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The Bible Warned Us About The Greys. Evidence?

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posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 12:33 AM
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Sounds like the nordic type their always the light in a sea of dark.

people seem to call beings by different names
If helpful, their angels , if not demons ,if not religous then aliens.




posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by BattleofBatoche
Africans invented chocolate, not the myans.


That is incorrect, cocoa comes from a South American plant and was used by the Mayans long before it was introduced to Africa.



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 07:35 AM
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To all responding to this thread,

Before I start, ... like many here I was a die-hard "unbeliever" until serving in the Israeli miltary. In 1983 I was privileged [or unfortunate] enough to be in the room taking notes as our equivalent of the national security council met to discuss recent incidents involving our fighters..other 'friendlies' and 'God's air-force"..[!] our euphemism for UFO's. That was, indeed, the day my life changed forever, and it was the turn-ariound point for me. I saw general's ffaces go white when confronted with some of the evidence put before them in that [and subsequent] meetings..and I will tell you that we had liasons there from the NSA among others as we tried to get a comprehensive picture of things being observed and reported by some of our most reliable, experienced and combat-hardened pilots ..our radar technicians, communications specialists....we even had a scholar there specialized in the mystic 'kabala'..the same thing madonna is now into..and , unusual in the xtreme for such a meeting, we had a cluster of scholars from the Teknion and Ben-Gurion universities specialized in physics, ethereal math, archaeology and artifacts..strange for a meeting about things zipping by our F-111's at several times the speed of sound [without breaking the sound barrier!] and coming to dead stops over the Dead Sea...before hurtling off as before or into the deep blue of space.

One other thing I'd like to mention before launching into this.. and that is the Star of David symbol as seen on the Israeli national flag.
I know there are many stories about its meaning, origins, mystic or magic powers..yada yada..and they all have their attractions.
However, in the minds of the chief rabbis the symbol's revelatory meaning is quite simple: 'As above, so below"...an implicit reminder that what we do on earth is reflected in the heavens..and vice-versa.. And please., please, understand this, too...we [jews] do not believe in 'heaven' as a reward in the 'after-life' for good deeds done on earth. That has neever been our understanding of 'heaven'..and 'angels'are not long departed souls from this mortal coil who have found favor in the eyes of a celestial gate-keeper.
They. to us, are an entirely 'alien' race with powers of their own, and a unique relationship to a very 'real' central authority...one that is at war with others for our bit of turf..this blue planet.
That is the simple, unvarnished truth of the matter...which I leave it to you to believe or disbelieve according to your own lights.

Now then, to the disbleievers...yes, I quite agree..an awful lot of what we read in the Bible IS to be taken metaphorically..the rabbis know that and so do most serious Christian scholars.
Having said that, the most frequently cited Bible verses pro-and con are normally taken from woefully inadequate interpretations and translations..such as the King James or Revised Standard...and to be fair much of what the ancient translators were decoding made no sense to them whatsoever..and so they did their best without a comprehension of what was really in front of them.
For instance...when one reads about The Lord of hosts..or hosts of angels in these translations, what is really being discussed? What is a 'host' exactly?
It is an old English term for a military force..but the translators were at a loss as to how to explain God as peace-loving and all good when He clearly was a military leader.
Evidence for that abounds in both Old and new testaments but perhaps the best example of the 'truth'hiding in palin sight can be found in Joshua 5:14 when a stranger bearing a sword reveals himself to Joshua to be "a commander of God's army".
Strange, don't you think that Joshua, now the leader of God's one and only "chosen people" is given a lesson in tactics and strategy from a commander of "God's army."

Oh, yes..and a word about the use of 'strangers' to describe the angels who visit Abraham, Lot, Joshua and others. To be a stranger in those times was to be from some place so far away as it might as well be from a different planet.
Understand we are talking about nomadic tribes who graze and trade with other socieities spread across a huge range of the planet...we are talking spices and silks from lands as far away as india, and the steppes of Russia..some scholars now admit there was trade with S.America and China..but that is beyond the point. Go look at all the names for tribes and peoples found in genesis and Exodus..Amorites, Hittites, egyptians, jebusite, perrizites...we read of dozens of local and non-local tribes and clans..and nationalities..distinctive by the way they appear and dress..dozens and then some. So to read of 'strangers' commanding such respect or terror that at the very first sight of them one is prone to fall on one's knees and give obeisance is very remarkable, indeed. If a synonym for 'stranger is 'alien', then stranger should be spelled with a capitol 'S'.

But let's start at the beginning..in Genesis....the 'proof that we are dealing with an other than omnipotent being masquerading as 'God'is to be found eveywhere in the first chapters of Genesis if only one applies a bit of rabbinical analysis to the text. By that i mean, going through the text, verse by verse, word by word and asking why things are said a certain way ..

Example; After eating from the fruit of knowledge Adam and Eve realize they are naked and go into hiding...God goes looking for them, and when he asks why they hid in the bushes Adam replies "because we were naked and ashamed".. 'Who told you you were naked? ". God wants to know.

What does that tell us? [and why cite it as evidence for UFO's?]
Well three things actually, if you just take the minute to ask the critical questions.
First, It tells us that God is not all-seeing and all knowing , since he cannot initially find Adam and Eve..but more importantly it tells us that:
- God is not naked either..in fact that he must be wearing garments of some kind and has been observed slipping in and out of them.
And what kind of omnipotent being needs to wear clothes..to what purpose..to keep from getting cold, wet, sunburned, bitten by insects?
Doesn't that tell us that God is not at one with his enviornment, unlike every other living thing on planet earth.
Or perhaps it is a uniform of some kind upon which he can display his rank..but to whom? Surely not to impress Adam and Eve...
But about this being naked, thing...ask the critical questions....

[Think! ] How would Adam and Eve get a concept of nudity vs. non-nudity unless there was someone in their immediate area whom they observed to be wearing clothes?
Animals do not wear fig leaves and have no concept of nudity. So if Adam and Eve got the notion that they needed clothes or covering, they can only have gotten it from someone observed getting dressed and undressed. Get it?
Lastly, and by far more germaine to this discussion is God's third question [the first two being where are you..and why are you hiding]
"Who told you that you were naked? "
Well now...if that isn't the dead give-away question of the ages I don't know what is.
Note He asks 'Who told you...?"and not 'How did you get that idea?,or even What makes you think you are naked? No, No..God asks 'Who"and that implies a 'third party'.
God is wondering 'who else' has been communing with his gardener..which one of his cohorts or enemies has tampered with his experiment..and that implies more than one 'god'running around on planet earth..and that God knows [as Adam and Eve do] that he is not alone...there is an 'other'a "who'
In Genesis god also despairs of his angels coming down to mate with human females [genesis 6] and admits being powerless to stop the contamination of the gene pool.
The rabbis [and secret societies] have long known that the Bible, for all its flaws, is still the closest we have to a coherent chronicle of our species and its relationship to off-planet powers.
Now, I'm sure we can debate the Bible at length,,and I am happy to do so..but before some of the more orthodox christians and die-hard unbelievers get all fired up with their arguments, may I please refer you to these sites [below] where you will find a wealth of evidence yet to be explained away by either Creationists or Evolutionists..or skeptics of UFO-logy.

The evidence to support the biblical account of alien interference in human affairs is beyond that which can be debated..even if there were no sightings of UFO's currently making headlines in cities around the world on a daily basis.

As for links to back these claims..there are dozens....and perhaps the best place to start is here:
www.world-mysteries.com...
and here
www.anomalies-unlimited.com...
or how about here
www.anomalies-unlimited.com...

As for those who want to bend their minds by arguing with or around the science of it all.. i suggest you go here and do the reading and come up with an alternative theory to explain the physical evidence..one which is more 'earthly' and plausible.
www.unexplainable.net...
&
tvufo.tripod.com...
&
paranormal.about.com...

I would be glad to post Biblical references galore for those who still are not convinced that the holy texts contain evidence of Alien interference with human development, but again...one only needs to ask the critical questions to arrive at the right place...

Go to the story of Lot being rescued from Sodom by two 'angels'sent by God.
Genesis 19, the whole chapter. Lot is in such a state of anxiety that any harm would come to these 'lords' visiting his town [clearly hostile to their presence as unwanted strangers] that he insists they stay in his house and not in the town square. When a crowd gathers demanding he send them out so they can 'have sex'with the strangers Lot, the God-fearing relative of Abraham offers his virgin daughters to the crowd to appease them [!] Genesis 19:8
Now I ask you..any fathers or mothers reading this..if an angry mob was at your door shouting for you to give up two strangers seeking refuge in your house, or enjoying hospitallity and protection under your roof..would you offer your children up as sexual sacrifices to appease them? Or would you offer up the strangers? Or would you do neither and be content to pray and take your chances when the mob stormed your door?
Well, gee...hmmm..send my virgin daughters, my flesh and blood out to be raped..or offend God by delivering his servants into the arms of the 'evil-doers'....hmmm..choices, choices.
But never fear, God's angels can take care of themselves since, with sticks they blind the crowd so that they cannot find the doors or the gates..
Now that must have sounded fantastic to the ancient scribes and translators..but it should be quite easy for us to imagine..given our current state of technology. We have non-lethal 'blinding' weapons and have been waiting for chances to use them..even considered using them in Somalia a long while ago. So it really doesn't sound like hocus-pocus, mumbo-jumbo stuff anymore as it might have all those centuries ago..or to the those who are born 'unbelievers'.

How would you describe the cloning process to natives of the amazonian rain-forest..or the aboriginals in Borneo..would it be far different than the one given to us in Genesis..Eve being a clone of Adam, the new species of man?

Like the poster of this initial, thread maintains, you either want to believe or you don't..and no amount of 'evidence'will convince you if you don't want to be convinced.
I can respect your desire to disbelieve evidence of the unbelievable
But there does come a point when you go from being a skeptic to someone more aptly described as living in denial..which, as I'm sure most of you will agree..is not just a river in egypt..

-Sincerely
-Shai



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 03:24 PM
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I want to thank you for the essay. I believe it provides an angle of which I had not thought. To me it seemed to be presented as a possible angle, not as the findings of a life long scientific experiment, therefore it doesn't require charts, graphs, quotes, proof, and the Pope's blessing.
It was a refreshing read, and whether or not I agree, I appreciate the thought which went into your work.

Skye



posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 04:16 PM
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I totally agree with you shai,
you ve done your research, go farther down the rabbit hole.
If you go deeper youll be as confused as me:

saraphum = flying serpents of god - top angles, 9 orders of angels
good snake

nahash = serpent being with legs and arms , in garden of eden.
God hacked off arms/legs forever as punishment becomeing snake.
bad snake

Both are snakes both are reptiles.
GOD and SATAN , 2 sides of same coin !!!!

They were here before us and have never left people.
They are still here below us, but now the devil has new names,
like reptoid,lizard,dragon,serpent-race,reptilian,dinosaur-race,raptors,saurians and on and on.....

research THE BOOK OF ENOCH, it says both angels were like serpents!
Those angels were argueing over the control of mankind!
Enoch was the man who never died cause GOD TOOK HIM in a chariot of fire/UFO alive! He was also the defence of the NEPHILUM , and cain's son.
the same cain who slew abel ! also same man who had a grandson nammed NOAH !

enoch was the the 3rd man to ever live on earth/terra
or ADAMs 1st grandson.

So much for punishing cains seed huh.
noah repopulated the world,
we are cains seed.

catholic church left it out, hmmmmm
And didnt god say "they have become as GODS"?
jesus said "YOU ARE the kingdom of heaven" , your in heaven, you are part of it . heaven = space.
Did satan lie? we never died as god said we would.
Did that snake not give us the truth?

SHouldnt we make our independence from god/gods and do our own bidding without continuous external influences?
Do not HUMANS have HUMAN needs at heart?
Thats like leaving it up to foriegners to rule america for us.

God or Devil I reject them both...
AT least , untill one of them can prove they are who they say they are!
How would you feel if your christian god was a lizard?
wouldnt he lose all power over you instanylly?
hence the DECEPTION would be OVER!

Or would you serve the serpent regardless?







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posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 06:14 PM
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Never mind.


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posted on Jan, 18 2005 @ 11:35 PM
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I think the bible ahs many passages that may refer to aliens. But all "evidence" does not point to " greys" being envolved with the bible.

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1. Greys are not giants.
2. Greys do not have " wings" ( angles)
3. Greys do not have reproductive capiblititilies.
4> ect. ( read the bible) """"""



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 01:25 AM
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I belive the wings werent real with all angels only representing that they had flight capability or UFOS.
But there are reptoid beings desribed as winged in some reports IE demons or gargoyles and strangely angels of gods throne "saraph" or plural "saraphum" means "flying serpents".

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posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 01:43 AM
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Cherubim, a type of angel from the Bible, definately had wings. The description of how to build the Ark of the Covenant proves this:

Exodus 25:17-22 (NIV)

17 "Make an atonement cover of pure gold-two and a half cubits long and a cubit and a half wide. 18 And make two cherubim out of hammered gold at the ends of the cover. 19 Make one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; make the cherubim of one piece with the cover, at the two ends. 20 The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover. 21 Place the cover on top of the ark and put in the ark the Testimony, which I will give you. 22 There, above the cover between the two cherubim that are over the ark of the Testimony, I will meet with you and give you all my commands for the Israelites.



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 03:40 AM
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keep diging cheribum were not men but simular.
some have physical wings
some are depicted with wings only to show they flew

like sun disk of RA had wings do you mean to tell me the sun has wings?

I like the great seal of yours


"May providence favor our undertakings in this new order of ages"


ps how do i get an avatar up

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posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 05:00 AM
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Originally posted by amantine
- "a fascination with pyramids and aliens" Where do you see proof of this fascination with aliens?


ufoartwork.com...



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 05:55 AM
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Originally posted by lizzardsamok
I belive the wings werent real with all angels only representing that they had flight capability or UFOS.
But there are reptoid beings desribed as winged in some reports IE demons or gargoyles and strangely angels of gods throne "saraph" or plural "saraphum" means "flying serpents".

[edit on 19-1-2005 by lizzardsamok]


Dear Lizzardsmok, et al


I believe you are on the right track with this..sort of...
Let me expalin the concept which underlies the analysis and one that often is overlooked by us moderns trying to make sense of ancient texts...and that is the limits of vocabulary extant at the time.
For instance, we all know about Moses and the burning bush, right? Remember how freaked he was because the bush was ablaze but did not burn? I'm sure that sounded perfectly miraculous until the invention of the lightbulb, becuase up until then the only way to get a light at night was to start a fire. Period.
Moses and his folk knew words for fire, bush, light...but had no knowledge of flashlights, spotlights, lasers, or any other projected light source which did not involve a fire of some kind...So how does Moses go tell his folks what he just saw? .I mean what could one do but use the words most likely to describe this hitherto unseen phenomenon... make up a brand new word for it, which no one who hadn't seen the 'burning bush'would understand? [Reality needs a witness]

We have much more modern examples of that kind of thing ..for instance the American old west..y'know, cowboys and indians. White settlers had words for trains..we called them trains! But when the redmen saw the first trains they went running back to their people telling tales of what they had just seen using the only words they knew that could convey the concept of what they had seen. They knew iron and they knew horses. Horses carry people.
To them a train was an Iron Horse..that was the closest approximation to what they had witnessed, given their vocabularic limits.

I suspect it was the same with Moses and the burning bush, Lot's angels and their blinding sticks, etc.
I suspect the same is true in a lot of the ancient texts...so no wonder the rabbis are hesitant to embrace what we read in the Torah as something to take literally. We understand it as a child's version of a very complicated story..we know that within or behind the 'obvious lie' is a doorway to the truth of the matter...and we suspect that the key to unlocking the mystery is in the Book of Daniel.

Before you all go looking for it, let me also point out something which, again, many of you may not realize..and that is hebrew is a 3D language.
Our alphabet is really also a number system as well as a step by step guide to life a life..every letter in our alphabet is a unique number, a unique word and a letter to be used in forming other words. All words in Hebrew have a three letter root..
And that is why kabala study is being encouraged by some of the more radical reb's in judaism now...in hopes some bright mind will see the pattern in Daniel and unlock the rest of the Torah for us..reveal the way to restore contact with our Creator.

I cannot stress my final point enough...this is our conundrum..we israelis...you see, the very fact that we are being buzzed by God's air force, that our best and brightest cannot find ways of protecting our most secret installations from being [at times routinely] compromised by other-worldly craft, impervious to our scans and defenses..including ems pulses and the like..that no grey or nord has come walking into the chief rabbinate's offices in Jerusalem asking to meet the guy in charge..or the prime minister..tells us that we are not, and maybe never were the 'chosen people' we thought we were..
Now what!?

-Sincerely
-Shai



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 06:00 AM
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If you haven’t seen this passage before I suggest checking out the book of Ezekiel. From a biblical standpoint, this story pretty much comes out of left-field. Ezekiel had otherworldly inspiration not from angels, not from the lord...but fromcreatures.

The biblical account is pretty detailed, how else would you describe a UFO before the invention of the aeroplane...or even the car for that matter.



4 And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire.

5 Also out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance; they had the likeness of a man.
Remember these were creatures, not angelic beings

6 And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.

7 And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass.
Space suit anyone?

8 And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings.

9 Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward.

10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.

11 Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies.

12 And they went every one straight forward: whither the spirit was to go, they went; and they turned not when they went.

13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.

14 And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.

15 Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.

16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.
Sounds like he's describing a classic UFO to me

17 When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.

18 As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.
Ok, the disc shaped object was high in the sky with lights around it.

19 And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
Anti-gravity propulsion

20 Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 06:17 AM
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Originally posted by U.S. Patriot

Originally posted by Garon
I meant what I said. Catholic and Christian alike. As a majority, they will never admit to anything like this.


How could we? Really, if it is written so let it be said and shown.


you asked for it ,, you got it ... Your faith will most likely force you to rebuke Christ and accept the lie told by so called scholars. Jesus predicted as much. This chapter echoes it ..

Book of Revelation
Chapter 10


10:1
And I saw another "MIGHTY" angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:

The top of this verse contains the word "MIGHTY" ... This is the same word used in Genesis 6 to describe the offspring of the Union between the 'gods' and 'women" ... My Bible(circa 1943 KJV) denotes a direct reference in the margin of Revelations.
6:4
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became "MIGHTY" men which were of old, men of renown.


So here we are told about the DESCENSION of an angel directly connected to the same 'species' who were said responsible for GOD destroying the World via a flood.

Now lets move on ....

It also denotes a direct reference to the book of matthew(17, transfiguration) where the description of this angel is concerned,
"and his face was as it were the sun" ....
Matt 17:2
And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.


We are being told that this mighty angel descends claiming to be Christ ....

The Chapter tells this quite clearly in later verses .....

10:5
And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,

10:6
And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

10:9
And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 06:36 AM
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Excellent post ShawNee922!


That's pretty much how I thought it would play out, but I wasn't aware of such a direct reference to the nephalim there. I know about Jesus saying in the end of times it will be as in the time of Noah -- another connection.

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posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 06:41 AM
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"For instance, we all know about Moses and the burning bush, right? Remember how freaked he was because the bush was ablaze but did not burn? I'm sure that sounded perfectly miraculous until the invention of the lightbulb, becuase up until then the only way to get a light at night was to start a fire. Period. "

There is a depiction of a fully functional 'lightbulb' on the wall of a pyramid that pre-dates moses ....

But, yes... I agree whole heartedly with you on what is being described ... We should not forget that 'god' traveled by pilar of fire at night and pilar of cloud by day ....

This perfectly matches the descriptions given to us by people who claim to witness a ufo ...



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 07:03 AM
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Originally posted by Shai

-Sincerely
-Shai


I like your thinking man .... Only problem I see is that this "GOD" you speak of created the "sons of god" with his own bare hands.
The term literally means "created with his own hands" ...

So GOD destroyed the World according to the bible because of creatures GOD genetically engineered.

GOD(Elohim) is plural and so the verse depicting his conversation with adam denotes Adam was speaking to a 'committee' of sorts .....

Jesus does not speak of elohim as his father but rather as part of the imposter clan ... He was born into a 'fatherless' World ....

"YOU HAVE NEVER KNOWN MY FATHER" ... Jesus told this to the most religious Jews on the face of the Earth,,, Jews who knew Elohim quite well ...

The GOD being worshipped on Earth is by definition anti-christ ...

x-tians, jews and muslims alike are all worshipping aliens as creator ....
They are merely in denial, a denial that they will be awakened from by their so called god ...



posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 03:10 PM
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Read moses again you totaly left out the flying serpents and the saraphs.

this is were we get the cuadis or medical symbol.

I f you want truth that pre dates jews look into hopi indian creation.
hopis belive we are entering 5th world jews recorded history only goes back 1/3 as far.

And notice the reptile is everywhere and your eyes open.

and if you wanted to make a nephilum/UFO connection to jesus why not include the virgin birth /artificial ensemination

were god took mary impregnated her with his alien seed making a half man half god/alien.



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posted on Jan, 19 2005 @ 03:35 PM
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One thing I would like to point out is that Armageddon is a lingual distortion of "Har Megiddo". Which is a plain in the middle east where many of Israel's battles have taken place.



posted on Jan, 20 2005 @ 03:24 AM
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Originally posted by Garon
I have never heard of any connections to Greys in the bible. Are you implying God created other sentient life besides humans? On other planets? The christian population will NEVER admit to that. Let Pat Robertson get his hands on that....


There has been a ton of talk about this very connection for many, many years...



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