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Is it possible Hitler survived?

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posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 02:50 PM
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Just recently we found out one of the top Nazi war criminals escaped to Egypt where he died in 1992. Rumors in the 70's said Hitler went to Egypt. I think they may have gone together.
Also, just for the record, I do not believe there is any way he did NOT surivive WWII. The skeleton they claimed was his was way too tall.



posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 03:55 PM
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i dont know if this has been posted,but i think he died in argentina an old man,






source



posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 07:23 PM
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If he still alive, follow the smell:


Hitler had shocking table manners, gorged on cake and suffered flatulence, reveals never-before-seen profile


A Farting Fuhrer

www.dailymail.co.uk...



posted on Feb, 19 2009 @ 03:20 PM
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A lot of evidence goes against that but there is speculation that Hitler might've survived. Even if he did survive, he should already die of old age in this day and age.



posted on Sep, 16 2009 @ 10:34 PM
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Mysteryquest just aired on this very subject, got access to what was supposed to be the top of hitlers skull (the one with the bullethole, as eva was poisoned), and dna tested it. It came back as a female skull.

I figure he escaped long before the russians ever made it to berlin.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 03:47 AM
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My thinking about Hitler's survival has reversed entirely due to this new evidence.Previously I was content to accept that the Russians had recovered and kept Hitler's skull. Not now, so it seems.

Hitle's skull female?

I've also discovered that up to six Ju-352, two Ju-52, two FW200, and two Ju-290 flew marine reservists into central Berlin from 25-29 April 1945. The last flight out was a Ju-352 on the morning of 29 April after Hitler's wedding.

Other floatplane Ju-52 and BV-138 flying boats from a KG200 seaplane base at Rugen also landed at Havel See up to 30 May 1945 evacuating VIPs and the wounded.

In an intercepted letter to her brother, after the war, Hanna Reitsch wrote how when she and Ritter von Greim flew out a Ju-52 sat waiting on the East West Axis at Brandenberg gate waiting for a VIP passenger.

There are conflicting accounts by witnesses to Hitler's wedding that it happened before midnight on 29 April and before Reitsch departed Berlin, yet Reitsch denied all knowledge of the wedding. The Marriage certificate stated the wedding happened on 29 April, yet at least four witnesses said the wedding happened before the 29th.


edit on 7-1-2011 by sy.gunson because: spelling

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posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 07:11 PM
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If you Google the term "Re: Seaplanes on Wannsee 28/29 april 1945. Hitlers excape?" you can read more.
Schloss Adler from New Jersey wrote this comment on axishistory forum:



This is what I found out...

During the final days of the battle of Berlin Hitler had made out his personal will and political testiment. Grossadmiral Donitz was named as his successor as President and Goebbels as Chancellor. Two copies of these testiments were to be sent to Donitz by seperate couriers to ensure delivery, one courier being SS-Standartenfuhrer Wilhelm Zander, Bormann's aide, and the other Oberereischleiter Heinz Lorenz from the Propaganda Ministry, while a third copy was to be taken by Major Willi Johannmeyer, Hitler's army adjutant, to give to Generalfeldmarschall Ferdinand Schorner. Goebbels (named as Chancellor) added a political appendix of his own to one set of documents, intending that they should ultimately find their way to Munich, the cradle of Nazism, for posterity.

These emissaries set off at midday on April 29, making their way via the Teirgarten, Zoo position, Kantstrasse and the Olympic Stadium to the Hitlerjugend Regiments' position on the Havel, where they rested until midnight before continuing down river by boat. Three of the now unemployed aides, Major Bernd Freytag von Loringhoven, Rittmeister Gerhard Boldt and Oberstleutnant Rudolf Weiss, asked permission to leave the Bunker and break out to Wencks 12. Armee, and left by the same route that afternoon. At midnight they were followed by Oberst von Below, his adjutant and their two orderlies, taking with them a missive to Keitel concerning the appointment of Donitz as Hitler's successor as head of state. These last two groups met near the Olympic Stadium and then had to wait until the following night with the Hiterjugend for a chance to slip down the Havel.

Meanwhile, Hitler's emissaries had reached the remains of the 20. Panzergrenadier Division bottled up on Wannsee Island and managed to get a radio message out asking Donitz to retrieve them by flying boat. They then moved to Pfaueninsel (Peacock Island) where they were joined by Weiss's party, but von Below's group had landed on the west bank of the Havel and was already heading west. A three-engined Dornier flying boat duly landed close to Pfaueninsel on the night of May 1 and established contact with the party waiting to be taken off. Unfortunately the 20 Panzergrenadier Division were making a despereate bid to break out over the Wannsee Bridge and attracted so much Soviet artillery fire on their old locations that the pilot took off again without them. Although they all eventually reached safety, none accomplished their mission and all the documents, except those carried by von Below, which he destroyed once he realized the futility of his task, were recovered during the course of the subsequent Allied investigation.


A persistently repeated claim is that Hitler did infact escape on a Ju-52 floatplane, flown by pilot Hans Albert. These floatplanes were evacuating from Lake Havel to Rugen and Denmark. The navigator of a giant BV 222 Wiking flying boat based in Norway refers to being ordered to prepare for an evacuation flight to Greenland on 30 April 1945, however the claim associated with Hitler's flight to exile is that he ended up in Spain, where ne died in November 1947 under an assumed name Adi Lupus.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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After the wedding it is unlikely anyone wanted the Hitler legacy to continue. Obviously Hitler was no Leah Wool and would not have been able to assume any future political rolls.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by Bordon81
After the wedding it is unlikely anyone wanted the Hitler legacy to continue. Obviously Hitler was no Leah Wool and would not have been able to assume any future political rolls.


Except that Hitler was party to and knew about the Sunrise talks for a separate surrender to the Western Allies in return for the west protecting Germany from Soviet bolshevism. He congratulated Wolfe about the Sunrise talks on 14 April 1945 in Himmler's presence. By this late stage in the war Hitler was speculating with his inner circle on the prospects of provoking a clash between USA and the USSR. What say during the truce talks at Berlin, had Hitler directed SS Lt Gen Wilhelm Mohnke in talks with Russian Major Belovsoff to reveal to the Soviets Nazi Germany's separate talks with the West?

On 7 May Stalin flew into a rage accusing western allies of conducting secret surrender talks with the nazis which the western allies hastily denied.

What if Hitler held one last trump card of provoking war between Russia and USA in 1945 unless allowed to fly off into exile?



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 10:14 PM
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Unless the history books explain this as the Hitler stalemate move we won't be able to read about it anywhere except the conspiracy forums. I've always believed there are secrets hidden under Tempelhof Airport and the Berlin wall but I'm really not up to explaining it.



posted on Jan, 7 2011 @ 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by Bordon81
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Unless the history books explain this as the Hitler stalemate move we won't be able to read about it anywhere except the conspiracy forums.


Not all history is recorded. There are many motives why some aspect of WW2 history remain classified even to this day. Since you ask for sources however, here we go....

Mohnke's truce talks with the Russians whilst Berlin was surrounded are scarcely secret. Hitler offered the Soviets the surrender of all forces in Northern Germany and Denmark to Soviet forces on condition that he be allowed to fly to Tokyo.Mohnke was well placed to know these matters as head of Hitler's SS bodyguard in Berlin. he conducted talks with the Soviets. The British were compelled by this to rush north and capture Lunneberg before the Soviets got there.

Doenitz under Hitler's instructions had already begun the evacuation of German forces from Denmark.

Sources:

"The Bormann Brotherhood", Stevenson, William. Corgi Books 1975. Stevenson was a wartime RN intelligence officer contemporary with Cmdr Ian Flemming and freely disclosed in his book his exposure to many top secret intelligence reports on Hitler.

Contemporary Newspaper Report

"German-Soviet truce talks are ended when a German sniper injures Russian Major Belovsoff.
Soviet forces retaliate with a intense shell barrage."
New York Times, May 5, 1945, Volume 94, Number 31878

Wilhem Mohnke re-emerged briefly under an assumed name in East Germany, with German re-unification. he was wanted for murder for the execution of Canadians at Normandy. The Soviets kept him safe after the war, concealed his survival denied having captured him and refused Canadian requests to hand Mohnke over for war crimes.

Mohnke confirmed to the soviets however that Bormann escaped to the Hamburg area with British assistance. The skull unearthed at Berlin on Invalidenstrasse in 1972 has been confirmed as that of Bormann, however authorities could not explain why his skull was caked with red volcanic soil when there were no volcanoes in Berlin. Requests to examine the soil were refused by the Bormann family.

Stevenson's book discloses at page 210 that Mohnke revealed a series of secret communications for many months prior to the fall of Berlin, concerning a secret surrender deal.



posted on Jan, 8 2011 @ 06:20 PM
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Let's not forget that Companies like Ford and general Electric funded the rise of the nazi party and that GEC at the very least continued to assist the nazis throughout the war.

Take the Tungsten Carbide trade for example where GEC provided the material to Nazi Germany from Portugal at one tenth the price it charged to the Allies.

There were many secrets which if leveraged could have have motivated western complicity in hiding Hitler.



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 05:00 PM
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Anything is possible.



posted on Jan, 12 2011 @ 06:52 PM
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I do not have the book to hand to quote the page number but I am going through the third edition of Sir Hugh Trevor Roper's book "The Last Days of Hitler" and it cites von Below taking to a boat from Paufenstahl Island to escape an intense Soviet artillery barrage of the island to stem evacuations from that island by flying boats.

Roper mentioned that von Below's party sheltered on a boat moored in the Havel See and as late as 2 May 1945 a Ju-52 floaplane landed and taxied near them, communicated with their party and then fled when it attracted Soviet fire.

From my reading of the book however I am now coming to a conclusion that Hitler and Eva fled as early as 28/29 April, but staged a wedding to leave false evidence implying he remained at Berlin.

The evidence of witnesses after 28 April is all contradictory. Witnesses recollect Hitler's wedding before midnight 28 April, however the marriage certificate said 29 April.

Escape by floatplane on 28 April was far more achievable than after 30 April 1945.




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