"I Helped The U.S. Army Plan The 9/11 Attacks" (HOAX?)

I have some software that reads barcodes from images. The first image is a control image to show that the software accurately reads these marks.

The red box around the barcode is overlaid on the image when the software identifies a barcode in the image you give it. Within that red box, in red lettering, the software overlays what the barcode reads.

We can see in the control image below it's reading what the actual sample image says it should read.

Control Image (Below)




Now when I give the software the "DOD Badge" it says the barcode reads as "123ABC", obviously a fake.

DOD Badge (Below)

Originally posted by kinglizard
Now when I give the software the "DOD Badge" it says the barcode reads as "123ABC", obviously a fake.

so...

do we have a hoaxer in our midsts???

EDIT:

haha, is the picture in his id card a piece of the picture he gave us in his original post???




[edit on 22-5-2007 by they see ALL]

Are you serious?

123abc further proves his claim. It's obviously some sort of code telling us more into the story. Maybe it means on "12-3 a big catastrophe" will occur. Or possibly, "123 a bad con". Must be a DoD code of course.

What an idiot.

Occurs is a fake, I can not believe that I did not notice that before until the discrepancy was shown, my husband has a DOD ID and the background is not the way it shows in the picture here either.

Also in another site I found that the real Mr. McNiven said that his ID card was taken away by the FBI prior to July 6 2004 and the ID shown in the picture said Nov, 2004.


[edit on 22-5-2007 by marg6043]

I find your post very humorous. How else can a person who did not receive the most votes become President? Steal them like Kennedy did in 1960. Who received the most popular votes in the 1960 election? Nixon did.
Why was there more votes counted in Cook County, Illinois(Chicago) than there were registered voters. Illinois was the key state for Kennedy to have enough electoral votes to be elected to the Presidency, much like Florida was.
Mayor Richard Daley, the father not the son who is mayor now, handed the election to Old Joe Kennedy as a favor. Do your homework,sir before you post garbage on this forum.
Election fraud ,voter fraud is not something new. I understand that you sir, may not be an American,or possibly you were not born during this period,or most accurately,just ignorant, but the fact of the matter is the Democratic party of our two party system was a very corrupt organization for most of the last century.Unfortunately, most of this has been forgotten.
Yes, the same party of Hilary and Obama is also the party of Sen.Byrd of West Virgina a card caring member of the KKK.

62 flags??? What the hell is wrong with you people... get a grip...

Excellent catch on the fake ID and the barcode. You guys totally rock!

I hope that Timothy comes here, as he has agreed to do, to answer some of these allegations. They certainly cast a pall on everything else he has come forward to say.

I want to reiterate what SkepticOverlord said. We accepted this submission because we thought it would provide excellent discussion. Of course none of us had seen the id photo. If we had, we would have tried to get an explanation for the discrepancies before we mailed out the newsletter.

Well as S.O. states this isn't PROOF of hoax yet. The OP did not provide the badge as any reply or proof, it was hehe FOUND on the site. This could mean the OP was messing around with a joke badge or any number of things.

What SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE is to have asked the OP for a ID badge proving he was DOD employed BEFORE posting the the obvious fakery. Oh well no use spilling over cried milk

More information, here is the earliest webpage archive I could find for www.codenamegrillfire.com.

web.archive.org...

This shows a different homepage description as well as other differences. Let's see if we can get anything else out of this information.

Here's a quote from the site:

Welcome

In Oberstein, Germany there is "the Church in the Rocks" a famous Religious Place; there is also Strassburg Kaserne another famous Religious Place: it is where God Blessed the American People in the mid-1970's by giving the US Congress sufficient information to prevent the World Trade Center Twin Towers from being attacked as well as the other attacks that day, September 11, 2001; during the Democratic and Republican Political Party's Congressional Commissioned Military Study to Improve US Air Travel Security that took place there.

Yes; Jerry Fawell, God did "Bless" the American People 25 years before the 9/11/01 attacks; even though Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and the Democrats, Ronald Reagan, George Bush and the Republicans have deliberately refused to tell you that They Knew that US Air Travel Security needed to be Improved (that's why They conducted the Study) and that They knew which Security Lapses would be used to carry out an airliner attack on American Buildings, since They were the ones that "Originally" created the scenario of Hi-jacking airliners and crashing them into 100 story buildings to devise counter measures to prevent these attacks and had corrective actions given to them by the participants in this Study.� Corrective Actions that They began Implementing following the September 11, 2001 attacks; which if the Democrats and Republicans had began in 1976 when They knew that They needed to begin these Security Upgrades and Improvements, they would have physically prevented the WTC Twin Towers attack.

This website will give you some of those Corrective Actions and how the Study's participants created them and some of their names so that you can help locate them so that they can tell what they did in the Study; over the Democratic and Republican Political Party ordered Censorship of God's Blessing to the American People that took place in the home of C-Battery 2 / 81st Field Artillery, US Army 1976: "First in The Artillery"

There will also be a video of my presentation "Deja Vu, 25 Year Old Visions of 9/11" that was given on May 28, 2003 at Western Washington University Campus in Bellingham, Washington, USA installed in the near future.

Personally review my material and join the Search for the Study's other participants, some of their names are listed under the catagory "Study Participants" and share this information (www.codenamegrillfire.com) with all people you care about so they also can know that the Democratic and Republican Elected Officials could have done something to physically prevent the September 11, 2001 attacks but Chose "Not" to.

Originally posted by kinglizard
I have some software that reads barcodes from images. The first image is a control image to show that the software accurately reads these marks.

The red box around the barcode is overlaid on the image when the software identifies a barcode in the image you give it. Within that red box, in red lettering, the software overlays what the barcode reads.

We can see in the control image below it's reading what the actual sample image says it should read.

Control Image (Below)



Now when I give the software the "DOD Badge" it says the barcode reads as "123ABC", obviously a fake.

You are da man kinglizard!

I kept thinking this whole Timothy McNiven sounded familiar. I found this post from two years ago.

LINK

Byrd certainly wasn't having any of this guys nonsense. You can almost hear her eyes rolling.



Bleys

[edit on 5/22/07 by Bleys]

Help me here members...

On the balance, this does appear to be very "hoaxish," to say the least. While we can certainly consider that McNiven has a sense of humor and created that ID for a purpose other than telling his tale... a fabricated "anything" in relation to his story is not a good sign.

That being the case, if this proves to be an elaborate hoax... is this the first such hoax in 9/11 conspiracy lore? (Other than simply bad theories)

If it is... two things come to mind...

1) It signals the maturity of the topic, as hoaxes are rampant in the UFO subculture.

2) It's disgusting, as thousands of people have not been murder by UFO's.

Given #2, maybe we should back off on our glee of discovery, and let this topic settle down until/if we hear from McNiven.

I'll refine the opening post to link to the evidence you have discovered.

Thanks for the above post, it's interesting to see the different discussions and posts that went on in 2005 as compared to now, 2007, on pretty much the same exact THREAD topic. The only difference is that the OP in this thread appears to be the AUTHOR and originator of the website.

Why the different discussion flow then? Is it due to the prevalence of so MANY HOAXES that have been perpetrated and debunked? Or is it through planned events orchestrated at having the people doubt the people, or both?

The 2005 Thread...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

The 2007 Thread...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 22-5-2007 by greatlakes]

edited to remove obviously outdated remarks. That's what I get when I answer a post half way though the thread; by the time I get to the end my comments are not only superfluous, they are totally lame!



[edit on 5/22/2007 by Stormrider]

Is this some kind of psychological test perpetrated by ATS?

I cannot believe any rational person read that website and did not concluded it was fake. I love these posts. They just continue to show how easy it is to fool people into believing anything posted on the Internet. Test it out for yourself. You don't need facts, evidence or any kind of proof. Just get yourself a website. Post any kind of crazy thoughts that come into your head and then post the link on some internet forums. People will believe just about anything without question as long as you are telling them something that they already believe.

I know this has basically been debunked already, but really all you had to do was read the first few lines to see this was suspect...

In 1976 Congress commissioned a plan to determine how terrorists could attack the World Trade Center under the guise of an "airport security" study. The theoretical (at the time) plan specified how the towers might be felled using commercial aircraft hijacked with nothing more than "box cutters." The exercise, run by the Pentagon and the Central Intelligence Agency, made use of specialists in C-Baterry 2/81st Field Artillery, U.S. Army stationed in Strassburg, Germany. I was one such specialist, I participated in these events was and then went on to work for Army Intelligence and the Department of Defense.

1. The U.S. was in the middle of the Cold War and reeling from Vietnam, I'm pretty sure they had more things on their minds than terrorism especially since....

2. Terrorism really wasn't a huge problem. In fact the term terrorism wasn't really used until what? 1975?

No one has that much foresight....

Originally posted by zerotime
I cannot believe any rational person read that website and did not concluded it was fake.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The daming ID badge was discovered by fluke as his directories are browsable... it's not linked in any of his material, otherwise, we'd have buried this rather quickly.

He had some reasonable independent press coverage, including Alex Jones. Thus, we thought it valuable to create an environment where our members could interact with him.

However, it appears as though our astute members have done a service to the conspiracy theory community... cracked open what may be the first 9/11-related government conspiracy hoax (other than just bad theories).

I've sent the badge link to the author, asking for an explanation. Hopefully he will sign-in and reply in the thread. If he responds by email, I'll post it here.

That's what ATS is here for, separating the steak from the baloney.

9/11 Hoaxes are inevitable now though... Since it was such a huge event.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

If it is... two things come to mind...

1) It signals the maturity of the topic, as hoaxes are rampant in the UFO subculture.

Well, it's not like this guy just popped up over night; he's been out there peddling this story since early 2002 and his website was set up in 2003, aqccording to Network Solutions. I think it's more of a marvel that there aren't more like him out there already!

2) It's disgusting, as thousands of people have not been murder by UFO's.

Exactly right, which makes what this person is trying to do very sick indeed; imagine trying to gain fame and fortune by the deaths of 3000+ people and then claiming that you knew about it possibly happening all the time.

Given #2, maybe we should back off on our glee of discovery, and let this topic settle down until/if we hear from McNiven.

If you say so, although the glee feels very good, to say the least : I have been on-line all day researching this guy and getting angrier and angrier all the time at his thinking that we would all just swallow his claims, hook line & sinker. But your the man, SO, if you think that Mr McNiven will actually show his face again, I'm willing to wait.

In his affidavit he claims he suggested using the plastic handled box cutters to get by metal detectors. Well I managed a hardware/lumber store in the 80's and don't recall seeing a plastic handled box cutter until early to mid 90's. I'm pretty sure no such animal existed in 1976. All we had was the metal handled retractable utility knives back then.

And if he's got anything credible, I'll personally drive north the one hour trip to Bellingham and get it from him. I know that area very well.


Kudos to the whole ATS crew. Now as Skeptic said, let the whole issue cool a bit and we'll see what kind of answers we can get.