Originally posted by joehayner
I will remind you again that I am not a right-winger. I have some conservative ideals, but I remain mostly moderate.

You are neither hot nor cold but lukewarm in your beliefs. So, I will spit you out of my mouth.



It's people like you, Colonel, who allow the racial and religious gap to widen.

I don't run the White House, nor the repugnant party, nor the repugnant Christian Broadcasting Network.

I think it is just plain wrong that you hate republicans/conservatives. I'm sure that there are some racist people in their party,

They have given me every reason to hate them from being racist to to being veiled nazi fascists to destroying my country and the Constitution.


BTW, are you Muslim?(just out of curiosity, no ploy intended) I can tell you right now that I'm not a Christian.

Christian.

I have found that there is a sence of victimism in the black community. They find reason behind all their failures like they are actively oppressed directly by the government.

They see themselves as being an oppressed people, making all the rest of us wrong and them blameless. That would lead them to believe that they are better than us, much like the Palastinians views on the Israelis.

That would make them racist due to their self emposed victimization.

I am not saying this is true across the board, but I have seen it first hand more times than I would care to count.

Originally posted by KrazyJethro
I have found that there is a sence of victimism in the black community. They find reason behind all their failures like they are actively oppressed directly by the government.

So, what you're saying is that the black race is a failure. Does ANYONE besides me find this blatantly offensive?

They see themselves as being an oppressed people, making all the rest of us wrong and them blameless.

Um, no. I don't see my self as oppressed. I see myself as being black from a peoples that were systematically oppressed for centuries upon centuries...by people that mainly look like you.

That would lead them to believe that they are better than us, much like the Palastinians views on the Israelis.

Another fallacy.

That would make them racist due to their self emposed victimization.

Self imposed victimization? I'm sorry I don't see black people lynching other blacks or dragging other blacks behind cars or throwing other blacks in jail by the millions.

I am not saying this is true across the board, but I have seen it first hand more times than I would care to count.

Yeah, me too.

Originally posted by KrazyJethro
I have found that there is a sence of victimism in the black community. They find reason behind all their failures like they are actively oppressed directly by the government.

They see themselves as being an oppressed people, making all the rest of us wrong and them blameless. That would lead them to believe that they are better than us, much like the Palastinians views on the Israelis.

That would make them racist due to their self emposed victimization.

I am not saying this is true across the board, but I have seen it first hand more times than I would care to count.

OMG!!! Enough of this crap! That is completely ridiculous. Are you kidding? Views like this aid in the oppression of black people. Why is it so hard to believe a black person when they say they have been discriminated against? You will be hard pressed to find a black person that hasn't come up against racist in this country. To say that we are pretending to be victims is utterly and completely maddening. No one asks to be discriminated against and when it happens it's like someone spit in your face. It's the most degrading and demoralizing thing that has ever happened to me. We don't want to be the victims of or the scapegoat for whites. Ur thinking is just flawed.

I will never understand why it's so hard for white people in the country believe black people are oppressed by the laws and by the education system.

I'd like to add something here...a story.

One of my best buds is a Korean girl. I used to like her and she kinda liked me. (We still kinda like each other but we don't acknowledge it). In any event, at one point, she asked her old school Mom if it was ok to date me. Mom said no b/c I'm black. Then, she said,"He's different. He's in law school!"

Know what Mom said?

"Remember OJ?"

This is the bull# we're talking about.

Talk about spin. No, Inever said that. I do generalize repugnants as racists tho. See, the repugnant party has a plethora of racist leaders and if you support these people then to me you identify with them and I will cast you with the same label.

You see, many people generalize Democrats as Communistic or Socialistic. When people support the dems, they 'cast them with the same label'. Do you find this unfair?

You caught me in a bad mood (what's new). I'm afraid that I cannot comply.

Well, I have to admit that was funny, Colonel. It's good to see you can keep a sense of humor when your in a bad mood.

You are neither hot nor cold but lukewarm in your beliefs. So, I will spit you out of my mouth.

Another good one. Keep your sense of humor Colonel, it's a good trait.

I don't run the White House, nor the repugnant party, nor the repugnant Christian Broadcasting Network.

I know you don't run them, but continually playing the race card only gives people reasons to be different from each other.

They have given me every reason to hate them from being racist to to being veiled nazi fascists to destroying my country and the Constitution.

We will see in the future, when everything that has been masked becomes unmasked.

Christian.

I was just wondering. I thought you might be one of those 'nation of Islam' people. It would explain your reasons for arguing so hard. (BTW, I'm closer to agnostic)

Know what Mom said?

"Remember OJ?"

Dude, that's sad. Sorry to hear about that. But, as they say, # happens.(It may sound insensitive, but it's true)

[Edited on 8-1-2004 by joehayner]

Saphronia
Why is it so hard to believe a black person when they say they have been discriminated against? You will be hard pressed to find a black person that hasn't come up against racist in this country. To say that we are pretending to be victims is utterly and completely maddening. No one asks to be discriminated against and when it happens it's like someone spit in your face. It's the most degrading and demoralizing thing that has ever happened to me. We don't want to be the victims of or the scapegoat for whites.

I believe that plenty of black people have been discriminated against in America. I do think it is wrong, just like generalizing and discriminating against republicans. You're not pretending to be victims, some of you are, but using this as an excuse to get things(college, jobs, ect...) is just as wrong. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I believe in equality.

Hell, I've been discriminated against plenty of times. (ever hear of gringoism) Instead of using favoritism, try education. Racial prejudice is learned from parents, just as religion, santa clause, the tooth fairy, easter bunny, heaven, hell, saints, sinners, morality, immorality, love, and hate are. Your view is shaped by your parents.(most of the time) So if they are narrowminded, you will become narrowminded. Ignorance is learned.

Originally posted by joehayner
You see, many people generalize Democrats as Communistic or Socialistic. When people support the dems, they 'cast them with the same label'. Do you find this unfair?

Very because if dems were in fact socialists or communists, then we would call ourselves such. I have seen no dem out there celebrating Jiang Zemin or Kim Jung Ill. But, I have seen repugnants celebrating the segregationist presidential platform of Strom Thurmond.


I know you don't run them, but continually playing the race card only gives people reasons to be different from each other.

I am not playing the"race card." I am not asking for anything like reparations. I am just pointing out the truth.

Very because if dems were in fact socialists or communists, then we would call ourselves such. I have seen no dem out there celebrating Jiang Zemin or Kim Jung Ill. But, I have seen repugnants celebrating the segregationist presidential platform of Strom Thurmond.

Well, I've witnessed dems support those who were open communists or socialists. I think it's wrong to be for segregation, but Strom Thurmond was a very successful Senator.(no matter how misguided or wrong he was) I can see why people would admire him. Just like I can admire Hitler for bringing a third-world country to the status of Superpower, eventhough he was very, very, very wrong in his genocidal ideas. Strong leaders are easily admired.

I am not playing the"race card." I am not asking for anything like reparations. I am just pointing out the truth.

It seems the other way, but if you're only pointing out the truth, then there is no harm. But what do you want from it? If you want no changes you just remind people and give them a reason to feel seperate from you.

[Edited on 8-1-2004 by joehayner]