convince you. For, anything less means just those bunnies in the clouds!!

And oh, by the way, here's one for the road...before you press the 'ignore' button!!


Source: Naval Research Lab
DoD/NASA/JPL
Reproduced with permission of JP Skipper

Cheers! Have a nice day!


[edit on 28-5-2007 by mikesingh]