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Doctors...pros or just educated guesswork??

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posted on Jan, 5 2004 @ 03:25 AM
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Ever day u hear it from people.."i went to the doctor for this or that and he can find nothing wrong".why?because doctors may really not know whats going on!say u went thought med school for 7 years staying up late,cramming for exams.....how much of this knowledge was reatained?not much id say,but they have books right??that dosent mean anything to me ...if u wrote a book and somehow got it published saying 2+2=5 that would have to be the converted standard right??guesswork in a white coat!!!!!!!

[Edited on 18-1-2004 by chimpchimp]




posted on Jan, 5 2004 @ 03:31 AM
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i agree. i know of a lot of people that went to doctors for years before they got the real diagnosis. I guess the best thing to do is go to the best specialist you can, because general doctors cant know everything.



posted on Jan, 5 2004 @ 07:28 AM
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i also agree, i don't really want to slam doctors, but the one's i have run into my cat could of given me a better diagnosis for the problems i may of had. i refuse to go to the doctor unless i absolutely have to, everythime i go to one they send me here or there to have a bunch of test that i cannot afford.



posted on Jan, 5 2004 @ 08:28 AM
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50/50 each way. also gov' funding, rosters, admin, career prospects for Intern's / Registrar's. But the most funding
NOW needs to be directed to more nurse's. There r fully
rigged-out wards unused, 'cause the gov' wont fund the
staff. Plus there is no real incentive.
It's fact that 63% of Acute Addmissions, are discharged
prem' and are re'ad in a worse state



posted on Jan, 14 2004 @ 01:50 AM
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sure but its not the nurses duty to dischare a paitent its the doctor once again the bubmling profesinal(sp)sure we need more nurses but we need quality doctors to direct them!!!!



posted on Jan, 14 2004 @ 03:10 AM
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Well I went to a doctor(gastroenterologist) for about a year and a half, he did a few test and gave me some pills. I met a girl at work who was having the same problem I was having, she ended up having emergency surgurey to have her gall bladder removed. Well, after I heard that I made another appointment and I TOLD the doctor to check my gall baldder!! TA DA!! I diagnossed myself. So a few weeks later I have my gall bladder taken out.
THere are some great doctors out there, but there are some who just treat it as a job. They are there to make some money and that is about it. This is why I rarely go to the doctor, all they want is a little cash.



posted on Jan, 14 2004 @ 09:08 PM
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Its more like educated guess work. I've worked with docs for the last 12 years now as a medic in the military and in the private sector...Docs are always consulting books with descriptions of illnesses and look for a match..it is educated guess work though...



posted on Jan, 14 2004 @ 09:13 PM
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Thats why I always check on the internet and read up on possible causes for my symptoms before going to see my doctor. I even print out lots of stuff to take with me and I even write down questions to ask my doctor when im there. I make sure my Doctor tests for every posibility. I dont think that doctors are stupid but that patients need to be informed and know what to ask of your doctor. Get informed. Ask questions. I bore my Doctor to death with all the questions i ask him when i go for a checkup, but he always answers everything I ask him. If your doctor is unwilling to answer your questions then he's not a good doctor and you should consider switching.



posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 10:24 AM
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You get the same effect with veternarians and animals ... and any system that deals with living organisms.

We're incredibly complex. The variations are huge (my nerves are not in the right place as most people's, so the dentist has to inject more drugs to numb an area for me. Some people have their hearts on the left side of the body, others on the right. Some people are born with a resistance to certain drugs (I clear out painkillers pretty fast from my system) and others are overly sensitive to it. And we all describe and feel pain differently (I walked around with a broken (smashed) wrist for 4 days before it occurred to me that something was wrong.)

The actual number of diseases and conditions a person can suffer from (singly or in combination with other conditions and diseases) is well over a million. Over 250 organisms are known to cause foodborne illnesses. However, many different organisms cause similar symptoms, especially diarrhea, abdominal cramps, and nausea. There is so much overlap that it is rarely possible to say which microbe is likely to be causing a given illness unless laboratory tests are done to identify the microbe, or unless the illness is part of a recognized outbreak.


So... how good do YOU think you'd be at telling (for example) the differece in symptoms caused by these common foodborne illnesses: www.fightbac.org...

Remember that docs can tell the difference between these and appendicitis and a lot of other things.

If you think it's that easy, start taking some courses in medicine. I think you'll change your mind.

(for the record, I did have some med school courses.)



posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 10:32 AM
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I was in med school for a year. Don't underestimate doctors. They know the human anatomy inside out. They learn illnesses, symptoms, ways to threat them the workings of the body down to DNA and RNA replication, which includes protein building. Glycolisis, Gluceogenesis, microscopic tissue. Method of diagnosis & analysis and how to care for a patient. Among other things.



posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 10:43 AM
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How about these stats

Number of physicians in the US = 700,000
Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year = 120,000
Accidental deaths per physician = 0.171
(U.S. Dept. of Health & Human Services)

Number of gun owners in the US = 80,000,000
Number of accidental gun deaths per year (all age groups) = 1,500
Accidental deaths per gun owner = 0.0000188
( U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms)

Therefore, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.



posted on Jan, 15 2004 @ 10:54 AM
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I say educated guesses.

My mother just passed away Jan 2nd after two stays in the hospital, on the 3rd one, she didn't make it out.

She eventually died from an ulcer that went undetected. It caused a hole in her stomach which released the stomach acid into her body and bloodstream... caused her kidneys to quit working and caused liver damage.

After 2 cardiac arrests, 2 days of Kidney dialysis, she lived for 3 more days.

3 months ago, taken to the hospital with "stroke" like symptoms... MRI Catscan, okay she had a mild stroke.

1 month ago, back to the hospital, same symptoms, another MRI and catscan, oh, this is a seizure, due to the potasium level in her body. now on medicine for that.

Dec 27th, to the hospital, extreme stomach pain, and they find the ulcer and the damage that it caused.
Why wasn't this noticed the first 2 times ?

My Mom wasn't in the best of health at age 53, and she smoked alot, but I just wonder why they never noticed the ulcers, is that something that has to specifically be looked for ?

Oh well, she's in a better place now and I will get to see her again someday.

thanks for listening.



posted on Jan, 16 2004 @ 07:49 PM
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thx jackal for the interesting stats...that boosted my confidence in my doc lol.



posted on Jan, 17 2004 @ 08:24 AM
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failures could be part of medikal iatrocray.



posted on Jan, 17 2004 @ 09:11 AM
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Sweet jesus....of course it's educated guesswork. People aren't cars. You can't just crack them open and take a look anytime you want. Also, patients are idiots... as shown by the mere existence of this thread. You go into a doctor's office, list three different symptoms in a generic manner and expect them to pop out an exact diagnosis? Okay, so your stomach hurts. What kind of pain is it? How long have you had it? What's your medical history like? What have you been eating lately? What are your genes like? Are you allergic to anything? What kinds of drugs are you on?

Christ, the word diagnosis means an educated guess. So, before you walk around badmouthing doctors, why don't you think about every possibel way you could screw yourself up, be screwed up, or whine about something. Then, imagine about another thousand things that can go wrong that you didn't know about. Throw in individual variations based on allergy, resistance and basic human endurance. Now, try not to screw up. Just like anyone else, doctors screw up every now and again. The only problem is that people die when they do. Next tiem you whine about a doctor being wrong about something, think about how many times they were right despite patient incompetence.

Geez, I need an asprin...

DE

[Edited on 17-1-2004 by DeusEx]



posted on Jan, 17 2004 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by chimpchimp
sure but its not the nurses duty to dischare a paitent its the doctor once again the bubmling profesinal(sp)sure we need more nurses but we need quality doctors to direct them!!!!


just a note, a nurse can not legally dis-charge an in-patient


[Edited on 17-1-2004 by sanctum]



posted on Jan, 17 2004 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by DeusEx
Sweet jesus....of course it's educated guesswork. People aren't cars. You can't just crack them open and take a look anytime you want. Also, patients are idiots... as shown by the mere existence of this thread. You go into a doctor's office, list three different symptoms in a generic manner and expect them to pop out an exact diagnosis? Okay, so your stomach hurts. What kind of pain is it? How long have you had it? What's your medical history like? What have you been eating lately? What are your genes like? Are you allergic to anything? What kinds of drugs are you on?

Christ, the word diagnosis means an educated guess. So, before you walk around badmouthing doctors, why don't you think about every possibel way you could screw yourself up, be screwed up, or whine about something. Then, imagine about another thousand things that can go wrong that you didn't know about. Throw in individual variations based on allergy, resistance and basic human endurance. Now, try not to screw up. Just like anyone else, doctors screw up every now and again. The only problem is that people die when they do. Next tiem you whine about a doctor being wrong about something, think about how many times they were right despite patient incompetence.

Geez, I need an asprin...

DE

[Edited on 17-1-2004 by DeusEx]



So DE,
IF, (i sincerely hope not) u wer'e to be raced to ER as a
result of an 'un-forseen circumstance', and subsequent
admission, shall i therefore presume that you too are
an idiot?





posted on Jan, 17 2004 @ 10:14 AM
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Indeed I would be, because as patients, when is the last time we've said anything really descriptive, aside from "It 'utz 'ere."? When is the last time anyone gave more than two or three symptoms? Pateitns need to be taught hwo to descibe their assorted paisn and afflictions to better help doctors.... because right now, we're not.

DE



posted on Jan, 17 2004 @ 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by DeusEx
Indeed I would be, because as patients, when is the last time we've said anything really descriptive, aside from "It 'utz 'ere."? When is the last time anyone gave more than two or three symptoms? Pateitns need to be taught hwo to descibe their assorted paisn and afflictions to better help doctors.... because right now, we're not.

DE


step 1 Get a blood test
step 2 Tell them where it hurts
step 3 Have a full MRI
,and have an open mind




posted on Jan, 17 2004 @ 11:22 PM
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this link says it all mercola.com...

You must admit, some DR's should not be practicing medicine.

we took our three year old to a the doctors office because he was ill, our family doctor suspected that he may have a bit of fluid in his lungs and to watch him carefully. my son did not get any better after a few days, so as we were instructed by our family doctor we took him to the ER. the doctor was called in from his home and when he got there he had three patients waiting on him. he came into our room and we told him what our doctor said in regards to having fluid in his lungs and he didn't even listen to him after i told the DR of my concern's about my son possibly having pneumonia. this DR said oh he just has bronchitis and wrote us a prescription. my mother is a nurse and she listened to my son before we took him to the er and she was very concerned. are you telling me a DR would not at least have the chest of a three year old x-rayed when he is rattling like crazy? no all this DR was concerned with was getting his sorry ass back home, because after twenty minutes of being there, and seeing three patients, he was trying to run us over as we were driving from the hospital. needless to say my son was in the hospital for a week and a half with full blown pneumonia the very next day. I was lucky enough to run into him while we were in the hospital, lets just say everyone in that hospital knew I was pissed and he conveniently ran away with his tail between his legs.

Being a DR doesn't mean crap, hell I can remember things and order test too.



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