"I Helped The U.S. Army Plan The 9/11 Attacks" (HOAX?)

anyone who bought into anything - they are not idiots, they are choosing a story, and all stories are created equal - but again, when in the midst of it the stories will seem scewed, due to the lack of unconsciounsess/ego in the person.

So, in turn, people arent stupid...they are as they are - and that is ever changing at each moment. Thoughts do not stay but for the moment they are in...same as anything.
Anything we say about a person is again, a story about them...it is not them.

This way peace is shown to the world...through acceptance/love, and the whole issue of world peace or bad governments is no longer an issue.

(and yes, this includes acceptance for your comment...again, its not about changing you or anyone else...its more of an awareness of whats happening so that one can then make choices 'consciously' vs. through the eyes of 'thought'/ego.

Peace

dAlen

entering
grillfire id.jpg
and
codenamegrillfire.com/images/id.jpg

in
www.google.com

www.google.com...

www.google.com...

shows that there are links to that DOD ID image from outside.

check this:



www.indymedia.org...

And in googles cache the image is even showed


216.239.59.104...WVLKHV8ijgJ:f--b--i.com/bh/US-LIE.html+codenamegrillfire.com/images/id.jpg&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3

it seems he uploaded his ID image to (check that id_jpg link above the text)
utah.indymedia.org...

to show on that page.

edit: tried to fix that google cache link .. don't know how to get ride of that : P ats smile that damages the link..hope a mod can fixthat



[edit on 23-5-2007 by g210b]

Threads such as this do serve a purpose - they show other hoax's out there in internet land that they better do their homework if they think they are gonna fool people here.

ATS has some very special people as members, it only took a few pages and this was laid to rest.

Well done

I see others have found it, but here's where I originally found the ID link:

www.indymedia.org...

A little late, but you guys have been moving pretty quickly on this!

Timothy S. McNiven somehow coincides with Timothy Mcvey on the oklahoma bombings... (did they really kill him ?? )

anyway this person if is indeed planned the bombings, or helped do so really lived in the US they'd be dead by now, (would of been secretly done) by the USA government army, so either this person is lying about the whole thing or lied about their location and house raid part because again they'd be considered a trader and an enemy against the USA and a so called terrorist by the government...


But again I do know that the USA government and DOD and about all other higher up departments frequently lie and post topics on this site, plus you can't trust anyone these days, your friend could be a spy, wife, dad, child, etc....

I know they are watching me, heck while in high school some kid or so it was came in and watched me for a bit and then left for some odd reason, teachers seemed to act weird around me,etc.. , things happen to me that are weird, lights flash, i forget, etc.. heck once I woke up and forgot who everyone was for a bit, and then i cannot remember anything before that... (it sounds like a plot out of a movie, but i'm serious...)

I believe I know more about them then anyone else that is not associated with them.. I know they are after me, and a few others esp..

Also this post could be by the GOV. To side tract us if anyone here know def. they are not WITH THE GOV...

USA GOV. always lies, once you know that, the rest will fall into place...

It reads that way for any member who creates an account, but never actually logs in.


Interesting twists here...





You (members) seem to be the first to discover his ruse.

I have e-mailed Paul Joseph Watson and Alex Jones and asked them to take this thread into consideration before writing any more articles on, or conducted any more interviews with Timothy McNiven.

Regardless of what many think about believing or not the story and the comparisons to been dumb, stupid or lame, the truth will be that threads like this one have a purpose . . . to make people think, analyze and work together.

I enjoyed the thread and Mr. McNiven has a lot to answer if he decides to grace us with his presence.

I came to the conclusion that he will not be back, because the person that started the thread is not him.

But as a believer in conspiracy theories, I hope I am wrong.

GREAT WORK EVEYONE !! The credibility of ATS just gets better and better, no one can come in here talking BS and not be found out.
I haven't posted for a long time, but after reading this excellent work, I knew I had to.

WELL DONE

Great catch Greatlakes looks like another one bites the dust and rather fast I might add.

My added observation which backs up yours is I have never seen a DOD or Milarty ID photo taken in an out door environment have you or others?

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I think that just the fact the photos are located on his own website is sufficient reason to call it a hoax.

Here the link used above

The "Woodstock Image"

No need in stripping that one since the photo appears to be in the root directory for that particular page


The "ID Badge Image"

OK now stripping off the http leaving just the domain and file name


www.codenamegrillfire.com/images/id.jpg]

As we can see the ID card is on Grillfires website located in the images folder named id.jpg


Now couple the photots location with pictures that clearly appear to be cropped and last but not least the fact the background for the ID (cropped) was taken outdoors really leaves only one resonable conclusion because ID Cards for the government agencies are all on plain cloth back drops.


[edit on 5/23/2007 by shots]

GreatLakes, I am an un ashamed fan of your work in this thread and others, nicely done

Seems the OP is running with his tail between his legs...and to think when I got advice of this post in my email it held such promise...Oh well

Anywho guys and gals, nicely debunked in no time at all...Gotta love this place

Tony

I find it disturbing that the Inspection Reports for the WTC are missing - at least recent ones are. Along with the allegations that the WTC, because of its steel/aluminum construction (catalytic reactions when wet between these two metals make for poor mixture in buildings), was deemed to require decommissioning and a multimillion dollar scaffold needed to be built to disassemble it (implosion being deemed too dangerous to surrounding buildings).

Seems to me that either the WTC was built with the intent of using it as a "terror target" (steel & aluminum? What were they thinking?), or they saw that they had to spend millions, thought Hey, we can target that - somebody buy it and insure it against terror attacks! - and we can use it for another Pearl Harbor! Everybody (in our clique) wins and no one will know how stupid we were in building this pinnacle of engineering mastery.

This posting suggests that maybe it was built with nefarious intent from the start.

My view.

Yea, that may well be Amaterasu...The whole gamut of possibilities has been covered in eleventeen different threads on ATS over the years...Seek out those threads and post your ideas there, I'm sure they'll be welcomed

Laters

Tony

Here is another observation regarding the ID card and anyone can correct me if they think I am wrong.

First I tried to find an ID card specific to the DOD and could not find one so assuming he was a member of the military I then looked up their ID cards which look like this

completely different from what he alleges was a DOD card as you can see and one would think if there is an ID card for The DOD as alleged I think it is safe to assume it would bear the official seal of the DOD which in this case it did not.

Official seal which is missing from the card would look like this

www.dare.nl...



[edit on 5/23/2007 by shots]

I thought we were all asked to remain quiet to see if McNiven returns to offer an explanation?

I am not sue but I think SO asked that before it was determined that the card came from his website,

I also just did some more research on what a DOD ID card would look like and they issued new ones back in 1998 and would be Tan in color.



AS anyone can see this also confirms my earlier suspicion that he would have used a Military card DD Form 1173 which this replaced.

[edit on 5/23/2007 by shots]

I'm pretty sure he said it after the card was found on McNiven's site. Then ZeddicusZulZorander said this (end of page 5):

This is a case of "monkey see... monkey click."
now at 71 flags...


When I read it in my inbox, I already thought that is was bs... Now I read the thread.... and saw that is bs.

Thanks ATS... The truth is out there... just post it in ATS and the members will discover if it is the truth.

"I came, I saw, I left..."

Hadn't it occurred to you both that people are flagging the thread because it's "BS," and they feel that people should see the allegations made against McNiven that could completely discredit him?

i just want to point out that, i think, there is a strassburg in germany (and in france too):

link ...

linky 2...