And, according to Greer, this is not just a mystical or spiritual concept, but something that also has a scientific basis where you can eventually
work out the physics of it and actually develop technologies that make use of that Oneness. So eventually, Science and Spirituality will merge and
there will be no need for "religion" at all! Because that Oneness or "cosmic consciousness" is something that everyone will be able to experience
and know for themselves...."
Originally posted by zoomein
Greer CLAIMS it is also physics. WEe know it is a religious concept, because we know the history of this idea originates in India's Advaita Vedanta
philosophy. But you see, when you look closely at that idea, what it has caused is a culture which has a caste system. Because it promotes this
abstract idea of a 'One' everyone must aspire to, this means those who don't or can't are classes as low down in the 'karmic' scale.
Well, it is not a question of "aspiring" to it, of one person being more "One" than another. All it means is that everything in the Universe is
unified, at a level that goes beyond the speed of light and our usual 3-D existence. No matter how much people might try to separate themselves from
other people and from God, they are inextricably and forever connected and unified with everyone and everything else! And this is something that
anyone can experience, by accessing "God consciousness" or "cosmic consciousness".
People do it every day without even realizing it. How many people have had the experience where they see something in a dream or vision and it later
happens exactly like in the dream? How many people have had "intuitions" or "gut feelings" that they couldn't explain that turned out to be true?
How many people have had the experience where it seems like they are being guided by "coincidences" - that are so powerful and uncanny that they
couldn't possibly be mere coincidences?
But where is the actual physics that demonstrates this? At the moment, Greer is offering no evidence of this.
Correct. The technologies would be VERY advanced, so it is a bit of a leap, no doubt about it.
I am not a physicist and I only have a basic understanding of these things, but as far as I know there is some evidence in mainstream quantum physics
to support this. Like they have found that particle A can somehow communicate with particle B at faster-than-light speeds, with no apparent exchange
of energy or anything like that. Which would indicate a connection between them at a level that goes beyond the speed of light and ordinary EM
Maybe someone with more knowledge of quantum physics could speak to this...
Millerman: "It's unfortunate that Greer is so closely associated with the process of Disclosure, that when many people give up on
Greer - they give up on Disclosure! When what is needed is the exact opposite, is thousands of people working together on it...."
EXACTLY, this is the main essence of this thread exploration. We are trying to trat this subject very seriously. With no help from the DP site which
seems closed off to inquiry. Interaction!
Well, what many people don't realize is that TDP is extremely, almost absurdly low-budget. As far as I know they don't even have a formal staff; it
is basically just Greer and maybe a handful of close friends/associates that help him on an informal basis.
Greer and disclosureproject.org probably get THOUSANDS of emails and requests all the time, and of course there is no way for him to deal with them
If you check the thread that tezzajw linked you to, I have tried to get many people from this site emailing CSETI in order to force a response from
him, but what I got was mostly silence and apathy.....
So yeah I would love for this site to achieve a real relationship and interaction with Greer, but it would require many people getting involved and
actively doing things, and I don't see that happening any time soon, what with all the cries of "Cult Greer" and all that....
Since CSETI has been operative for over 15 years, where are all the hundreds or thousands of "victims" who have been out on these
expeditions and saw NO UFOs? Why can't you find them and produce some compelling evidence of them?
If you can't answer my question, that would seem to indicate that you are wrong about Greer conning people.........
Is this so. I have read some reports at UFO evidence that this is so. Not 'thousands' but people close to Greer.
NOW, HOW are we going to find out about this? It is a question needing answering right now. So how are we going to go about finding
Perhaps we could get one highly respected member of this site out on one of these CSETI expeditions with a camera and find out for 100% sure what goes
I think it only costs around $800, that should be a trivial amount for the members of this site to scrounge up. But, again, that would require many
people not only taking an interest but actively getting involved and contributing, and I doubt that will happen - it's much easier for people to just
write CSETI off as "Cult Greer" and dismiss it......
[edit on 26-5-2007 by millerman]