Originally posted by Dallas
The fact that he is using a dead princesses name to sell his scam sit-down-get-fit workout tape really isn't helping my opinion of him
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I don't read that in this link you provided. What's happening here?
edit: I mean, I assume we're not trying to make points that are above and beyond the true phrases?

Dallas


[edit on 19-5-2007 by Dallas]

Click on the link I provided and read the first testimonial.

Originally posted by Tiloke

Google samole is the short text that appears under links in a google search. When I click on your link It says the page is under construction.

Sorry Tiloke, if I am repeating myself but are you seeing the same page I am. I don't see any Google search on that page or a under construction note.

Do a google search for "FIGU" Thats what I was talking about, the results page, not FIGUS page. When I try to find the area on the FIGU page you are talking about all I see is the "Page under construction, but here is how you buy things" page that I posted a screen-shot of.

Rest assured, as soon as I hear back from From Mr. Whitney (the person Meier lists as his contact in the USA), I will set the record straight, even if I am completely wrong in my assumption that Mr. Horn is only pretending to be who he says he is.

Let me also take this opportunity to apologize for calling you a liar, it was premature if not inappropriate. I will wait untill the page is no longer under construction before calling you a liar, as sometimes different geographical locations will see different pages, even if its the same www address.



[edit on 19-5-2007 by Tiloke]

[edit on 19-5-2007 by Tiloke]

I've made my opinions quite clear in the other thread. I believe Billy Meier. I believe he was set-up. I'm not sure what side Horn is working for.

As far as my buddy John Lear goes, his complete and total acceptance of all the evidence being real, well that kind of throws me for a loop. But then again I believe John once posted that he too thinks Meier was set-up. Sometimes I think John speaks cryptically. No offense intended John!

Peace

[edit on 19-5-2007 by Dr Love]

No link found Tiloke, is it on another post?

Dallas

Gosh Dr Love, your truly extreme. You kinda through me for a loop sometimes. But in most cases you do seem to know your stuff too.

Dallas

Link to what? Your going to have to be a little more specific as I have posted many links.


Perhaps you mean a link about finding no mention of Mr. Horn on FIGU or Meiers site.

My theory is an original one whose idea was planted as I read Mr. Horns Wikipedia entry (since removed). I don't have any links to sites that state my theory outright , they just support it.


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Dr. Love, thank you for our input, but all you have done is join the list of believers that are attempting to steer direction away from my original post.

One more time, THE VALIDITY OF MEIERS CLAIMS IS NOT THE SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD. This thread is an attempt to prove or disprove that Mr. Horn is indeed the "authorized media rep" for the Meier group.

I don't know if you guys just want to steer people away from the subject, or if you are trying to turn this into a "duplicate" thread so it will be closed, but please stick to the subject.

[edit on 19-5-2007 by Tiloke]

Hi again Tiloke. The link you mentioned above about five or six posts above, posted by you. Thanks.

Dallas

mailto:info@figu.org Why not just email them and ask what Mr.Horn does for FIGU.

I also would like to suggest, that we stop suggesting others what to do here.

Edit: I'm sure FIGU knows exactly whats going on on the www. And if Mr.Horn would sell items or abuse there name, there would be enough room for them to take legal action.

[edit on 19/5/2007 by Cygnific]

I have E-mailed them, and as I stated before, If the answer comes back that he is indeed their rep, I will shove my foot in my mouth and apologize publicly to Mr. Horn.

Dallas , if you are referring to the "dead princess" link its in my first post. Click on the words "dead princess".

[edit on 19-5-2007 by Tiloke]

Originally posted by Tiloke
I have E-mailed them, and as I stated before, If the answer comes back that he is indeed their rep, I will shove my foot in my mouth and apologize publicly to Mr. Horn.

Why did you not wait for the answer first? You now accuse somebody of fraud without him being able to defend himself here..

I'm not fan of FIGU and i have my own opinion of the Meier case, but to just accuse somebody is not nice at all.

Originally posted by Dr Love

I've made my opinions quite clear in the other thread. I believe Billy Meier. I believe he was set-up. I'm not sure what side Horn is working for.

As far as my buddy John Lear goes, his complete and total acceptance of all the evidence being real, well that kind of throws me for a loop. But then again I believe John once posted that he too thinks Meier was set-up. Sometimes I think John speaks cryptically. No offense intended John!

Peace

Thanks DrLove. Let me clear about this. I believe all of the evidence that came directly from Billy Meier. Much of it has been contaminated. Much of the anti-Billy Meier stuff on the web in unsigned and unattributed.

I don't mean to speak cryptically. If there is an example I will straighten it out.

I just reread Gary Kinders book all yesterday and last night until 1:30am to refresh my memory on the Meiers case. The book in my opinion was very well researched and presented both sides of many of the stories that many Billy Meier detractors bring up.

Since most of the Billy Meier detractors on any of the Billy Meier threads on ATS have neither read and some cases never heard of Kinders book it is difficult to carry on a meaningful discussion with them.

For instance it would be nice to discuss Lou Zinssta, who she was, and her take on the case. It would be nice to discuss the Dr. Richard Haines incident at IBM in Silicon valley with Dr. Vogel. It would be nice to discuss how H. David Froning, Jr., an astronautical engineer at McDonnell Douglas Corporation became involved in the Billy Meier case and what he thought about it particularly in regards to his research on tachyons. I was particularly interested in Fronings take on Billy Meiers statement on tachyons and space travel, "It was a revelation. All of a sudden many things made sense. It never occured to me that tachyons might exist completely outside of time."

I would like to discuss the comment of Eric Eliason, U.S. Geological Survey in Flagstaff, Arizona who had been a research computer scientist with USGS. He said, "One conclusion I made was that it certainly hadn't been dubbed in. There was just a natural transition. And if that dubbing was registered, the computer would have seen it." Eliason also said, "All I can say is that whatever I started with, I didn't see anything hokey going on there in terms of dubbing. If it was dubbed, it had to be pretty clever.

Thanks for your post.

Thats weird, your the second person to tell me I am accusing someone. I am not accusing Mr. Horn of lying to us about his title, yet. I simply pointed out that I can find no evidence that says he is who he says he is, unless its from him. Indeed, there is much evidence to the contrary.

Springer said I was accusing too. I apologize if it came across as an accusation, but in reality it is a request for more information either way. The original thread title was " IS Michael Horn a Fraud?(not what you think!). The key part of that is the word "is" and the question mark. It was a question, not an accusation. I presented what evidence I have and asked others to do the same to help me prove or disprove a theory.



Mr. Lear, once again, PLEASE STICK TO THE SUBJECT INSTEAD OF USING THESE STUPID "LOOK OVER HERE" TACTICS. THERE IS ALREADY A THREAD CONCERNING THE VALIDITY OF MEIERS CLAIMS AND EVIDENCE. THIS THREAD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER THE CASE IS REAL OR NOT.

[edit on 19-5-2007 by Tiloke]

Hey Gazrok, great to read your thoughts as always, sorry I missed your post earlier.
No doubt in my mind you research and know this UFO/EBE subject as well or better than most, at least myself. And of course there's the ol' however, Gazrok it's my opinion over the last few years at least since I first became a member at ATS, you have not believed a hair of Billy's case and I respect.

It's difficult to point anything positive out to someone such as a respected Member of ATS anything substantial about the case which points to a possible reality of certain events when they (You sir), have clearly made up their mind.

The raygun was an interesting thread but I suspect you wrote it as a dig at the time? As I cannot see any other thought that would have brought that up from anyone wanting input less a laugh or two.

Then Mr Stevens was asked to comment and by all books he was there and did witness some stuff unlike me, you or anyone else here I'm aware of. As well, Mr Stevens was kind enough to respond to an email.. all in all he shed some light on things not commonly known.

All in all I became a little more open minded about the case. Some what?, thousand posts later I still believe something happened with Billy and the space people he talks about. Where Michael fits in, or FIGU (per my post a few months ago) I'm not sure. And I respect ATS's resident photo expert's opinion too. But I cannot believe every pic/vid is false.

I believe in principal Billy's case. I respect opposite opinions too.

Dallas

For the record, I adjusted my comment about the title, I agree with what you say above Tiloke. The use of the word fraud was inflammatory not necessarily accusatory.

In any case the title and the question are fair game now. Investigate on...

Springer...

Originally posted by Tiloke
Thats weird, your the second person to tell me I am accusing someone. I am not accusing Mr. Horn of lying to us about his title, yet. I simply pointed out that I can find no evidence that says he is who he says he is, unless its from him. Indeed, there is much evidence to the contrary.

Springer said I was accusing too. I apologize if it came across as an accusation, but in reality it is a request for more information either way. The original thread title was " IS Michael Horn a Fraud?(not what you think!). The key part of that is the word "is" and the question mark. It was a question, not an accusation. I presented what evidence I have and asked others to do the same to help me prove or disprove a theory.

First of all, you made the topic "is he a fraud?" You could have used "Is he working for FIGU" You implied he was a fraud or else you would not use the word fraud. Why you want information from us? You have more change of getting the truth from the owners of FIGU no?

Thats not right Springer. So i can just go around and say "is NAME a fraud?" Why use the word fraud if you dont have intention to accuse somebody?

Originally posted by Tiloke

Mr. Lear, once again, PLEASE STICK TO THE SUBJECT INSTEAD OF USING THESE STUPID "LOOK OVER HERE" TACTICS. THERE IS ALREADY A THREAD CONCERNING THE VALIDITY OF MEIERS CLAIMS AND EVIDENCE. THIS THREAD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER THE CASE IS REAL OR NOT.

Tiloke, please calm down and quit yelling. There is no reason to shout, or to refer to any responses to your attack on Billy Meier and Michael Horn as 'stupid'. Any post I make on this particular thread is addressing any specific attack on Billy Meier. "Billy Meier Fraud" is an attack and I will respectfully respond.

I was all set to leave for the mine early this morning but now I can't leave until I'm sure that Truth, Justice and The American Way is properly served here on this thread.

Thank you for this thread and your post.

Originally posted by Cygnific
Thats not right Springer. So i can just go around and say "is NAME a fraud?" Why use the word fraud if you dont have intention to accuse somebody?

Becasue if he is lying, he is a fraud. Its that easy.

-------edit to answer an incredibly ridiculous misdirection question------------------------

John, if you didn't insist on making useless posts every 5 minutes that contribute absolutely nothing to the thread subject, my post would have been right under his, thus negating the need for quotes. But I see you found one more thing to complain about and use to steer people away from the thread subject.

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To answer Cygnifics question about waiting for an answer first. I wrote them many days ago, In those days I found ZERO evidence that Horn Works for FIGU or Meier(unless its presented by Horn himself). I waited 3 days for a response and haven't got one yet. I have sent a few more to different addresses all connected to FIGU and when I get a response , I will post it here, along with an apology if applicable.

There are a lot of things that just don't add up concerning Horn ,Meier and FIGU that I wanted clarification on. The best way to do that is present my opinion and evidence, than ask for more.

Originally posted by johnlear
I was all set to leave for the mine early this morning but now I can't leave until I'm sure that Truth, Justice and The American Way is properly served here on this thread.

And what is "truth, justice and the American way? Judging from your actions in this thread so far, it means to completely ignore the original point of the thread(you still have not addressed one single point I have made) , and try to get everyone to think about something else.

Yes, apparently I do have to yell to get it through that thick head of yours. You constantly break ATS rules and for some reason you get away with it, probably because your name helps bring new people to the site.

What I called "stupid" was the blatant way you are attempting to get people to ignore the original subject of this thread.



[edit on 19-5-2007 by Tiloke]

Originally posted by Tiloke

Becasue if he is lying, he is a fraud. Its that easy.

You didn't include a quote here Tiloke. When you get calmed down please let me know who you are refering to "Because if he is lying, he is a fraud."

Thank you Tiloke and hope you feel better.