POLITICS: Ugly Bush ad sparks backpedalling

The advocacy group/website MoveOn.org has been host to a contest called Bush In 30 Seconds, "an ad contest that�s intended to bring new talent and new messages into the world of mainstream political advertising." Furthermore, they claim to be "looking for the ad that best explains what this President and his policies are really about -- in only 30 seconds." Well... things got ugly today as an ad comparing Bush to Hitler had to be removed. But ATSNN has the ad. And here we have the problem with political extremism. Certainly there are valid reasons to consider how moments in history now, compare to similar moments 60 or more years ago, but shock and horror it seems, is too much even for the extreme left. After numerous complaints, MoveOn.org pulled the ad submission. Link to QuickTime Video Download the video and see for your self.

Here's a quote from the MoveOn.org site concerning the contest............:

"We're not going to post anything that would be inappropriate for television." - Moveon.org contest rules.



MoveOn.org, aka. 9-11 Peace.org, is a BS front for the American Communist Party. I hope they get their arses handed to them and to those Democrats found connected and recieving illegial funds from MoveOn.org and their possible breaking of FEC guidelines, laws, and regulations by accepting and then hiding their distribution of those funds to Democratic contenders!

"Brewing MoveOn Scandal Over Foreign Contributions Involves Dean, Clark Campaigns"
Link:
www.gopusa.com...

SkepticOverlord mentioned:
..."political extremism"....
Sure it is...its actually extreme liberalism.


The Simon Wiesenthal Center, an organization that has been hunting down Nazis for decades, said this concerning this MoveOn.org contest:

"This ad is not about Democrats or Republicans - it is about lies and a distortion of history...."
Link:
www.wiesenthal.com...


MoveOn.org is begging for an investigation.......




regards
seekerof

I liked the ad myself....

Remember these "extremists" aren't the ones in power.

I'd take extreme liberalism over extreme conservatism any day.



[Edited on 1/4/2004 by Flinx]

[Edited on 1/4/2004 by Flinx]

Flinx:
Fascists and anti-Fascists= two kinds of fascists.

Using comparisons to Hitler and/or Nazism/Nazis discredits the group, organization, or individual making the comparison far more than it discredits the 'object' of the comparison.



regards
seekerof

Originally posted by Seekerof Using comparisons to Hitler and/or Nazism/Nazis discredits the group, organization, or individual making the comparison far more than it discredits the 'object' of the comparison.

I agree... and this was the point of my reference to political extremism. One side (usually left) gets so caught up in their spew they loose sight of trying to communicate the message with a degree of credibility. -sigh- These past 4 years, politics have become more and more like religion.

hmmm just look at the judges ahha lets blacklist em

Oh ye aby the way look at there professions actors,directors, comedians, and so on im mean come on who really cares what most of these ppl think alot of em oare hs dropouts and such




Contest Judges
We've pulled together a panel of celebrity judges who will pick the winning ad from among the finalists. Together, these folks have hundreds of years of experience in the film, music, and political communities; they'll also help to ensure that the winning entry receives the attention that it deserves. We're proud to have them on board.

The Bush in 30 Seconds judging panel includes:

Jack Black
Actor, writer, comedian, and musician
Jack Black is a multi-faceted performer with TV, movies, theatre and music on his resume. He�s the front man of the band Tenancious D, and is also currently starring in the hit movie, �School Of Rock�. Jack got his professional start on the stage, appearing in Tim Robbins� production of �Carnage� at the 1989 Edinburgh Fringe Festival.

Benny Boom
Director/Gorilla Flix, Inc.
Benny Boom is the top ranked music video director of 2003. His extensive experience, tireless work ethic, and creative genius have produced some of the most visually ground-breaking and attention grabbing videos of the new millennium. Formally trained at Temple University's School of Radio, Television, & film, Boom continued his education under the watchful eye of Hype Williams at Big Dog Films, developing his directing eye and honing his skills. He has since directed music videos for P. Diddy, Nas, Nelly, Kelly Rowland of Destiny's Child, Lil' Kim & LL Cool J, and many others. He starts production on his first feature film next year.

Donna Brazile
Political strategist
Veteran Democratic political strategist Donna Brazile was the campaign manager for Gore/Lieberman 2000�the first African American woman to lead a major presidential campaign. She is a weekly contributor and political commentator on CNN�s Inside Politics and Late Edition, and appears regularly on MSNBC�s Hardball and Fox News Channel�s Hannity & Colmes. Ms. Brazile is a senior fellow at the Academy of Leadership, University of Maryland, and was recently appointed as national chair of the Voting Rights Institute.

James Carville
Political strategist and commentator
James Carville is one of America�s most well known and most colorful political consultants. He has managed more campaigns than any other political consultant in America and has expanded his realm of influence to include Europe, the Middle East and South America. Carville is a co-host of CNN�s political debate program �Crossfire.� An outspoken political strategist and commentator, he served as senior political adviser to President Bill Clinton, whom he is credited with helping to elect.

Margaret Cho
Comedian
Margaret Cho is an award winning writer and comedian who�s been honored by the National Organization for Women, GLAAD, the Asian American Legal Dense and Education Fund and many others for �making a significant difference in promoting equal rights for all, regardless of race, sexual orientation or gender identity.� This year, Margaret embarked on her 3rd critically acclaimed sold-out national tour, �Revolution�. Her first two tours, "I'm The One That I Want" and "Notorious C.H.O." were made into films and will be airing on Showtime in December.

Hector Elizondo
Actor
An award-winning actor whose successful career has spanned 40 years of film, television, theater and radio. Hector recently received the Diversity Award�s prestigious �Integrity Award� and is an avid supporter of several charitable organizations including Amnesty International.

Al Franken
Comedian, author and commentator
An Emmy Award-winning television writer and producer, New York Times bestselling author, and Grammy-winning comedian, Al Franken was part of the original writing staff that created the groundbreaking late night show �Saturday Night Live�. In 1992, he anchored Comedy Central�s �Indecision �92�, winning wide critical acclaim for his coverage of both conventions and election night, and has since remained a passionate and outspoken political commentator. His latest book, �Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right�, was The New York Times #1 bestseller for six weeks and is still on the list.

Janeane Garofalo
Comedian, actor and commentator
Janeane is a passionate voice for diplomacy and peace, and has appeared as a political commentator on Crossfire, Inside Politics, Good Morning America, Fox News Sunday, MSNBC and CNN. Janeane rose to fame as a regular on �Saturday Night Live,� �The Larry Sanders Show�, and the Emmy Award-winning �Ben Stiller Show.� She�s acted in a number of films, including: �Steal This Movie�, �The Laramie Project�, �Dogma�, and �Reality Bites�.

Stan Greenberg
Pollster/Author
Stanley Greenberg is Chairman of Greenberg Research and CEO of Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research . He has served as polling advisor to President Bill Clinton, President Nelson Mandela and Prime Minister Tony Blair and their national campaigns. Greenberg provides strategic advice and research for companies, organizations and campaigns trying to advance their issues amid shifting social currents. He has focused on a range of social issues, including the environment and climate change, technology and the Internet, democratization, globalization and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Ted Hope
Producer/Partner/Founder This is that corp.
Ted Hope, together with partners Anthony Bregman and Anne Carey, runs the New York production company This is that, formed out of the production and development arms of the groundbreaking Good Machine. This is that's initial year will yield three features: Alejandro Gonzalez Inarritu's �21 Grams�, (starring Sean Penn, Benicio Del Toro & Naomi Watts), Michel Gondry and Charlie Kaufman's �Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind� (starring Jim Carrey & Kate Winslet) and Kip Williams' �The Door in the Floor� (starring Jeff Bridges & Kim Basinger, based on a novel by John Irving). Ted Hope has produced/co-produced such groundbreaking films as �American Splendor�, Todd Field's "In The Bedroom", and many of Ang Lee's films including "Ice Storm", & the Academy Award nominated "The Wedding Banquet". Hope also produced the Cannes Critics' Prize-winning �Happiness�, directed by Todd Solondz, which Hope and his partners at Good Machine released themselves, when its distributor dropped the film. Hope got his start as a producer collaborating with Hal Hartley, eight films in all, including "Amateur","Simple Men" & "Trust". Hope is credited with producing 50 films to date. Recently Hope played a key role in the organization of the successful campaign in opposition to the MPAA�s Screener Ban.

Jessica Lange
Actor, Activist
Jessica Lange has produced a body of work that is unquestionably brilliant, receiving six Academy Award nominations and winning two. Some of her legendary film roles include �The Postman Always Rings Twice�, �Frances�, �Tootsie�, �All That Jazz�, �Cape Fear�, �Blue Sky� and �Sweet Dreams�. On Thanksgiving of this year, Lange will star alongside Ewan McGregor and Billy Crudup in Tim Burton�s �Big Fish� for Columbia Pictures. She was also seen (and Emmy nominated) this year in HBO�s �Normal.� Later this year, Jessica will be seen in �Prozac Nation� alongside Christina Ricci and in �Masked and Anonymous,� directed by Larry Charles and also stars Bob Dylan.

Michael Mann
Producer, Director, Writer
Michael Mann�s most recent film was the Academy Award nominated �Ali�. Educated at the University of Wisconsin and the London Film School, he was the director of the worldwide critical and commercial success, �Heat�, starring Robert De Niro and Al Pacino, and has directed/co-written/produced such films as �The Insider� starring Russell Crowe, �The Last of the Mohicans�, and �Manhunter�. In the mid 1980s, Michael Mann was the executive producer of �Miami Vice�, and in 1989, made the six-hour �Drug Wars: The Camarena Story�, which won an Emmy for best miniseries.

Moby
Musician
Moby is an award winning, Grammy-nominated worldwide multi-platinum selling recording artist, producer and musician with 13 albums under his belt. He�s also an activist and owner of NYC caf� Teany. Moby is a co-founder of MoveOn.org�s �Bush in 30 Seconds� project.

Michael Moore
Filmmaker and author
Michael Moore is the Oscar-winning filmmaker of �Bowling for Columbine� and the groundbreaking classic �Roger & Me�. He is also the Emmy-winning writer/director/host of TV Nation and The Awful Truth. His last book, �Stupid White Men� spent 58 weeks on The New York Times bestseller list, and his latest book �Dude, Where�s My Country?� has been #1 on both the NY Times and LA Times Best-Seller Lists since its debut.

Mark Pellington
Filmmaker
This prolific director�s resume includes award-winning and groundbreaking music videos, an acclaimed five-part 1996 PBS anthology �The United States of Poetry�, a tour across America guided by poets and spoken word artists, as well as the feature films �Going All the Way�, �Arlington Road� and �The Mothman Propecies�.

Tony Shalhoub
Actor/Producer
Tony Shalhoub is the star and producer of the Golden Globe and Emmy winning TV series, �Monk.� After earning his master's degree from the Yale Drama School and a luminous career on Broadway (including a Tony nomination for his role in �Conservations With My Father�), Tony went on to deliver memorable performances in films as diverse as �Spy Kids� to the critically acclaimed �Big Night�, Winning the Best Supporting Actor award from the National Society of Film Critics.

Russell Simmons
Chairman, CEO Rush Communications
Since its inception in the late 1970s, Russell Simmons has been instrumental in bringing Hip-Hop to every facet of business and media: in music with the immensely successful Def Jam Recordings; in film with Simmons Lathan Media Group; in television with HBO�s �The Def Comedy Jam� and �Russell Simmons Presents Def Poetry�; on Broadway with the critically-acclaimed stage production �Russell Simmons Def Poetry Jam on Broadway�; in magazine publishing with �OneWorld� Magazine; and in the community with Rush Philanthropic Arts Foundation and the Hip Hop Summit Action Network. Russell and his ventures are driven by a personal and corporate belief that hip-hop is an enormously influential agent for social change which must be responsibly and proactively utilized to fight the war on poverty and ignorance.

Michael Stipe
Musician/Film Producer
As the lead singer and lyricist for R.E.M., Michael helped form the band in 1980 and R.E.M. has since recorded 14 albums. Michael is also a successful independent film producer, founding Single Cell Productions in 1993, and has produced such indie favorites as �Velvet Goldmine�, �American Movie� and the Academy Award nominated �Being John Malkovich�.

Gus Van Sant
Director, Author
The director of such modern classics as �My Own Private Idaho,� �To Die For�, and �Good Will Hunting� (receiving an Academy Award nomination for Best Director), Gus Van Sant recently won the Palm D�or at the Cannes Film Festival for his critically acclaimed and controversial new film �Elephant�. Gus is also the author of the novel �Pink�.

Katrina Vanden Heuvel
Editor, The Nation
Since 1865, the Nation has been bringing a critical progressive spirit to the discussion of political and social questions. Katrina Vanden Heuvel is also a member of the board of directors of the Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt Institute.

Eddie Vedder
Musician, Activist
Eddie Vedder has been the lead singer, lyricist and songwriter of Pearl Jam since 1990. Pearl Jam is one of the most influential rock bands of 90s, and continue to make ground breaking music today. Eddie is a passionate defender of human and environmental rights, supporting, with Pearl Jam, many institutions and causes toward that end.


[Edited on 1^4^04 by Quicksilver]

SIMON WIESENTHAL CENTER CRITICIZES MOVEON.ORG FOR POSTING AD COMPARING BUSH TO HITLER The Simon Wiesenthal Center sharply criticized MoveOn.org for accepting and posting an ad comparing President George Bush to Adolf Hitler. �Politics and preparing for a presidential election is one thing, but comparing the Bush Administration�s fight against Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein with the policies of Adolf Hitler is shameful and beyond the pale and has no place in the legitimate discourse of American politics,� said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the Center�s dean and founder. �This ad is not about Democrats or Republicans - it is about lies and a distortion of history,� he added. www.wiesenthal.com...

Nothing is true, everything is permissable

[Edited on 11-1-2004 by Voice_of Doom]

[Edited on 11-1-2004 by Voice_of Doom]

As a CENTRIST ( I REFUSE to be "SOLD" by EITHER party) I have to AGREE whole heartedly with those who lambasted this mockery of the American Way...

Additionally, as much as I HATE to admit it, I must also agree with SkepticOverlord (every time I do this I get a "Warning"(!) Go figure...) that Politics in America is becoming more and more like Organized Religion...

I made a post on another thread earlier today that quite clearly expressed my views on BOTH of these "Mind Numbing" social clubs... IMHO the ONLY reason organized religion and political parties exist is to offer their LAMO membership somewhere to gather with like minded folk who need direction on how to live their lives.

I beleive the current "catch phrase" for folk of this ilk is "Sheeple"... Kinda says it all doesn't it?

On another issue, while related to this yet different, I will be posting a URL in the VERY NEAR FUTURE that will take you to a ONE PAGE, NON-INTERACTIVE statement of what I beleive we should be pondering this "election season"...

I ASSURE you it will ruffle some feathers on those whose heads are CLEARLY lost in the Rectum Fields of Yorik Nine and bring TEARS to the eyes of those who are NOT...

PEACE...
m...





[Edited on 1-4-2004 by Springer]

Originally posted by Seekerof
Using comparisons to Hitler and/or Nazism/Nazis discredits the group, organization, or individual making the comparison far more than it discredits the 'object' of the comparison.

I agree and have held Rush Limbaugh in great disdain for a decade as credited with the rampant assertion that Hillary is Hitler or HITLERY. That in large part, along with the seeming willingness of MOST conservatives to coin all things liberal as Nazi (Feminazis) or Facist (being PC) or Socialist (balancing the budget!) has made for a very frustrated and outraged left, that has turned the tides on the likes of playground bullies like Limbaugh and his minions.

Originally posted by ScepticOverlord
... and this was the point of my reference to political extremism. One side (usually left) gets so caught up in their spew they loose sight of trying to communicate the message with a degree of credibility.

And I agree here too about extremism, and even that the left in particular loves to hear itself talk, elaborate, explain and in general show off them fancy educations. Some liberal politicians love their $10 words so much, Bush thinks they're speaking in code!

But again, as for spewing...and the religion of politics, please remember the left doesn't have ANYONE that comes close to Limbaugh, Robertson and O'Reilly. If it weren't for conservatives constantly bringing it to my attention (as a moderate liberal) I never would have even heard of MoveOn.org.

Heck, I wouldn't even know LIBERAL was such a dirty word!!!

[Edited on 5-1-2004 by RANT]

It's nice to know how low people will sink to win.

What they will do to be 'correct and in control.'

What they will do to make themselves feel secure.

Of course they always avoid the obvious and that is themselves.

www.drudgereport.com... "NEW VIDEO UNCOVERED: MOVEON.ORG FINALIST IS PRODUCER OF ANOTHER BUSH/HITLER AD Wed Jan 07 2004 17:06:59 ET "One of the finalists of the MoveOn.org ad contest is responsible for another heinous web video that compares Bush to Hitler, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned"