Is Michael Horn really the U.S. Billy Meier Media Rep? (Not what you think!), page 1

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Topic started on 19-5-2007 @ 09:30 AM by Tiloke

Greetings all, I posted this in the Billy Meier "Raygun" thread , but it was immediately buried by a "new" member and for some reason ignored or unseen by all.

A few days ago when Mr. Horn was still with us here, I was looking up info on him and came across his Wikipedia entry. One of the phrases that stuck out on Wiki was that "Figu nor Meier have ever confirmed or claimed that Mr. Horn is their authorized representative."(not exact words but really close). That struck me as odd since every chance he gets, Michael tells us he is the "authorized media representative", so I did a lot of searching.

The only places I can find on the internet listing Horn as an "authorized media representative" are on Horns sites or sites that are hosting interviews with him (because thats what he told them).

On the FIGU site, he was listed in one place only, under supporters, where if you clicked on his name(even though it was a link) would take you nowhere. Clicking on any other name on the page would bring you to their page. Sometime since my post in the other thread, his name has been removed completely. There is also absolutely NO mention of him on Meiers site. They say their representative in the U.S. is Scott Whitney

After a little more research, I discovered that Mr. Horn is selling FIGU tapes and products at substantially less than FIGU is. Mr. Horns links do NOT go to Meiers sales sites but to his own. Why does he need a separate site for sales, especially when he was so adamant that he had NO financial interest in the case.

So , I started thinking. What if Michael Horn is nothing but a con-man trying to cash in on Meiers fraud by underselling the cult?

As I started to consider that, I though that explains a lot of his behavior. He NEEDS to be insulting, mean, and evasive in his questions or someone might figure out his scam. His deflection tactics may be a necessity for not having to answer questions he doesn't know the answers to.

He seems to gone to a lot of trouble to get a site domain very similar to Meiers, perhaps to steal even more sales from them.

Those of us familiar with Wikipedia know that it is very unusual for someone like Horn to no longer have an entry. It can only be deduced that Mr. Horn himself had them take the page down (perhaps because of the phrase quoted above) Mr. horn is not mentioned in Meiers Wiki entry, but there are links to his sites at the bottom of the page. Anyone at all can add links to a wiki page, so that really means nothing.

People will ask ," why won't the cult stop him?"

I don't know. It could be for any number of reasons. Maybe the cult does not want to make waves , maybe Mr. Horn is using some loophole in international law to pull it off, I just don't know.

People will also ask, " How can a scam like this go on so long?"

The answer is simple. Information control. If Mr. Horn calls every site (WIKI) that posts that info and threatens to sue, it will be removed. For some reason the Meier camp is completely silent about horn, and with no evidence to the contrary, he can keep it up as long as he wants.

The fact that he is using a dead princesses name to sell his scam sit-down-get-fit workout tape really isn't helping my opinion of him

Did anyone else see the WIKI entry or think that I may be on to something here? I have e-mails out to who FIGU says is their rep in the U.S. , Mr. Whitney and am waiting for a response. Rest assured I will keep digging as something here doesn't smell right.

P.S. Meier supporters, If you really want to make your case known DO NOT JUST COME IN AND ATTACK ME FOR POSTING THIS. Rebut the claims.

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reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 10:04 AM by Rhain

I find your personal attack on Mr. Horn disgusting. You have no right to tear a person down because you disagree with his beliefs. I am a fairly new member here. I have noticed a few members here who post under their given names. It appears that they are attcked for what they believe in most. All the attackers hide behind they avatars never revealing their true identity. I say sham on you.

By the way I did find Mr. Horn on the Fugi sight listed as US media rep.

www.figu.org...

reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 10:12 AM by Tiloke

I had no doubt that a "new" member would come in and attack me for presenting what are FACTS, without even addressing one single point I made, but I did not really expect such a transparent lie.

The page you linked to does NOT mention Mr. Horn at all, not once, not even a little bit. The place where his name appears there is under the Google search "sample".

Those "samples" can easily be altered by anyone halfway knowledgeable about how google works.

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reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 10:19 AM by johnlear

Originally posted by Tiloke

So , I started thinking. What if Michael Horn is nothing but a con-man trying to cash in on Meiers fraud by underselling the cult?

Tiloke, let me respectfully request that you quit calling the Meier case a fraud. It is not a fraud. Billy Meier is not a fraud. There seems to be a type of mob hysteria her on ATS about the Meier case. It is because people have not done the research. They are limiting their comments to pictures viewed on a computer screen while sitting in their armchairs.

You comment about "Meier Fraud" is without substance or merit. Please clarify this comment by posting something to the effect that while you have not personally ivestigated the case by either going over to Switzerland, meeting Billy Meier, going to the exact place that the pictures were taken to see if tethering was possible or calling or talking to Bob Post, Dr. Robert Nathan or Dr. Michael Malin or Eric Eliason that based on what little you know that you believe it is a fraud. Then add, "That doesn't mean it is a fraud but that is what I believe." Thanks Tiloke.

reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 10:24 AM by johnlear

Originally posted by Tiloke

I had no doubt that a "new" member would come in and attack me for presenting what are FACTS, without even addressing one single point I made, but I did not really expect such a transparent lie.

I am not a 'new' member and I am not sure what you have presented here are facts. Those few 'facts' you presented on the Meier thread are bogus and written by Meier detractors.

I respectfully request that you take a long look at yourself and how your thinking has been affeted by the mob hysteria surrounding the Billy Meier case. Thanks.

reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 10:30 AM by Tiloke

Thanks John, but this thread is about Mr. Horn. There is already an active thread about Meiers fraud HERE. Your attempt to draw attention away from the points of my thread(the ones you completely ignored) will not succeed here.

I will NOT say "alleged fraud" or anything like that until the believers do the same thing.

2 replies, both by believers, and both completely ignoring the whole point of the thread to tell me how bad of a person I am for posting this. Seems like the Meier standard to me.

Nor did I call you a "new" member. I know you are not new as I started the Questions for John Lear thread a looong time ago. If you could open your eyes,(I know your not exactly known for that) and look at the post I was replying to you'd see that not everything is about you. Or maybe you think I responded to you before you posted here?

P.S. Do you see that little button in your posts that says "edit"? Thats there so you don't have to double-post all the time.

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reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 10:34 AM by Dallas

Hi Tiloke, seems to me your area of research may have been right but your presentation included links rather than the links contents based on your words.
John Lear I'd imagine will call you or another member to task when suggesting we look up links. I'm respectful of your efforts but in all honesty where Michael sits on the food chain really doesn't matter to me, if he acknowledged or not as I believe Billy's story. Not necessarily FIGUs but Billy's.

respectfully

Dallas

reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 10:36 AM by tommychaos

I think that there's something to this Mr. Horn crap.

As far as Billy Meier goes, his films of UFO's and his photos lend themselves to the moniker of FRAUD all on their own, and can be easily duplicated.

If Billy Meier were truly able to call down UFO's at will, then surely he'd also be able to get the extra-terrestrials to land, and allow him to film them, and their spaceships too.

reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 10:44 AM by johnlear

Originally posted by Tiloke

P.S. Meier supporters, If you really want to make your case known DO NOT JUST COME IN AND ATTACK ME FOR POSTING THIS. Rebut the claims.

Tiloke, please, let me respectfully suggest that you calm down.

I am only bringing to your attention that the Merier case is not a fraud and I respectfully request that you stop calling it a fraud in everything you post.

The Meier case is real. The photos are real and not faked. The videos were real and not faked.

Please do not get trapped in the current mob hysteria here on the Bill Meier thread until all of the facts have been brought to bear. Thanks.

reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 10:47 AM by Tiloke

Originally posted by Dallas
Hi Tiloke, seems to me your area of research may have been right but your presentation included links rather than the links contents based on your words.
John Lear I'd imagine will call you or another member to task when suggesting we look up links. I'm respectful of your efforts but in all honesty where Michael sits on the food chain really doesn't matter to me, if he acknowledged or not as I believe Billy's story. Not necessarily FIGUs but Billy's.

respectfully

Dallas

MY words:
"The only places I can find on the internet listing Horn as an "authorized media representative" are on Horns sites or sites that are hosting interviews with him (because thats what he told them)."

Than I posted links to back those words up.

So, once again, I am told how wrong I am without telling me what I am wrong about or why.

The Billy Meier standard.

Originally posted by johnlear

Tiloke, please, let me respectfully suggest that you calm down.

I am only bringing to your attention that the Merier case is not a fraud and I respectfully request that you stop calling it a fraud in everything you post.

The Meier case is real. The photos are real and not faked. The videos were real and not faked.

Please do not get trapped in the current mob hysteria here on the Bill Meier thread until all of the facts have been brought to bear. Thanks.

John, let me respectfully request you try to stay on topic.

I am only bringing to your attention that the Meier case is indeed a fraud and I respectfully request that you stop calling it real in everything you post.

The Meier case is a scam. The photos are fake and not real. The videos are faked and not real.

Please do not get trapped in a stubborn opinion and try to look at the facts that have already been brought to bear. Thanks

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reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 10:50 AM by johnlear

Originally posted by tommychaos

As far as Billy Meier goes, his films of UFO's and his photos lend themselves to the moniker of FRAUD all on their own, and can be easily duplicated.

Good morning tommychaos, your post belongs in the Billy Meier thread but I will answer it here. Do you know of anybody, anywhere, on the face of this earth, or the face of any earth for that matter, that has "easily duplicated" or duplicated in any manner any photos similar to the Billy Meier photos? Thanks.

If Billy Meier were truly able to call down UFO's at will, then surely he'd also be able to get the extra-terrestrials to land, and allow him to film them, and their spaceships too.

I know of no instance in where Billy Meier claimed or it was claimed by anybody that Billy Meier was able to "call down UFO's at will." Could you please post a link to where that statement is made? Thanks.

reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 10:52 AM by johnlear

Originally posted by Tiloke

So, once again, I am told how wrong I am without telling me what I am wrong about or why.

The Billy Meier standard.

Yes, I would have to agree with you on that comment Tiloke although I don't think you meant it that way.

reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 10:53 AM by Gazrok

Tiloke, let me respectfully request that you quit calling the Meier case a fraud. It is not a fraud. Billy Meier is not a fraud. There seems to be a type of mob hysteria her on ATS about the Meier case. It is because people have not done the research. They are limiting their comments to pictures viewed on a computer screen while sitting in their armchairs.

Respectfully, many here HAVE done the research. One could throw out the UFO photos completely, and STILL make a well-supported case for fraud. The Asket and Nera hoax, the "time travel photos" from identified artwork, the identified nozzle of the "ray gun", and the trash can lid matching the wedding cake UFO base, and Billy's own photos of alleged aliens showing 5 human fingers instead of the 6 claimed by the handprint on the car, are certainly compelling enough to make a good case for fraud. It's not "mob hysteria", it's logical deduction, and by folks who would rather Billy's story be true, but simply cannot ignore the evidence of fraud.

As any member, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but claiming those not supporting the case aren't doing the research, is a misnomer, and is incorrect.

The supposition that Mr. Horn may not be acting on behalf of Mr. Meier is a compelling one, and one that should be easy enough to prove one way or the other. It's a valid theory, and the real subject of this thread. Personally, I don't doubt he is an authorized representative, or it is assumed Billy's lawyers would be all over this...but that doesn't mean the matter is taboo to discuss.

reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 10:54 AM by Dallas

I'd rather retract what I said than get you upset Tiloke. It's obviously been a big debate for quite sometime. Please keep in mind that I too have been scrutinized by members too.

Dallas

reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 10:56 AM by johnlear

Originally posted by Tiloke

The Meier case is a scam. The photos are fake and not real. The videos are faked and not real.

This statement is a 'keeper'. Your opinions are always welcome Tiloke.

reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 10:57 AM by Tiloke

This is ridiculous, I need a mods help here.

NOT ONE POST HAS ADDRESSED ANY OF MY POINTS EXCEPT ONE THAT WAS A LIE.

The believers are doing a great job of directing everyones attention away from the thread topic.

PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND IF YOU CAN NOT ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS AND POINTS IN THE ORIGINAL POST. THERE IS ALREADY A THREAD CONCERNING THE VALIDITY OF MEIERS PHOTOS AND VIDEOS.

reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 10:57 AM by Rhain

Originally posted by Tiloke

The page you linked to does NOT mention Mr. Horn at all, not once, not even a little bit. The place where his name appears there is under the Google search "sample".

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Are looking at the same page I am...where do you see Google sample?

reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 11:00 AM by St Udio

??
just what legal status has a 'Authorized Media Representative' ??

Horn, might just mean he has 'Press Credentials' or a 'Press Pass' badge

the high-access-claim the term makes itself sound like
isn't any more important than calling onesself a 'Citizen Journalist'
~~One should look up what the 'AMR' title means in the Courts of Law~~
before accusations are leveled,

thanks,

reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 11:02 AM by Dallas

The fact that he is using a dead princesses name to sell his scam sit-down-get-fit workout tape really isn't helping my opinion of him
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I don't read that in this link you provided. What's happening here?
edit: I mean, I assume we're not trying to make points that are above and beyond the true phrases?

Dallas

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reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 11:10 AM by Tiloke

Originally posted by Rhain

Originally posted by Tiloke

The page you linked to does NOT mention Mr. Horn at all, not once, not even a little bit. The place where his name appears there is under the Google search "sample".

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Are looking at the same page I am...where do you see Google sample?