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Blacks Have Less Worth Than Whites


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reply posted on 18-5-2007 @ 10:34 PM by The Cyfre



Originally posted by Heronumber0
Blacks, Asians and other races have intrinsically less value than White people. Think of a typical news report: "A plane crash in the Caribbean killed 6 Americans and 4 British people along with 254 others" (i.e. nonentities). I am not paranoid - only truthful.


I'm guessing you live in North America or Western Europe, where the media would naturally be biased toward people familiar to their own citizens. It's like the face on Mars. We subconsciously work to find something familiar in everything. A face in the landscape, meaning in a random design, the "singling out" of white people in news stories. We simply pay more attention to news about people who are more like us.

I imagine the news in a nation not predominantly inhabited by "the white man," you'll find a bit more focus on more than just the white man.]



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reply posted on 18-5-2007 @ 10:34 PM by Spawwwn


Fantastic thread. It's a fact whites don't care and don't respect minorities. murdered black entertainers = no justice

The fact that black superstars can get gunned down and their killers never found, is proof that whites simply don't care what happens to blacks and their culture.



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reply posted on 18-5-2007 @ 10:41 PM by racerzeke


To the above poster:


I guess it would help if there were any witnesses to these murders right?

Oh wait there are and they a re black and they will not "rat" out their rapper buddies, which is causing the murderer to not get caught.



Everyone will always find a way to bring it back to the white people, I just dont know why



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reply posted on 18-5-2007 @ 10:46 PM by Spawwwn


Witnesses? Tupac got shot on the las vegas strip in front of hundereds of people. The fact is that there ARE witnesses to these murders, but the cops never follow the leads because they simply don't care. Yes there is a "no snitching" rule between a lot of us blacks..but there's a difference between ratting out your buddy and reporting a murder.

The reason we keep blaming white people is cause they keep screwing up. micheal richards, don imus..and so on. Also if white people could just admit that blacks have real greviences and that there are still serious problems with racism instead of writting us off as just some angry negroes..maybe we wouldn't have to "blame" you all the time.



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reply posted on 18-5-2007 @ 10:48 PM by apc


... the real people to blame are those who propagate divisive threads like this.

In my city this guy with dreads murdered his social worker with a chainsaw and stabbed his mother.

He was all over the news all week long as this was the week of his trial.

Found guilty, of course.

Guess what? He's white.

I can't remember the last black big time murderer on the news. Other than Bill Clinton of course.



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reply posted on 18-5-2007 @ 10:49 PM by racerzeke


Sounds like you have the same problems that you are typing about.


And how about the black imus and richards, them being Al sharpton and Jesse jackson


We should all just stop fighting because everytime one race brings up a flaw with the other the other has a counterargument. It's all dumb if you ask me!


oh yea, im pretty sure the duke rape victim was really raped also?

[edit on 18-5-2007 by racerzeke]



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reply posted on 18-5-2007 @ 11:35 PM by AceWombat04


In my opinion, poor people are "worth less" than wealthier people. How does that relate to this topic? It relates by virtue of my opinion that, at least in my experience, even within that subset of society (poor people in general, regardless of skin tone,) there has been a difference between how I (a "white" person) and others I've known or encountered (who weren't "white") have been treated.

I grew up living in and out of homeless shelters, dependent on social services for our wellbeing, and under continual threat of homelessness no matter how hard my parents worked, how well they planned, or how many different avenues they pursued. I am what most people would categorize as "white," although I personally don't adhere to aesthetic racial terminology.

I have been exposed, from an early age, to situations in which my ("white") family sought aid, information, or other services from organizations designed to help people in our shoes, while other ("black") families were present for the same reasons. In many, many instances, we were treated in a qualitatively kinder, gentler, and more respectful fashion by social workers and others than the family before or after us. I can't prove that this was based on skin tone, but I am hard pressed to think of any other significant difference between us and them. In most instances, they were "better dressed," quieter, less desperate, and arguably more polite than us, and we still received a greater modicum of "understanding," respect, and compassion. That's how it seemed to me, at least.

Now, I don't know (and therefore can't prove) that this was on the basis of race, and even if I did know that or could prove it, I am not a sociologist and have no way of confirming whether this is endemic to our society in general or not. The only thing I can say for certain is this: it happens, and it isn't in people's heads. Is it unconscious? Usually. Is it intentional? Probably not, but it does happen. In other words, simply by virtue of being "white," I benefit from racism whether I want to or not. I don't like that one bit, and I think it's good for us to think about it.

These are only my opinions, and not necessarily facts. I respect the views of those who disagree.



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reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 12:09 AM by bjshobbes


I'm sorry, but it's this kind of thinking that propagates racism. You can read into anything you want and make it racially motivated. This thread IMO has no merit based on the title. The only merit will come from any decent attempts to disprove it. Stopping racism starts with individual acts. Do what you can to help your fellow man, no matter the color. It's bad attitudes that make bad things happen. I can complain all day about how minorities get a free ride just because they're a minority (if they applied some effort.) What's the point? Nothing good would come from it. I'm a white male that grew up in a middle class environment. My family could not afford to send me to college, nor did I have any outstanding athletic abilities that could land me a scholarship. Did I get off my ass to overcome that? No. That's my fault. I blame no one. I have very good friends that are of Latino descent. They have better opportunities to get help in funding their college education than I had. I tell them to take advantage of it and I offer to help them any way I can if they need it. Good for them. Do I complain about it? No. Make the best of what you have and work hard to make it better. Take advantage of any opportunities that come your way and run with them. Sitting on your ass and complaining about this, that, and the other thing gets you nowhere. Each and every person has the power to change their lifestyle for the better, should they choose to do so. Keeping the blinders on and following the blind will get you nowhere. You're only as good as the friends you keep, so choose wisely. If you surround yourself with naysayers and whiners, so will you be. If you have a negative attitude, your life will be negative as well. If you let others dictate to you how "things are", than that's how things will be for you. So get over it and move on. Life is too short to let negative influences dictate how you "should be".



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reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 12:19 AM by Blackdude


I think that the problem with a lot of whites in America is that they have little to no racial perspective. They constantly want to take everybody who isn't white and put them into a catagory. Most also don't know how to treat a member of another race as an individual. Every white person in america is considered a single individual, but us minorities are rarely ever looked at in the same light. Especially African-Americans. When one black person does something negative, its like every black person does something negative.

And to the OP, I don't think its that blacks and other races have less worth than whites. You have to remember that money rules our world. Your worth depends on your wealth. You also have to remember that the majority of blacks are still living in poverty, and poverty doesn't have any worth in our world. There are thousands of people that die in africa from disease and famine everyday, but because africans are mostly poor, you won't hear about it on the news.



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reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 12:39 AM by The Cyfre



Originally posted by Spawwwn
Witnesses? Tupac got shot on the las vegas strip in front of hundereds of people. The fact is that there ARE witnesses to these murders, but the cops never follow the leads because they simply don't care. Yes there is a "no snitching" rule between a lot of us blacks..but there's a difference between ratting out your buddy and reporting a murder.


Really? Anderson Cooper interviewed Cam'ron and asked that very question. AC asked if a serial killer was living next door to him, would he report it to the police. Cam'ron said he would move away, but he wouldn't report it.

Tupac was shot while he was in his car, after a boxing match. There were hundreds of people around, but i guarantee all eyez weren't on him that night. When the shots were fired i'm sure people looked over, but actual eye witnesses? Only people close by. Only people who likely subscribe to the same idiotic ideals as Cam'ron. Don't snitch.

Cops follow leads, whether you want to believe it or not. Leads ge thard to follow when there are no eye witnesses. If cops failed to follow eye witness leads, they'd be called out so fast. Don't ASSUME it's the cops fault when the gangsters and rappers have already admitted they don't talk to cops.


Originally posted by Spawwwn
The reason we keep blaming white people is cause they keep screwing up. micheal richards, don imus..and so on. Also if white people could just admit that blacks have real greviences and that there are still serious problems with racism instead of writting us off as just some angry negroes..maybe we wouldn't have to "blame" you all the time.


There are ignorant white people, ignorant black people, ignorant arabs, and so on and so forth. You give me Don Imus, i give you the dancer from the Duke rape case. You give me Michael Richards. He's not white, he's a Jew!

The fact of the matter is you don't want to put any effort into finding a solution to the horrible things that were done to your people for centuries on end. Perhaps i'd take you more seriously if i thought you really cared. Instead, i have a feeling you're just more interested in blowing steam and buying time.

Have fun with that, i guess. Personally, i'm tired of apologizing for something i had no part in. My family is from Germany, and didn't come into America until the 1920's or so, after slavery was abolished. So don't talk to me about what i owe you, because i don't owe you anything. I never had anything to do with it in the first place.



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reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 01:31 AM by tjsteeler



Originally posted by Spawwwn
The reason we keep blaming white people is cause they keep screwing up. micheal richards, don imus..and so on. Also if white people could just admit that blacks have real greviences and that there are still serious problems with racism instead of writting us off as just some angry negroes..maybe we wouldn't have to "blame" you all the time.


What about Sharpton, Chris Rock, Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson? Or is this another double standard?

Maybe it's blacks that are screwing up, not whites. Seems to me that many blacks spend a lot of time blaming others for their own problems. Asians have gone through slavery and racism, but I don't hear them blaming anyone or looking for special treatment. In fact all races have dealt with racism and slavery at one time or another. Which ones dwell in the past and which ones move on?



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reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 01:49 AM by bjshobbes



Originally posted by Blackdude
I think that the problem with a lot of whites in America is that they have little to no racial perspective. They constantly want to take everybody who isn't white and put them into a catagory. Most also don't know how to treat a member of another race as an individual. Every white person in america is considered a single individual, but us minorities are rarely ever looked at in the same light.
Speaking for myself here. I would hope that this is not the case. But, if things keep going the way that they are, us "whites" will be the minority in about 30 years.



Originally posted by Blackdude
Especially African-Americans. When one black person does something negative, its like every black person does something negative.
I don't feel this is true, at all. It's a shame if you honestly feel this way. I have many black friends that don't see it this way.


Originally posted by Blackdude
And to the OP, I don't think its that blacks and other races have less worth than whites. You have to remember that money rules our world. Your worth depends on your wealth.
It's always been this way, throughout history. Bottom line; Do what makes you happy. If you let this type of thinking dominate your everyday mindset, you'll never be happy. I'm not rich, but I'll be damned if I carry no worth!



Originally posted by Blackdude
You also have to remember that the majority of blacks are still living in poverty, and poverty doesn't have any worth in our world. There are thousands of people that die in africa from disease and famine everyday, but because africans are mostly poor, you won't hear about it on the news.
Poverty doesn't discriminate, it's color blind. It's worldwide, not just in Africa. If you feel so strongly about it, what are you doing about it? It's a shame to say, but Africa has been it's own worst enemy. The dictators pretty much ruin everything for their own people. That, my friend, is a blacks-ruining-it-for-blacks issue.



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reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 01:56 AM by earth2


We are all just hitech tribes acting like cavemen. Just so happens the white tribe are the dominant ones in the world in this age. Im not a racist that just how im seeing things. Maybe one day the black tribes will redominate. Or whomever.....So easy a caveman can do it.



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reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 02:08 AM by bjshobbes


Let's not forget...that slaves were sold to the world by their own people. And, racism is being kept alive by the people claiming to be the leaders of the black community. It sickens me. Don't take the easy road of victimhood. Take the high road and work for your worth. The world is what you make of it.



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reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 02:15 AM by Heronumber0


I am genuinely shocked at what I have read as answers to the OP. The consensus seems to be from one viewpoint: 'Get off your ass and stop whining!' and from the other perspective: 'Treat us as equals and give us the chance to meet our potential!'. I did not want to divide - I want to unite. Yes we have a probelem between poor people and the rich. The poor will be under-represented in the media regardless of race. But it is obvious from the answers that America is still a divided state.

This was pretty obvious from what happened after Hurricane Katrina - if the flooded areas were in a white neighborhood, do you think the State would have acted faster?

We, black and white together, cannot ignore a problem, until the life of a black man and a white man are seen as equally valid, equally sacred as in the eyes of God. But if white people cannot see any bias in news reporting - all of it untintenional maybe- then we can NEVER see any road forward.

Please just think about it and do an experiment: measure the quality of reporting towards different races on T.V. news , then give it a weighting e.g. 5 for murder, 4 for riots, 3 for armed robbery etc... Multiply the weighting by the time on air to give you a very crude index of seriousness of reporting. If I am wrong then by all means come back to me and tell me to stop whining and get off my ass to find a job (I don't work weekends luckily).



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reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 03:57 AM by DuncanIdahoGholem


The thing you are forgetting is the fact that we may be from different countries but we all members of the human race.

Different languages and cultures should be respected.



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reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 04:16 AM by Blackdude



Well I think this is true to a certain extent. African-Americans who walk a straight and honest path are always shadowed by the negativity of other blacks. I myself have always walked a straight path but some whites still see me as nothing but a gangbager or something.
I don't feel this is true, at all. It's a shame if you honestly feel this way. I have many black friends that don't see it this way.


Im not poor either. In fact, I'm very far from it. But my point was that in our society your worth is only as good as your wealth. For example, white americans call thier poor people "Poor white trash" That tittle alone could give underprivliged whites a feeling of self-worthlessness.
It's always been this way, throughout history. Bottom line; Do what makes you happy. If you let this type of thinking dominate your everyday mindset, you'll never be happy. I'm not rich, but I'll be damned if I carry no worth!



I know poverty is worldwide, but its at its worse in Africa. America doesn't hesitate to help the Middle East with thier problems, but it completly turns its back on Africa and. Its hard being a black man in America and watch the country that your people originated from suffer so much while your goverment doesn't do anything about it. And it doesn't matter if its a "blacks-ruining-it-for-blacks issue". Does that mean we still shouldn't help them? The War in the middle East could be considered a Arabs-ruining-it-for-arabs issue, but we still give them help right?
Poverty doesn't discriminate, it's color blind. It's worldwide, not just in Africa. If you feel so strongly about it, what are you doing about it? It's a shame to say, but Africa has been it's own worst enemy. The dictators pretty much ruin everything for their own people. That, my friend, is a blacks-ruining-it-for-blacks issue.



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reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 06:17 AM by Cygnific



Originally posted by Spawwwn
Fantastic thread. It's a fact whites don't care and don't respect minorities. murdered black entertainers = no justice

The fact that black superstars can get gunned down and their killers never found, is proof that whites simply don't care what happens to blacks and their culture.




Fact? I care as much for other races as mine. I respect another as much as they respect me. The fact that you call me (as being white) careless and respectless towards other races is racist to me. You have any PROOF at all that the police doesn't care for black superstars being killed and the justice department doesn't care? Do you mean by this that the 'colored' people in the justice system are corrupt and racist towards blacks to?



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reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 06:56 AM by Yarcofin



Originally posted by Heronumber0
Think of a typical news report: "A plane crash in the Caribbean killed 6 Americans and 4 British people along with 254 others" (i.e. nonentities).


I assume that is first and foremost because you are actually in America. In Japan, I bet on the news reports they say "12 Japanese dead". For some reason the lives of your own people are worth more than the lives of others, whether from pride or what.

If there was a lineup of people from every country and you had to pick who lived and died just by looking at them and knowing what country they are from, not listening to their story or anything else, you would assumedly pick the person from your own country because you identify with them.



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reply posted on 19-5-2007 @ 07:52 AM by Lightman9202


Tupac was a victim of this own mentality just like the other rappers. They preach hate and violence and pro drug in thier lyrics. They deserve what they got because they brought that element to themselves. The world is better off without them, but there will be another thug to take thier place. Black youth is better off when these types of role models are not around to idolize.



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