Everyone's affraid of Bush... Bush this Bush that... I hate him and the crap his administration has pulled so far, but I do not see him staging an emergency to stop an election type scenerio... (honestly, anythings Possible, but that would just be outrageous, and would cause not only world alarm, but snap some sheeple awake)...

Sometimes I like to bReak down aspects of life to that of a baseball game (in this example at least).

If the Bush Administration is represented by say a pitchEr, whose to say he's not the set-up man for the closer. God only knows who or what the "closer" would do, considering how well the set-up man did his job.

The Person or administration I would be truly worried about, is who gets the next election. I have A feeling that this won't be used till the next administration... After the voting fraud from the last two elections (yep it did happen), whose to say, Democrat or Republican, doesn't really matter.. Its all the same.

But then again, who knows. Media needs to get up on this one!

Write in to newspapers, internet radio shows, call in,ask why nothing was mentioned anywhere... Make youtube videos, send them out. At least try before they stop you from doing it. We still have a little power left.

Odd part about it. This isn't the normal conspiracy talk, I mean it has a whitehouse.gov page... But honestly, what better way not to alarm, then to put the cookies out right on the table.

I really like the baseball analogy to it though, real question whose the owner of the team (nwo, shadow gov,)? I feel sometimes with something like politics and policy, you need to bReak it down into layman's terms sometimes, Even to grasp a better understanding, or find better answers to problems.

That's the problem, not even political experts understand 100 percent of whats going on, you think average joe American will? Nope... Easier for the taking really.

I have never been a very political person, History and Science has always been more my style. This issue, however, is making me want to stand up and do something. One "man" has just destroyed the ideals that America was based on with a swipe of the pen, and most of America is more interested in who won the "American Idol" competition.

When are we, as Americans. going to stand up and say "enough is enough"?
This directive is so vague and insane and yet the majority sits and does nothing!!!!

I hate to rant like this but this issue is very disturbing to me.

Originally posted by Leyla

I researched them quite abit since I have been considering seeking employment with them. I have some Blackwater video footage from Iraq.
I need to add that they have AH-6 Littlebirds, small helicopters normally used by Special Forces.

They are not a private "army" they have the same capabilities of light infantry with light armored vehicles and some helicopters. Thats it no tanks, no IFVs, no Artillery, no mortars, no gunships, no bombers, no fighters, no anti tank weapons, and nothing heavier than M2 Browning machine guns and MK-19 automatic grenade launchers.

Are you sure you want to be employed by them? These guys are bad news.. Based on that last video, they seems to have no morals or guidelines they do what they want to. You might be right about them being a private army, I can't confirm that but they are contracted by the US secretly supposily. By the constitution is this even legal? A contracted mecenary army secretly employed by the US don't smell too rosy to me. But if you want to I can't stop you. All I ask you is to make a careful decision.




[edit on 5/22/2007 by Leyla]

Most of the guys are ex military that work for them. Some are probably good and some bad just like the real military. They are contracted but not secretly.

As for the Constitutionality of it, has anyone followed the Constitution since Lincoln? That bothers me more than most things that our constitution has become a figurehead like the Queen of England.

All I know is that when the train pulls into my hometown with the banner that reads "your either with us, or against us. Bush, eternal leader, highest of high" they're going to have their hand full trying to put me on that train!

Originally posted by grover
I knew it was a matter of time before people showed up defending bushes actions. "Don't think a dictatorship would be a bad idea".... amazing that someone could post that in all seriousness in this country. In case you haven't noticed a dictatorship is the anti-thesis of all the ideals that this country has stood for, whether we have ever lived up to them or not.

BTW progressive.org is back up and running.

Also to mikeboydUS according to the constitution Arnold can't be president because he is foreign born, it only makes sense that he wouldn't be allowed to run for vice-president either.



[edit on 23-5-2007 by grover]

I know he cant run for president but there is nothing stopping him from being vice president. Legally he would not be able to succeed unless legislation was passed by congress that would allow him to succeed. You may disagree that congress could do that without amending the constitution but if you look at the present government their are all kinds of imbalances and overstepping of power already.

At this time though I dont think most of the Republican party is ready for him. He doesnt seem to have a good relationship with any of the presidential candidates.

It only makes sense that if Arnold can't be president, ergo, he can't be vice president either.

Many people do not understand the grave danger that our nation and political system is enduring right now under the present administration.

Many other president has tried hard to undermine our constitution but no until now we have seen how it has deteriorated to the point that the next presidents to follow this one will have the door open to do as they wish with their executives powers.

Bush in the creation of his Homeland Security has given himself powers to do with that agency anything he wants, from editing and changing privacy reports and to gain access to any information he wants without having to respond to congress, he claims that that is his rights.

One of the things that bush does the best is signing statements tag to bills, that can be interpreted as a way to extend his executives powers.

The new Bush Homeland security agency is the most intrusive agency ever created under any other previous administration in this nation.

The sad thing is

That the new congress can see the power now exercised under this administraiton and they are going to catch on it.

So the next president be democrat or republican already has the power to do with his executive powers as he wants with the constitution of this nation.




[edit on 25-5-2007 by marg6043]

"Alienation is hoping that you are some OTHER form of intelligent life." me

Bush didn't do anything. This means the secret government just made you all their slaves.

Sorry if this has been asked already. Would this really allow Bush to take a third term in office, in the event of a war? It wouldnt really matter to me because we US citizens dont truely have a say in the election of our president.

MY TAKE ON THIS DIRECTIVE IS:

ties it to the "war on terror" so he can suspend all local government down to tribal leaders i.e. county officials etc.
Widens the scope of the directive basically so that all elected officials are under his power.
Also, it broadens the power to arrest so called 'dissenters and traitors' suspending habeous corpus.
G'nite and G'Luck!!!!!


National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive
White House News
NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51
HOMELAND SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/HSPD-20

Policy
Implementation Actions
(4) Continuity requirements shall be incorporated into daily operations of all executive departments and agencies. As a result of the asymmetric threat environment, adequate warning of potential emergencies that could pose a significant risk to the homeland might not be available, and therefore all continuity planning shall be based on the assumption that no such warning will be received. Emphasis will be placed upon geographic dispersion of leadership, staff, and infrastructure in order to increase survivability and maintain uninterrupted Government Functions. Risk management principles shall be applied to ensure that appropriate operational readiness decisions are based on the probability of an attack or other incident and its consequences.


(e) Protecting against threats to the homeland and bringing to justice perpetrators of crimes or attacks against the United States or its people, property, or interests;


[edit on 25-5-2007 by accountability]

After reading the Directive from the Whitehouse and G.W.Bush, and reading every one of the posts here, I am left with some serious questions!......

If a so called "emergency" were to happen, who or what is to define it as being the "event" that necessitates the implementation of said "directive"?

e.g: it would have to affect the whole U.S. wouldn't it? Not just one or a few states. This would rule out just about every ground-based ecological disaster.

Would it also include foreign threats as a source? (China/Iraq/Iran are the obvious). I bet it would.

And most importantly, would this definition/event be in contention between U.S. government and U.S. citizens enough to make it self-implementing due to civil unrest? The problem not being the reason, but the result being the reason.

Catch 22

I am one of those who believes the 2008 elections, and the possibility (threat) of Ron Paul succeeding in winning the election, or an impending (sorry to say it) foreign threat could be enough to start proceedings for this directive to take effect before an official handover.

My point is: can you trust the present government and state sponsored media to justify, without a doubt, the need for this "absolute" power?

This new road has been laid, can you trust the roadsigns?

What do ATSers think could cause this directive to come into effect and how?

nerbot, having been thinking of this for a while, I have settled on what seems the two most logical choices to bring this about.

1) A 'dirty bomb' in a smaller city. Perhaps one made with medical waste radiation products. By not using a mega city, declaring martial law in that area would seem logical, and yet not greatly effect the nation's economy. As more "information" was obtained by the government in their "investigation", it would be a natural progression to extend the "temporary" losses of liberty that would occur. A second, and even third bomb, just prior to the elections, in widely diverse areas of the nation, would then require FULL martial law. Because of the threat to citizens, the elections would have to be "postponed'.

2) A small nuke under the same setup as number one, and with the same results.

I favor the first scenario as more likely, because there is so much more 'material' in every city in America, therefor the 'danger factor' to everyone would be more plausible and easier to use to instill controlled panic.

Ok lets look at this a little closer.

The same talk was going on in 1999. "Bill Clinton is not going to leave office, Bill Clinton is going to declare martial law...blah, blah, blah.

If Bill Clinton was not smart enough to pull this off, why do you think Bush can?

Unless you truly believe Bush is alot smarter? If that is the case...admit it!

RR, Don't rule out Wild Bill Clinton just yet. After all, he wasn't the president much then anyway, his wife wore the pants.

And just because some in the past would have liked to be president for life doesn't mean that none of them do now.

Nothing like answering furuously a thread and then getting kicked off the Internet and losing the post.

How do i feel about this? Let me count the ways.

This is a breech birth president who fancies himself a dictator all along, no matter how upsetting it is for some, and beleive me, mark my words, HE WILL SEE TO IT THAT HE BECOMES DICTATOR officially very soon. Emergency circumstances? Well, heck, that shouldnt be much of a problem now, should it?

I listened to this on Coast to Coast and i litterally felt sick when i heard it. Its one thing to think it, but when you find out the papers have already been signed, well it becomes another thing.

Ruling over property, people, business, Bush, the Dictator- I could beleive it from another country, but the great old United States of America? Imagine no congress- they'll be out of a job. Bush/Cheney- the rulers.

People do not beleive this could happen here. Not us- this happens to other countries only. Well, guess what.

Its beyond sick- Oh, and BTW, what does congress have to say about such an action????? This just validates the fact that they're all in it together. Even the campaigning for presidency is a farce. Guess what? The DICTATOR will remain and nobody will be able to do anything about it WHEN IT HAPPENS OPENLY. Why not impeach his ars now that he's the incumbent dictator-in-waiting?????

Why isnt this in the news? Why doesnt the media mention this? Why doesnt anyone like Pelosi go for his jugular??? Because she's in on it too.
This is all premeditated crap- they know the final chapter of the book, but we dont- we can only speculate that this will lead to no good. We will be worse off than any other nation.

Why are people still blind? Waiting for the tanks to roll around the streets before they say "Hey! Something is wrong?"

Who ARE those people at Fox news anyway? Who is Rush Limbaugh? Who is Anne Coulter? Sean Hannity? Where did O'Reilly come from? The pitts of hell???? These people do not want a free America. They are cowards who will say anything for their paycheck- it has to be.

/Rant

dgtempe, damn, crashing really does wind you up!

I'm with you in feeling this way, though my blood pressure can't take that kind of intensity. But it does seem that way.

But I don't think Bush is completely sure it will work. In another thread I read how he's bought a ranch in South America, in a country that won't extradite him. That tells me, he's afraid of the American people.