Dr. Steven M. Greer's Extraterrestrial Contact

A year or so ago I came across a battered 1st edition copy of Extraterrestrial Contact: The Evidence and Implications by a Steven M. Greer, M.D. I purchased it for a reasonable price of £10 and put it on my shelf in the appropriate section, where it has remained -- unread... until just last week. After reading it -- the contents, in my opinion, raise legitimate questions as to the credibility of Steven Greer's earlier work.

For those of you who haven't read it; the beginning chapters start off fairly promising -- as you can see from this snippet of the first few lines under Introduction:



I guess if you're writing a book such as this, you would want to lay the foundation that you know what you're talking about, right? It would be a good start. I find it hard to believe that the Director of Central Intelligence would have any trouble obtaining information, but never mind. Greer goes on to state that the CIA Director and his wife had seen a UFO in broad daylight, and believed that they existed -- before outlining the reasons for writing Extraterrestrial Contact, which, primarily, are to "explain what all of this means" -- as the sub-heading of the title suggests.

A good start, right?

I'll skip a few chapters that detail topics such as Greer's opinions on the implications of an Extraterrestrial disclosure, his tasks to achieve Humanity's goal in the Universe (which includes implementing a type of 'New World Order' on Earth), CSETI's protocols, and ET abductions and technology. It's only fair of me to note that these chapters do include interviews and quotations of various Military personnel reminiscent of his popular work on The Disclosure Project -- which I find to be more credible. The following chapters are devoted to reporting several encounters various Armed Forces around the World have had with this line of phenomena, and cite multiple Military witnesses.

If anyone is even reading this, you're probably asking:

"So what is the problem?"

Well, the trouble arises with the adventures of Steven Greer and "The Ambassadors to the Universe." A research team led by Greer and some Colleagues, who train up groups of volunteer recruits to perform strange tasks such as "surrounding the Earth with a protective layer of healing energy," while they camp out in the countryside terrain of England, or Mexico, waiting for unidentified flying objects to appear.

If I'm starting to sound like a facetious skeptic, I suggest you read this quote from page 255 first, before you call me one:



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[edit on 20-5-2007 by Nobusuke Tagomi]

As you can see, that wasn’t written by Greer himself, it was written by Linda Willits and Shari Adamiak about an “Ambassadors to the Universe” training session in England, 1997. But it appears in Greer’s book on page 255 –- exactly as I have reproduced it here -- with the last sentence running to the top of page 256, so Greer must have approved of it.

Now, I try to keep an open mind, but to me this sounds absolutely staged. It isn’t the only instance in the book, either. It probably isn’t even the worst – it was just the first one that I found when skipping back through the book for the purposes of writing this thread. There are hundreds of incredibly far fetched claims throughout “The adventures of The Ambassadors to the Universe” chapters. For all I know they could all be true, but I very much doubt it.

Can we really trust that Dr. Steven Greer doesn’t still have dinner parties with CIA Directors, but for other reasons? I hate to sound like a debunker, but I think this really needs pointing out. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I haven’t seen a single mention of this book anywhere on ATS – although Greer is discussed often.

Here are a few more incredible, yet lesser known claims made by Greer and his associates:



That one is weird, but relatively tame. Look at this next quote:



Like I mentioned in my previous post, I try to keep an open mind and not dismiss things out of hand that seem implausible to me -- but these sound like complete whoppers. They say that a lie is often best concealed between two truths. Guess where these huge claims are made -- right in the middle of the book, sandwiched between all the Military accounts and the more credible data.

Foul play.


[edit on 20-5-2007 by Nobusuke Tagomi]

I don't enjoy having to bump a thread in this fashion, but doesn't anyone agree, or disagree?

Doesn't anyone have anything to say at all?

I'm sure it's online somewhere, but Woolsey and other folks at the dinner party were quite "put out" when they saw this in print, and sent Greer a letter which quite clearly pointed out that EVERYONE at the dinner party except for Greer saw it as a small dinner party and informal gathering...and certainly not a "briefing". This term builds it up to be more than it was. I'll see if I can find it....\

EDIT: Ahh, here it is...knew I read this somewhere....

www.ufowatchdog.com...

[edit on 21-5-2007 by Gazrok]

This has been discusssed to death in many other forums.

If we could consider Woolsey's letter as a cease and desist letter, then it would have been in Greer's best interest to stop reporting that he spoke with Woolsey.

But he never has, Greer's 2007 book Hidden starts off with the account.

He also reveals in 2007 that the meeting was confirmed by Woolsey's friend in a fedex, revealing the true nature of the dinner party.

If you had read the rest of the book you mentioned as well as Hidden you would have also seen that there are some officials that know about ETs and some that don't and that regardless of an official's positions in US government if the people in charge of the info don't want someone to know, they aren't going to.

I believe GWB's father knew, but that his son doesn't, but his son's VP does.

I believe most Democratic VPs don't know.

About the ET going in Greer's room, well...Greer himself states that sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction and that he is hesitant to share some of the things he has shared.

Why?

As you have stated it ruins credibility.

It's pretty wild if it's true, but nothing you have stated as evidence convicts Greer of anything improper or illegal or deceptive.

I think Greer is genuine, but has been subject to slander and burial of his information. How much of what he says is true.. that is something you have to decide.

IMO there is alot to his work that is genuine. Why? Because he seems very open and loving, and the ONLY truth is love. I know this from experience, it is something you can not be told, but must learn on your own.

The whole reptilians, government is going to imprison us forever, 2012 being the end of the world.. those are example of the truth having a slanted edge added to it.

2012 is going to transform this planet in a positive way

Who said THAT? I was merely pointing out that he is prone to misquoting others and exaggeration.

Don't get me wrong, some of the witnesses in the Disclosure Project are amazing. However, Greer's inability to separate the wheat from the chaff, and his wanton inclusion of the "lunatic fringe" of UFOlogy will continue to prevent him from getting any desirable action. Ultimately, he may cause more harm to the subject than good (in my humble opinion of course).

I also don't doubt that there are indeed officials that are far more knowledgable on the subject of UFOs than they would ever admit. Bush Sr. is certainly a likely candidate. Chaney is another good bet. (I only hope that Bush Jr. doesn't know, lol)....

However, none of this changes that hosting UFO retreats to attempt to summon UFOs is probably not the best way to get Congress to take you seriously....

So he was even being deceitful about that, too? I had never heard about this. Who should we believe; Greer, or Woolsey?



Thank you. If that is a genuine letter from Woolsey -- and it looks like it is, then that is very damaging for Greer. I feel I should point out that UFO Watchdog have confused things further. On the link you provided, the text accompanying the letter reads:



Greer claims that it was he who briefed Woolsey, not the other way round. I doubt they did it on purpose but it needed to be corrected.

Regardless of whether Greer was telling the truth or not, there are some more fantastic claims he and his associates have made that warrant further questioning.

Nevertheless, the letter exists. Maybe it isn't "really" a 'cease and desist' letter (legally speaking, anyway), but the letter exists. Maybe Greer DOES keep repeating the tale, but the letter exists. Maybe the writer doesn't want to follow through with the expense and publicity of a legal challenge, but the letter exists. Maybe the writer doesn't want to let on what he really knows or believes, but the letter exists. No matter what any of us say or how we characterize it, the letter exists.

And the letter says, in essence, 'stop mis-characterizing this dinner. I was being polite, that's all.' You can say what you want about the letter, but it is not going away.

I believe that Greer has modelled his new career on Billy Meier's hoax pseudo religion. Even down to the claims of attempts on his life! I would guess that Greer has studied Meier's methods and pretty much duplicated them for himself - personal contact with extraterrestrials, save the world with meditation etc. It's quite clear that there are plenty more gullible fish in the sea to fund these charlatan crackpots.

I only mentioned it as a tidbit because I remembered reading the letter.

Greer does far more damage to himself and his cause by far more acts and publications than this...unfortunately. I say unfortunately, because there really are some great witnesses in the Disclosure Project...but equally unfortunately, a lot of "kooks"....(or at least how they'd be regarded by a serious inquiry).

The whole Disclosure Project thing was such an exciting prospect; it could have been pushed so far. But now I can only view it in one of two frames of mind.

1) Someone 'got to' Greer and it was decided that the whole thing could be discredited by the inclusion of matters metaphysical... not the kind of thing the press club would be too terribly interested in.

2) The whole thing is the biggest 'sting operation' in the history of ufology. All those seemingly genuine folks in important positions willing to talk only to be put into this situation... one can only hope that they would talk again under the auspices of some other disclosure effort.

Sorry, I haven't seen any of that.



Is this "friend" on the record?



Sir, I read the entire work from cover to cover. I was well aware that some Government and Military Officials know about "ETs" whilst some don't long before I read this book. Perhaps a more accurate statement would be; I was well aware that some Government and Military Officials say they know about "ETs" whilst some say they don't long before I read this book. I have no idea who's telling the truth and who isn't, and I would be surprised if you did.




Well, actually what I said was; "I think it raises legitimate questions as to the credibility of Greer's earlier work." I didn't say "it ruins his credibility" anywhere.

Listen... I want to make it very clear that I'm not someone who makes a habit of debunking these types of issues. I don't doubt that Aliens, UFO's, and all kinds of weird and wonderful things exist throughout the Universe, I'm just aware that there are also people out there a little bit closer to home who would pray on such a belief for financial gain, or some other reason. There are a billion fakes, and frauds.



What if it's not true? What then? Besides, you just said "it ruins his credibility."

Make your mind up.

If I assumed more than what you were assuming, I apologize.

Your statement regarding him being prone to misquoting others and exaggeration is what I was addressing. Although I can see how someone might speculate that he is overstating and misquoting, I can offer reasons why I don't believe that's what he's doing.




[edit on 21-5-2007 by c3hamby]

yes. Hidden, 2007




Well, actually what I said was; "I think it raises legitimate questions as to the credibility of Greer's earlier work." I didn't say "it ruins his credibility" anywhere.

Listen... I want to make it very clear that I'm not someone who makes a habit of debunking these types of issues. I don't doubt that Aliens, UFO's, and all kinds of weird and wonderful things exist throughout the Universe, I'm just aware that there are also people out there a little bit closer to home who would pray on such a belief for financial gain, or some other reason. There are a billion fakes, and frauds.



What if it's not true? What then? Besides, you just said "it ruins his credibility."

Make your mind up.

Would I have to buy Greer's new book, Hidden, to view the evidence; or can you provide it for me here?



You didn't answer my question. I asked; "What if it's not true? What then?" That would "convict" Greer of something improper, and deceptive; wouldn't it? I know the book was written several years ago, but if it's full of [REDACTED] then I want to bring that to light -- no matter when it was written.

I don't mean to be rude, or come off as arrogant; but you and I aren't on the same page at all. You take Greer's word without questioning it, where as I don't take Greer's word for anything and I do question it.

No offense taken, I love talking about this stuff. The reason why I do it is because it helps me talk to others and think about it myself. Forgive me likewise if I have come across negatively or offensive towards you.

Please show me where did I say I didn't take Greer's word without questioning it? I didn't intend to communicate that. I think a lot of people have assumed I unquestionably accept it because of my defense of Dr Greer.

If it's not true it's only going to be speculation, which I don't care to do, which is why I didn't answer your question.

If it isn't true, then yes it would be something pretty disappointing to a lot of people...and then where would we be. However, many of Dr Greer's ET stories are corroborated w other people who study this stuff, so I don't think it would discount the whole thing.

Sorry, man, that's the best I can do.

I didn't bring my 'Hidden' book to work with me today, in fact I lent it out to a friend. When I get it back I'll get back with you, you are welcome to u2u me to remind me.

You might also check new age or alternative bookstores in your city, they may have a copy of it there and you could read it in the comfort of your own store, but you may come out smelling like incense, I know I do when I visit the one in my city.

I wouldn't say that his first book is full of redacted material, you know he writes these books as he goes along the process of what he does to aid disclosure so to me it's kind of like a work in progress.

For example, do you remember when he talks about President Bush the First wanting to disclose ETs but the ETs stopped it because Cuellar got abducted by ufos? In the book you read he speculates that maybe ETs didn't want the disclosure to happen because their motives weren't right.

In 'Hidden' he reveals that he has corroborated with several independent government insiders who created the abduction sequence with alien reproduction vehicles manufactured here on Earth. He goes onto ask why would ETs not want disclosure if they are giving such a presence throughout the world-Mt Popo in Mexico, O'Hare etc....



[edit on 21-5-2007 by c3hamby]

To be honest, I don't think Greer is deliberately trying to be untruthful... I think he sincerely got "sucked in" by some of the more out there beliefs in UFOlogy, and has really done a 180 from his original goal... just my opinion of course... For all we know, he may have seriously built up that dinner party in his mind as a "briefing"....and may honestly believe it...

I remember a guy I was in a student training program with (back when I wanted an espionage career (it fizzled, but that's a whole other issue)...). He went completely bonkers at one point (after the program was cancelled at that particular college), convinced people were following him and out to get him, got kicked out by his roomate, then went to live on the streets... Real sad actually... He was a bright guy, but then something snapped and he just went off the deep end. For a while I'd see him in the college cafeteria surviving on packets of ketchup...but I have no idea where he is now.

I don't think Greer's gone THAT far...but probably a short trip from where he is now...sadly.

Go here, Nobusuke, to find even more outrageous dupery coming from Greer/CSETI. Because people were ridiculing the photos (ie identifying their true nature - much to CSETIs chagrin) CSETI removed them from public view and apparantly posted them in a private members area...

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Just noticed that the op of the CSETI photos post is a partial anagram of your name... only a coincidence I take it?