Originally posted by spf33
it sure does. not that i was a fan or anything before, but this development is enough for me to discount anything she reports from hear on out. on any subject.
just wow. no wonder the field of ufology is continually scoffed at!
this almost makes me want to go ahead and delete all my posts here and at omf.

Maybe she simply made a mistake. No need to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Re alphabet on the wings.
I was browsing the Mufon message board where a member said the letters looked like those from The Keepers, by Jim Sparks, pg 46.
Anyone here familiar with this alphabet to have this as a possibility?

Originally posted by Latitude

Originally posted by spf33
it sure does. not that i was a fan or anything before, but this development is enough for me to discount anything she reports from hear on out. on any subject.
just wow. no wonder the field of ufology is continually scoffed at!
this almost makes me want to go ahead and delete all my posts here and at omf.

Maybe she simply made a mistake. No need to throw the baby out with the bath water.

I'm sorry, but one of the responsibilities of a journalist is to check sources and verify. If you are going to set yourself up as a purveyor of truth and one who ferrets out truth from those who would withhold it from you, claiming conspiracy wherever you turn, you have a responsibility to ensure your sources are bona fide. This incident shows conclusively that Linda Howe does NOT check her choices. She does NOT verify the information she receives. She just repeats and misunderstands it. This puts her on the level with National Enquirer and other gossip columnists who give journalism the reputation it has. There is really no excuse for this behavior. If you (or I) came up with the kind of statement she has made, we would be laughed off this forum with derision, scorn, and contempt at how easily we were duped, and in this case, not even intentionally! This fellow did not put this up as an example of reality. He said, in effect, 'look, I can fake this. Isn't this cool. I didn't spend much time on this." (check it out.) She has proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that she can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory as easily as any derided government. I think we can all forgive a simple mistake, but in this case, Linda Howe not only threw the baby out with the bath water, she killed the baby.

Originally posted by schuyler
all forgive a simple mistake, but in this case, Linda Howe not only threw the baby out with the bath water, she killed the baby.

Ouch. Ok but why are you "pissed at UFOs"? You weren't probed were you?

Originally posted by Latitude

Originally posted by schuyler
all forgive a simple mistake, but in this case, Linda Howe not only threw the baby out with the bath water, she killed the baby.

Ouch. Ok but why are you "pissed at UFOs"? You weren't probed were you?

No. Thanks for the question. I know this is off topic and I don't expect any responses to this because this is about "the crafts." But I feel compelled to answer, and I apologize up front. For craft info, just skip this. I hope I don't get into trouble. This is an old post that I can't find.

I'm pissed at the UFO guys. Really. Why are they such incredible wusses? They sneak around in the dark. They kidnap innocent people, use mind control on them and shove implants up their wazzus. They conduct secret experiments or drain blood from our livestock. What? Is this supposed to scare us? Every time they are seen they run away or disappear. Every time one of their flimsy ships hits a radar beam it crashes, so I think they know we're not scared of them.

But they do all this stealth nonsense and mess up our wheat with crazy crop circles nobody understands. Oh, yeah, it's a Mandelbrot set, but what the f does it mean? If they do make contact, it's either with a doped up 60's leftover hippy with LSD flashbacks who fakes UFO models with pie tins, buys plastic ray guns off ebay and says they're real, or some secret government new world order fascist commie masonic black project type who doesn't want to tell anybody, or some whacky channeler who makes up stuff anyway. I mean, really; if they want us to change why don't they talk to some credible people? And, no, Greer isn't credible. He USED to be credible, but he whigged out. We can get you a list of a dozen credible people in a few minutes, really. How about Stan Friedman? All he talks about is stuff that happened half a century ago anyway; he needs some new material. How about the Dali Lama? How about Al Gore? (Well, no, forget that.) Show up during a Presidential debate. Now that would be cool! How about the Amazing Randi? Really, this is easy. Just ask. There are still a few people out here who haven't completely destroyed their own reputations. Use them.

And stop with this inter-dimensional reincarnational soul catcher crapola. Yeah, I know it's probably true, but you don't have to go there. It's too complex. It's counter-productive. And besides, that WILL really freak us out. Save it for AFTER you address a joint session of Congress, Parliament, and the kibbutz (or whatever). And, look. We promise not to panic. We all watched Aliens, for god's sake and we kicked the crap out of you in Independence Day. We didn't panic then. The religious zealots will just attend church more, we guarantee it. If you look like the Close Encounters guys you'll do fine. We like them; they're cute.

And these jerk aliens have gotten worse over time. They used to give you straight answers. At least when they talked to George Adamski the alien guys got out of their spaceships and shook hands and said yeah, we're from Venus and you better stop messing with nuclear weapons. So that's what we did. Oh, there have been a coupla tests since then, and we sure did build a lot of them, but we never set them off on people again after the space guys told us not to. Besides, there are a lot less of them than there used to be.

If these jerks are so interested in our well being or the well being of the planet then they need to stop messing around. They need to show themselves, land on the white house lawn (or Paris or London or New Delhi. I don't really give a rat's behind WHERE, just DO IT! No, we're not going to shoot you down. I thought you guys could handle it, anyway. Make sure the cameras are there.

And if they tell us, look, humans, you gotta go to solar power in ten years. You already know how to do it. You have the technology. You have to phase out carbon. So here's the plan. You go to solar and we'll let you into the Galactic Federation and give you lots of cool stuff. Given a generation you'll all be rich as hell and nobody starves. Humanity no longer suffers and everyone's happy. Deal?

So that's what the UFO guys need to do. Quit hiding behind trees, come out in the open and say, "Hey, we're here. You must deal with us. You have no choice." But if you continue to hide and play games only the weirdos and nutcases and New Agers will believe you. And that simply is not enough to be effective. Get over yourselves and Come on Down!

I'm sure you're saying you're sorry you asked, but what the hey. Ask an ye shall receive. My humble and abject apologies to the egg beater crowd. Hey, I'm with ya on this one!

Originally posted by schuyler
If they do make contact, it's either with a doped up 60's leftover hippy with LSD flashbacks who fakes UFO models with pie tins, buys plastic ray guns off ebay and says they're real, or some secret government new world order fascist commie masonic black project type who doesn't want to tell anybody, or some whacky channeler who makes up stuff anyway.

I have to agree with you on that. Makes you wonder why it happens like that. Maybe i should try some LSD sometime to and act as a hippy, who knows, maybe i can't get contact to that way.

Very interesting story Schuyler.

Thanks, eaglewingz! Definitely not this alphabet.
I'm going to go with Japanese/Japanese-stylized; and I'ld like to meet the person(s) who put this together.

Maybe she simply made a mistake. No need to throw the baby out with the bath water.

made a mistake? what mistake?

to water down this current northern california mystery with 2 year old witness account, and a 1 year old witness account with a very questionable image?

i think the addition of the alabama photo and tale and the sequoia tale dramatically reduces the impact of what is happening right now.

why not focus the attention, while the issue is being presented to a huge audience on c2c, on the current norcal issue with the absolute strongest evidence first - chad\tahoe\rajman?

still waiting for the interview to start...so, my opinion may change.

So that's what the UFO guys need to do. Quit hiding behind trees, come out in the open and say, "Hey, we're here. You must deal with us. You have no choice."

I saw a UFO once. It was during a backpacking trip in the Sierra Nevadas in August of 1988. While hiking along a trail back toward camp, I looked up in the sky and noticed what appeared to be a silver disk travelling at a high rate of speed just above the horizon. I was quite startled by this: until I realized that the "disk" was actually a cargo plane - it was far enough away and flying at just the right angle at which I couldn't see the wings, and from my perspective the aluminum fuselage made it look just like a big silver disk.

From that point on I gained a new appreciation for skepticism. So many things can be misinterpereted as something else, and to answer the above quote; the reason the UFO guys don't come out into the open is because they probably don't exist.

Wow!! This thing sounds like it is real, plenty of people have seen this object now.Listening to coast to coast right now .Wow!!

[edit on 26-5-2007 by deadjed]

[edit on 26-5-2007 by deadjed]

Yeah, Linda's witness does sound VERY credible, and she says in her own words that it was identical to the Chad craft, and was flying under it's own power.

Sounds a lot like an experimental light UAV. I'm also noticing that the craft seems to like flying over power lines.

It makes me wonder: if this isn't some kind of propeller-driven hovercraft, could it instead utilize superconding ceramic technology and electromagnetic repulsion as a means of keeping it airborne? Maybe from the power lines?





[edit on 26-5-2007 by Flatwoods]

Please someone, what is that thing in the pick, whats a drone?

Originally posted by Flatwoods
Yeah, Linda's witness does sound VERY credible

really?
i thought the witness sounded strangely overly cheery and way too eager to please and be led.




[edit on 26-5-2007 by spf33]

Originally posted by spf33

Originally posted by Flatwoods
Yeah, Linda's witness does sound VERY credible

really?
i thought the witness sounded strangely overly cheery and way too eager to please and be led.




[edit on 26-5-2007 by spf33]

That was just my first impression. Afterwards, I started to realize that there are a lot of people who just want attention, and this "witness" could easily be one of those.

By the way, how come we don't have a name for this thing? Just calling it a drone is getting a little cumbersome. I suggest we call it a Northern California Chadsquito. It's scientific name could be Hoaxus Photoshopius, or something like that.

After listening to Linda Moulon Howe on this evening's C2C . . . I'm more convinced than ever that the photos of the different craft versions are authentic and not photoshopped.

The one report--taped--of the woman who went camping in Sequoia with her dad--but had to leave from headache and nausia . . . got lost trying to get out of the park and stopped at a Ranger Station (I think with the craft still visible) . . . the Ranger did not even look up but gave her some BS story about just a craft they use to monitor forest fires . . .

The Birmingham case . . .

The variations on the theme design wise . . .

The report of the white unmarked vans appearing near one sighting next to a construction site where all the other vehicles were dirty etc.

The woman reporting the stop at the ranger's station was interviewed on the phone for 2-3 hours or some such. Her voice, tones, inflections, vocabulary choices and general language use all spoke loudly to this shrink that her narrative was authentic.

. . . all such leads me to be more convinced than ever that the craft and sightings are quite authentic.

Also interesting on tonight's C2C with Linda--was the caller who claimed to have worked briefly (on contract, I think) at area 51 or near there . . . was ordered to approach the base from an remote route or some such . . . had a "fighter jet" pull up along side his vehicle.

--his vehicle was going 35 mph . . . the "fighter jet" kept pace with him at that slow speed for a considerable amount of time.

--the "fighter jet" was SILENT

--the "fighter jet" dipped his wing to look at the caller in the caller's vehicle--and "flew" that way for a considerable distance. Normally, dipped wings result in circles???

--the same caller had seen on that job--"jets" parked stationary in the sky in daylight--awaiting their turn to land.

. . . . The thicken plots. Any other such reports as the latter or re the "dragon fly" craft?

Not so. Linda Moulton Howe went to pointed lengths to insure that the identity of the retired social services psych tech woman was well known and that Linda had all her contact info.

But that the woman had recently applied for a new job and did not want all the standard furor surrounding such incidents to hinder her in her new job.

I assure you as someone who's interviewed counseling clients for decades . . . the woman's narrative was quite authentic and candid.

I no longer have any doubt that these craft are real; that the photos are as they are purported to be . . . and that we have not heard of the last of such craft.

If the Sequoia witness's story is factual, then it casts doubt on the CGI explanation. The Area 51 story, however, doesn't seem related to this case.

Call it a "dragonfly" if you want, I still prefer "Chadsquito", lol!