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Topic started on 21-5-2007 @ 09:51 PM by the_sentinal
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Concentration Camps in the US are Beginning to Alarm Some Jews
www.israelnationalnews.com
 Shifra Hoffman tells Jews to flee America, and tells tales of detention camps in the US. Malkah and Tamar debate the truth. Plus: Jewish life
thrives on the internet - Akiva gives you a portal to the Jewish blogosphere (visit the link for the full news article)
Related News Links:
www.shuva.net
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reply posted on 21-5-2007 @ 09:51 PM by the_sentinal
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This is an interesting radio program in which Shifra Hoffman is calling on jews to leave America before it's too late, many of the similarities
between Nazi germany and recent events and feelings in the US are discussed.
www.israelnationalnews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)
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reply posted on 21-5-2007 @ 09:59 PM by Vitchilo
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Well I can say one thing for sure, it's not for the jews. It's for the middle-class and the patriots. Those who will revolt. A little lecture on
Rex-84, written in 86 by Cheney and Rumsfeld, would be useful for everyone.
In the document, they talk how it's for ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Now, they are trying real hard to push amnesty and North American Union themselves, so
you know FOR SURE it's NOT for illegal immigrants. It's for the real patriots.
Great find!
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reply posted on 21-5-2007 @ 10:03 PM by Justin Oldham
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I'd like to point out that there was recently a head-to-head debate on ATS about
Internment Camps in america. I encourage you all to have a look at it. I don't
know if the people on that web site will ever see what happens on ATS, but hey.
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reply posted on 21-5-2007 @ 10:14 PM by Muaddib
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Didn't we actually have some ATSers go to some of these supposed "concentration camps" and found that "it was all a hoax"?
This was about a year and a half ago or so.
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reply posted on 21-5-2007 @ 10:26 PM by the_sentinal
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 Originally posted by Muaddib
Didn't we actually have some ATSers go to some of these supposed "concentration camps" and found that "it was all a hoax"?
This was about a year and a half ago or so. 
If this is a hoax I would like to know, because it is very disturbing to think that such places exist in the US. one of the links on shuva.net
actually leads back to ATS for the camp pictures. I was proud to think that ATS is instrumental in bringing some of these issues to light, and used as
a source.
At this point I tend to agree with Vitchilo that these camps are not for the illegals but for the real patriots who stand up for the constituition. I
would also like to know more about REX84.
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reply posted on 21-5-2007 @ 10:37 PM by Vitchilo
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I don't know if all camps reported exists for real. But I know that germans during WW2 didn't know about them until after the war and that japaneses
were held in camps during WW2.
Also, I know that Rex-84 is for that type of operations, so they surely built some camps in the 80s. I've also red reports about them in various
newspapers in the last few years. Also, Halliburton have been contracted to build new camps. The last of it all, is that some Wal-Marts could be used
as temporary internment camps from documents I red.
Of course I'll believe it 100% when I see it happenning, but it will be too late. Now i'm over 50%, I can believe that such people can at least try
to do it. And if it is ever used, it will be for patriots, they'll use foreign troops or blackwater and use the reasons ``terrorists`` ``crisis
situation`` ``quarantine`` ``illegal aliens``.. they won't say for real who have been arrested and deported, but when we'll see the lists, if we
ever see them, we'll know that it's for patriots who oppose the destruction of the constitution and the North American Union imposition.
Anyway, they won't need many camps, because they would probably use them as death camps for hardcore patriots and send the slaves to Russia or China
for slave labor camps. They try this, they'll have a big surprise, even if they can simulate our reaction to a certain level with computers, humans
are not predicables.
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reply posted on 21-5-2007 @ 11:50 PM by RedGolem
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
I don't know if all camps reported exists for real. But I know that germans during WW2 didn't know about them until after the war and that japaneses
were held in camps during WW2.
I know that is what the Germans said but it was also said that with the stench of the burning bodies there was no way any one could not know what was
going on in the camps. Saying the camps did not exist was probably more of what they were expected to say.
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reply posted on 22-5-2007 @ 12:40 AM by Justin Oldham
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With regrets, I do think we have to approach this with more than fair skepticism. We need to consider the long-range possibilities. President Bush
has recently made changes to the Continuuty of Government policy that could make it
easier to engineer a crisis or capitalize on something that might happen right out of the blue.
The Posse Comitatus Act was compromised some time ago, and I can't help thinking
that it was done with future events in mind. Even with a long-range national disarmament
plan in effect, it would seem that our political and social elites might not want to take any chances. If we really do face a
dark future, I'd rather that we do so with our eyes wide open.
I did argue against internment camps in a recent debate, but I do think we'll need
to be on our guard when such facilities really do appear. If nothing else, the National
Intelligence Director under the next administration may argue that dissident camps could be necessary. As our leaders continue to
exploit terrorism and push for more centralized power, it'll be harder for us to
avoid a National I.D. card that could make it easier for them to put us in these kinds of facilities.
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reply posted on 22-5-2007 @ 01:31 AM by Muaddib
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Actually it wasn't 1.5 years, it was over 2 years ago that we had some member/s go to some of the supposed concentration camps and found nothing. I
did not save that old post but one of the older members might have.
BTW, I just searched for the name "Shifra Hoffman", and here is what i found.
 WHAT IS SHUVA?
SHUVA (RETURN) .. IS AN EMERGENCY EMIGRATION MOVEMENT DEDICATED TO THE SACRED PRINCIPLE "NEVER AGAIN" TO BE SILENT AS TAUGHT BY RABBI MEIR KAHANE
Z'Z'L. WHEN JEW-HATRED RAISES ITS UGLY HEAD ...AND TO PROMOTE ALIYAH (EMIGRATION) TO THE JEWISH HOMELAND!.
SHUVA (RETURN) BELIEVES TIME IS RUNNING OUT FOR THE AMERICAN JEWISH COMMUNITY, AND THAT JEWS MUST EMIGRATE NOW TO ISRAEL, THE JEWISH
HOMELAND,
The same person who is making those claims is the director of some group that "want all Jewish people to emigrat now to Israel"...
It is obvious this is just a ploy to try to get some Jewish people to leave the U.S. and "emigrate" to Israel.
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reply posted on 22-5-2007 @ 01:41 AM by the_sentinal
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What about Al Cuppett?? is this person worthy of hearing on the issue?, I stumbled on to some information from him concerning these camps and reading
his warnings left me with an ominous feeling about this subject, his background is this:
"Al Cuppett is a distinguished, retired military officer, winner of the Bronze Star and the Purple Heart. He is also a Department of Defense veteran
who spent six years on the Joint Chiefs of Staff. He's been warning us for years about the plans for MARTIAL LAW in America."
If a person of this caliber issues warnings that "MARTIAL LAW" is coming to America and a future round-up of patriot type Americans and people who
pose a potential threat..........should we listen more intently due to his background and possible exposure to classified information??
www.geocities.com...
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reply posted on 22-5-2007 @ 01:43 AM by Muaddib
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Justin Oldham, how is president Bush trying to disarm Americans when he has been the first American president in almost 50 years to actually defend
our Constitutional right to keep and bear arms?
Defending Our Greatest Human Right
President Bush vs. The UN Global Gun Grab
But in one of the great untold stories of our time, George W. Bush is turning back that assault.
In 2003, Bush's Justice Department reversed forty years of official policy -- through Republican and Democrat administrations alike -- claiming
the Second Amendment protects only the National Guard. For the first time in almost half a century, your government officially defends your right to
gun ownership before federal courts.
The President also signed a national Right-to-Carry law for law enforcement officers and an agreement with 17 major sportsmen's groups to improve
hunting and fishing access to Federal lands.
And on October 31 last year, Bush signed the "Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act", ending the ridiculous, made-up "right" to sue honest gun
manufacturers and retailers for the actions of violent thugs.Still Bush defends the right to bear arms
Email Print Normal font Large font Michael Gawenda in Washington and Mark Coultan in New York
April 18, 2007
EVEN as President George Bush told the nation he was praying for the victims, and that the killings in a place of learning would affect "every
American classroom and community", a White House official said Mr Bush continued to believe in the "right to bear arms".Bush defends the right to bear arms
.................
As renewed calls for tighter gun controls spread, the White House was quick to cut them off. A spokeswoman for Mr Bush said his policy was to
vigorously enforce the right to bear arms.
www.theage.com.au
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reply posted on 22-5-2007 @ 01:49 AM by Muaddib
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Sentinal, we have had rumours floating around the forums of "train carts" being prepared to haul Americans to one or another "concentration camp",
yet none of these rumours were true.
The closest thing was the refugee camps for those who had been displaced by Katrina, and could not find a place to stay, but those were not
"concentration camps".
I will try to see if i can find the old threads. I wish I had saved that link...
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reply posted on 22-5-2007 @ 01:54 AM by Netami
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maybe this might help some huh?
www.abovetopsecret.com...
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reply posted on 22-5-2007 @ 02:07 AM by the_sentinal
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yea, I found this concerning the railway cars your talking about pretty scary if it's true...... 
Some camps masquerade as a water facility or reservoir. There is usually a guard tower or shack
Police cars patrolling the several mile perimeter of the area, hidden from the highway.
There were about 100 black railroad cars manufactured in Oregon outfitted with shackles.
Once a major disaster occurs, real or manufactured, we are all in the hands of FEMA who
portray themselves as our protectors. Yet what happens when we question those in authority
and how they are taking away all of our freedoms? Who are they going to round up?
Those with guns? Those who ask questions? Does that include any of us? The seekers of truth?
How many are willing to take up that challenge? Very few indeed, otherwise we wouldn't find
ourselves imprisoned, locked in a psychiatric hospital, slaughtered (through make-believe suicides)
or discredited. Why are we all in denial over these possibilities?
Didn't we hear about prison camps in Germany, and even in the United States during
World War II? Japanese individuals were rounded up and placed in determent camps during
the duration of the War. You don't think it could happen to you? Obviously those rounded up
and killed didn't think it could happen to them either. How could decent people have witnessed
such atrocities and still said nothing? Are we going to do the same here as they cart people off one
by one who take a stand for the our rights, as they expose the truth happening behind the scenes?
There was more concerning some forms of transportation being aircraft 737's and such.
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reply posted on 22-5-2007 @ 02:18 AM by Muaddib
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"IF" Al Cuppett was in the military you think all former military personnel are sane?
If you want to believe it go ahead. All the claims I have read about those "concentration camps" have been nothing more than exagerations and lies.
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reply posted on 22-5-2007 @ 02:24 AM by the_sentinal
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Here is another excerpt from the information concerning the railcars, I have to admit this subject is a bit overwhelming for me given the fact that my
mother was in europe during WWII and use to tell me stories of seeing the jews carted off to the camps. they took some of her childhood friends, she
told me of the smell of burning bodies. My mother is past away now but the one thing she use to warn me about was how quickly a society can change.
Mr. Sea toured the Indiana Amtrak Railcar Repair Facility in 1994. There are 10+ maintenance barns here, covering 129 acres. The windows of several
buildings have been bricked up. Hence, you have three levels
of security for Amtrak repair barns! There are 3 helicopter wind socks. There are high security people
turnstiles, and high security lighting for 24-hour operation. The box car (gas chamber) building fence is
marked with special 'RED/BLUE Zone' signs. This corresponds to the 'mission'
of the 'RED/BLUE Zone Lists which surfaced in 1996.
Under martial law, this will become a death camp. They're only going to handle category one and two
'RED/BLUE Zone people there. This box car facility will be used for execution.
One of the barns is large enough to put 4 box cars into. There are powered vents on the top of the barn
to vent the gas out of the building after the box cars have been fumigated. All of the buildings have newly
installed 6 inch gas pipes and furnaces installed in all 'railroad barns.' FEMA has allocated $6 million to
make the walls and roofs of the buildings airtight.
Under martial law, this facility could be immediately used as an SS-style termination gas chamber.
In 1995, Amtrak Laid off 212 at Beech Grove Maintenance Center. Why perform $6 million worth of
renovations, and then lay off 212 people? Because the people doing the final executions will not be
Americans. They'll hire foreigners for this dirty task.
This sounds to far-fetched to be true.........but thats what they said in Nazi germany.
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reply posted on 22-5-2007 @ 02:39 AM by Muaddib
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There are problaby more rumours on the internet, than stars we can see in a cloudless night sky outside any big cities.
Where is the "proof", the evidence, the facts?
Most rumours are just "rumours" not based on fact.
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reply posted on 22-5-2007 @ 03:24 AM by Britguy
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Not the old "all Jews must move to Israel or something bad will happen to you" ploy again. There have been groups using this tactic to get Jewish
groups to move for years. Israel needs more immigrants in order to justify it's land grabs and to hold onto the land.
Just where does Israel intend putting all the immigrants, not to mention the increased infrastructure demands of a growing population. If I remember
correctly they also get aid to build new settlements, courtesy of the US government (used to I think, not sure if they still do).
If the take up is slow they can always revert back to fire-bombing a couple of Synagogues and painting a few swastikas on walls to show how much
anti-semitism there is 
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reply posted on 22-5-2007 @ 05:31 AM by infinite
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Originally posted by Muaddib
Didn't we actually have some ATSers go to some of these supposed "concentration camps" and found that "it was all a hoax"?
This was about a year and a half ago or so.
SOME camps were proved to be a hoax.
Others have been documented, with photo evidence too. But you are right, quite a few locations have been disproved.
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