perhaps he'll change face and run Independent.

and take one helluva running mate. i wonder whom.. like a Democrat or something.

like say the second most popular Democrat from the Primary teamed up with Ron Paul for an Independent ticket.

I think it could be arranged, and is more of a possibility than he is leading it on to be, and more than others may think. He's a Libertarian. So he's kinda left-wing, or shall I say, friendly to the left-wing. So it would not be much of a problem hooking him up with someone.

Him & Wesley Clark, one hell of a team! lol.

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by Leyla
And as I said before it is up to us not them who our next President will be.

Well, that's how it's supposed to be. It'll be a cold day in hell before somebody decent gets in without enormous struggle.

What do I have to do organize a pep rally? I never seen such low spirited Americans. Don't you dare give up. Do I have to smack you? lol Mean no disrespect.

*Feels a lecture coming on.

A long time ago... jk

You all know our history so why should it change now? Read my signature at the bottom. And please really think about it and what you want for our country.

Originally posted by hoochymama
Bush1 - 4 yrs
Clinton1 - 8 yrs
Bush2 - 8 yrs
Clinton2 - 8 yrs (of course this one hasnt happened YET)

So, already they have had power for 20yrs (WOW). Anyone who is a human being should be able to comprehend the problem with this.

Which reminds me of the odd fundraising get together of daddy George and Bill, not once but twice. Some thought it showed friends setting aside political differences, but I couldn't help thinking of it as an example of how small the differences are between the GOP and Dems. And then seeing all three of them hanging out together--daddy, W, and Billy-bob, all joking and laughing--that just plain gave me the creeps.

Ram, I believe you are quite correct. Of course, most of we Americans can't see it, being too close to the subject. The future theft of the 2008 elections, meaning that a mainstream Republican OR Democrat candidate will win, will sharpen the divide. Many will realize the Lie.

That is, unless the Cabal decides to cook-off a couple of our cities, including D.C., with nukes and then declare martial law, probably this year. Guess who will be president for life.

Civil war? Very possible. With the result being no more 50 states, but several regional federations.

Originally posted by yuefo
but I couldn't help thinking of it as an example of how small the differences are between the GOP and Dems. And then seeing all three of them hanging out together--daddy, W, and Billy-bob, all joking and laughing--that just plain gave me the creeps.

Yes, see this is where people don't get it, particularly gung-ho democratic voters. God love them, my family, girlfriend, and her family are demoratic voters usually, and I guess you could say I'm left wing to an extent, while surprisingly moderate for a socialist. a democratic socialist, like .. european progressive left wing democracy? With premiers.. and prime ministers, and parliaments.. we dont have none o' that #. We have "The Prez" aka the big bitch, slave to the special interests that funded him. And we have the Senate and House.. wheres our "Upper" and "Lower" parliament? hehe. I know that realisticly we americans will never have a european style democracy. pitty.

But back to your point. Most Democrats and Republicans are so similar. See, its like 90% are "in on it" and 10% "arent", and if you're one of those 10%, youll actually be an honest politician who deeply cares and wants to do the right thing at any cost. The other 90% are "in on the game" and know that Blue & Red are no different from High School Gym Class.. the Red team and the Blue team, pick your players, okay now play! After Gym Class your buddy is still your buddy even though he was picked to play on the other team. The "New World Order" as its affectionately known would be the group that these old three belong too.

And by proxy, Bill's wife belongs in it too, therefore she will likely become the next President, IF the NWO conspiracy theories prove true.

Dr. Ron Paul has been a laughing stock for as long as I can remember — I mean, people literally laugh at him, particularly when he mounts the stage and starts into his "abolish the IRS" routine.

I remember when I was covering the Republican Caucus in Houston, Texas, back in 1988, leading up to the primaries and presidential election of that year. The GOP candidates (Rev. Pat Robertson and Bob Dornan speaking for George H.W. Bush) were all hellfire and brimstone in their addresses. Robertson, who spoke first, was in rare form, delivering nothing less than a blowtorch evangelical sermon to a standing ovation. Bob Dornan spoke next, and here was a guy who could chew a hole in concrete, raising nine kinds of hell about Nicaraguan Contras and Sandinistas and communism in the Western hemisphere, shaking his fists in the air and hammering the podium. Another standing ovation.

Then the Libertarian candidate, Dr. Ron Paul, was allowed to speak at the GOP Caucus, following these two rocket-powered Republican speakers. Paul's whole platform, I believe, was enumerating the economic blunders of the Reagan administration (bad idea for this crowd) and a call to abolish the Internal Revenue Service. When he said that, the whole audience just burst into laughter, because everyone except Ron Paul knew very well that the U.S. Congress would sooner slash their own throats than tamper with the IRS — the source of congressional spending sprees and their annual self-awarded pay raises.

Anybody who earnestly thinks that Congress will ever abolish the Internal Revenue Service is, quite simply, a brain-damaged retard. Building a presidential campaign even partially based on abolishing the IRS is preposterous, and that's putting it nicely. Congress will never kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. This is one major reason that Dr. Ron Paul isn't taken seriously as presidential material — the guy is (and has always been) a crackpot who spews rhetorical nonsense, pandering to his moronic constituents.

— Doc Velocity

I have to comment on the masterful Fox coverage and it's great American values. They want to blast Mr Paul for having a different view and eliminate him from being covered or heard barring Freedom of Speech. Then, The American people vote and choose Ron Paul, and they say they don't care what the polls says he didnt win, barring the American public voice being heard by vote. All this while the little American Flag is waving in the corner. If they don't care what the polls say, why were they even talking about them in the 1st place. Are they admitting they were just filling their show with nonsense and spewing BS?

America is supposed to be libertarian. There is no difference between the Republicans and Democrats. The earlier post was correct it's like gym class drawing up sides, after class you're still friends.

Originally posted by hoochymama
The question I would ask you Doc is WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE IN?????.... If you consider Ron Paul a crackpot, how do you look at the other candidates???

What I believe is that the two major political parties in this country are facades for an unelected shadow government that, frankly, controls every aspect of your life in America, a shadow government that stages periodic political vaudeville routines, scandals and crises in order to sustain the illusions of liberty, security and national sovereignty. None of those items exist today in America.

What I think of the other candidates is as follows: the Republican Candidates are all cardboard cut-outs, tokens of "choice" that are not intended to win a meaningless election; the Democratic Candidates are all cardboard cut-outs, tokens of "choice" that are intended to win a meaningless election.

Don't be so gullible as to think that either political party holds your best interests at heart. They are one and the same party with the same motivations, same greed, same amorality. I don't care if you get all worked up for the Left Wing or the Right, your vote means nothing — those who are truly in power are only staging these campaigns and elections to appease your ignorance and perpetuate your illusion of "choice".

We have no choice and haven't had choice for a good 60 years.

— Doc Velocity

Quote: "We have no choice and haven't had choice for a good 60 years." By Doc


This I agree with.

So, the one choice who speaks against everything you said in your post you automatically label a crackpot and wont even CONSIDER that he might be correct.

I would like to remind you that Ron Paul ran as a libertarian in 88'. In a statement after the debates, Ron Paul reminded us that he was a Republican long before he was Libertarian. The reason he ran as a Libertarian is because he SAW the evil that was coming.

I will reiterate my statement that I HAVE NEVER VOTED IN ANY ELECTION, EVER!!!!!!!

The reason, there is no one to vote who I can trust. This guy I TRUST!!!!!!!

I am outraged about the comments in that video. That was like a big slap in the face. I just don't know how much more I can take of this kind of aditude. But of course this is the way for the powers that be to eliminate free thinking in Americas society.

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Originally posted by Doc Velocity[/i

Don't be so gullible as to think that either political party holds your best interests at heart. They are one and the same party with the same motivations, same greed, same amorality. I don't care if you get all worked up for the Left Wing or the Right, your vote means nothing — those who are truly in power are only staging these campaigns and elections to appease your ignorance and perpetuate your illusion of "choice".

We have no choice and haven't had choice for a good 60 years.

— Doc Velocity

Its exactly that attitude that has enabled your so called shadow government to take hold...if there is one. You hide behind your delusions of dictated fate and willingly let people tell you how things should be run because you feel like you have no choice.
People laugh at Paul because they act like you do. We have someone willing to stand up for good policy and people ridicule him. Why? Because they know that America is corrupt...but not totally.

We have no choice? Then why is everyone so threated by what Ron Paul is saying!? They're threatened because for the first time, in a long time, we actually DO have a choice. People resonate with the fact that he is speaking what many are feeling and hes not afraid to say it. The polls prove it.

If Ron Paul was another nobody with no message to tell than there wouldnt be this smear campain against him from his OWN party.

Looks like the NeoCons will even wage war against their fellow Americans.




[edit on 17-5-2007 by xEphon]

911 Truther Virus LOL

Thats the funniest comment I've heard on Fox news in a while. Great for Ron Paul to actually being attention to the entire 911 subject. Its an area that needs closure and the entire U.S nation needs a full investigation to know the real truth behind it all.

This man would make america as it was once when every one from all over the world liked america.
This man is truly fantastic, there is an amierican that I like, ron paul

wow, im not american but ron paul would get my vote. and i cant believe how fascist fox news is. doc velocity is right though...the reason the forces are so much more destructive is because they are faceless. They are always underlying, but none-the-less there. you learn to tune them out and pretend they don't exist, carrying on with your lives - which is why things don't change. you guys owe it to the world and yourselves to get this next election right. everyone needs to rally together...or is it already too late.?

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Zionists must be freaking right now. I mean we got Paul spouting off at the mouth about 911 and still no war against Iran. They must stop Iran else Israel will not be able to control the entire world.