Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
I have believed, at least until relatively recently, that 2012 marked a positive change in the consciousness of man. However, as I look at the world today, I am starting to think that my ideology, in regards to the direction of humanity, was in error.

as well as the timeline of the Holy Scriptures

Originally posted by OneLoveUSA
reply to post by Destroyed

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Just don't put to much into one idea that something will happen in December 2012. The correct time and date is most likely lost forever. That is not nice in my opinion.

What year was Jesus born?


The conventional way to date the nativity is based on the story of the magi. Josephus says Herod died shortly after a lunar eclipse and such an eclipse occurred on March 13, 4 BC. Jesus was born sometime between the first appearance of the star of Bethlehem and the time the magi arrived in Herod's court. As Herod ordered the execution of children age 2 and under, the star must have made its first appearance within the previous two years. This line of reasoning yields a date of 6-4 BC for the nativity. (Note that there is no suggestion in the Gospels that Jesus was born on the day the star first appeared and thus no way to use astronomical phenomenon to determine a specific day of birth.)

One problem with the 6-4 BC date is that there was no census at that time, a key element in the nativity narrative. There was a census of Roman citizens in 8 BC, but Joseph was not a Roman citizen. There was a census ordered by the governor of Syria in AD 6, but neither Galilee nor Bethlehem were within the Roman province of Syria. Some modern authors identify Luke's worldwide census with a mass oath taking that occurred in 3-2 BC when Augustus was given the title "father of the nation." As a descendant of David, Joseph might have been selected to take the oath. Tertullian, Origen, Africanus and other early Christian writers date the birth of Jesus as 3-2 BC.


These writers had access to documents concerning the census and other matters which no longer exist. Jesus is said to have been "about 30" when he began his ministry in AD 29 (Luke 3:1-3, 3:23), which yields a birth year of 3-2 BC.