"I Helped The U.S. Army Plan The 9/11 Attacks" (HOAX?), page 7
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reply posted on 23-5-2007 @ 06:41 AM by g210b
entering
grillfire id.jpg
and
codenamegrillfire.com/images/id.jpg

in
www.google.com

www.google.com...

www.google.com...

shows that there are links to that DOD ID image from outside.

check this:


US Defense Department Official Takes Polygraph on PAX TV show “Lie Detector” May 24, 2005
M. Snudden 19 May 2005 09:23 GMT

id.jpg

United States Defense Department Intelligence Investigative Office Supervisor to The Office of the Secretary of Defense Timothy S. McNiven aka “Grillfire” www.codenamegrillfire.com... will appear on the Tuesday May 24, 2005 show of “Lie Detector” on PAX TV.


www.indymedia.org...

And in googles cache the image is even showed

Office of the Secretary of Defense Timothy S McNiven aka Grillfire http www codenamegrillfire com images id jpg will appear on the Tuesday May 24 2005 show of Lie Detector on PAX TV id jpg image jpeg 330x528 He is calling for the Members of C Battery 2 81st FA US Army 7s lie ☻


216.239.59.104...WVLKHV8ijgJ:f--b--i.com/bh/US-LIE.html+codenamegrillfire.com/images/id.jpg&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3

it seems he uploaded his ID image to (check that id_jpg link above the text)
utah.indymedia.org...

to show on that page.

edit: tried to fix that google cache link .. don't know how to get ride of that : P ats smile that damages the link..hope a mod can fixthat



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reply posted on 23-5-2007 @ 07:44 AM by nowshining
Timothy S. McNiven somehow coincides with Timothy Mcvey on the oklahoma bombings... (did they really kill him ?? )

anyway this person if is indeed planned the bombings, or helped do so really lived in the US they'd be dead by now, (would of been secretly done) by the USA government army, so either this person is lying about the whole thing or lied about their location and house raid part because again they'd be considered a trader and an enemy against the USA and a so called terrorist by the government...


But again I do know that the USA government and DOD and about all other higher up departments frequently lie and post topics on this site, plus you can't trust anyone these days, your friend could be a spy, wife, dad, child, etc....

I know they are watching me, heck while in high school some kid or so it was came in and watched me for a bit and then left for some odd reason, teachers seemed to act weird around me,etc.. , things happen to me that are weird, lights flash, i forget, etc.. heck once I woke up and forgot who everyone was for a bit, and then i cannot remember anything before that... (it sounds like a plot out of a movie, but i'm serious...)

I believe I know more about them then anyone else that is not associated with them.. I know they are after me, and a few others esp..

Also this post could be by the GOV. To side tract us if anyone here know def. they are not WITH THE GOV...

USA GOV. always lies, once you know that, the rest will fall into place...


reply posted on 23-5-2007 @ 09:41 AM by shots
Originally posted by greatlakes


What's the WORLD COMING TO?! Not even the HOAXERS do a thorough job!


Great catch Greatlakes looks like another one bites the dust and rather fast I might add.

My added observation which backs up yours is I have never seen a DOD or Milarty ID photo taken in an out door environment have you or others?

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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Hrm... since the ID badge is not linked in his "story," I suppose we may want to reserve some level of judgement until we hear from McNiven.

It would be irreversibly damning if he offered that up as evidence in his documentation. As it is, it's still reason for doubt.



I think that just the fact the photos are located on his own website is sufficient reason to call it a hoax.

Here the link used above

The "Woodstock Image"

No need in stripping that one since the photo appears to be in the root directory for that particular page


The "ID Badge Image"

OK now stripping off the http leaving just the domain and file name


www.codenamegrillfire.com/images/id.jpg]

As we can see the ID card is on Grillfires website located in the images folder named id.jpg


Now couple the photots location with pictures that clearly appear to be cropped and last but not least the fact the background for the ID (cropped) was taken outdoors really leaves only one resonable conclusion because ID Cards for the government agencies are all on plain cloth back drops.


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reply posted on 23-5-2007 @ 10:12 AM by shots
Here is another observation regarding the ID card and anyone can correct me if they think I am wrong.

First I tried to find an ID card specific to the DOD and could not find one so assuming he was a member of the military I then looked up their ID cards which look like this

completely different from what he alleges was a DOD card as you can see and one would think if there is an ID card for The DOD as alleged I think it is safe to assume it would bear the official seal of the DOD which in this case it did not.

Official seal which is missing from the card would look like this

www.dare.nl...



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reply posted on 23-5-2007 @ 10:34 AM by shots
Originally posted by Nobusuke Tagomi
I thought we were all asked to remain quiet to see if McNiven returns to offer an explanation?


I am not sue but I think SO asked that before it was determined that the card came from his website,

I also just did some more research on what a DOD ID card would look like and they issued new ones back in 1998 and would be Tan in color.

DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE ISSUES NEW IDENTIFICATION CARDS


The Department of Defense (DoD) will begin issuing this month two new identification cards for some DoD employees and DoD-sponsored individuals. The new cards, Defense Department (DD) Form 2764 and DD Form 2765, will be issued to eligible individuals instead of DD Form 1173, "United States Uniformed Services Identification and Privilege Card." The new tan-colored cards will contain information currently found in DD Form 1173's concerning authorization for benefits and privileges but will also indicate Geneva Convention status, as appropriate, and have computer-readable bar codes so that the new cards will be compatible with other DoD identification cards currently in use by active component and reserve component personnel. The first new cards will be issued in Heidelberg, Germany, and will be phased in worldwide over the next five years.

(Source linked above)



AS anyone can see this also confirms my earlier suspicion that he would have used a Military card DD Form 1173 which this replaced.

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