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According to research conducted by an English College professor, America did not take its name from Amerigo Vespucci, but from a senior collector of Customs at Bristol, the main port from which English voyages of discovery sailed in the late 15th century. Dr. Basil Cottle, who is himself of Welsh birth, tells us that the official was Richard Amerik, one of the chief investors in the second transatlantic voyage of John Cabot, which led to the famous navigator receiving the King's Pension for his discoveries.
John Cabot landed in the New World in May 1497, becoming the first recorded European to set foot on American soil. As far as Amerik's Welsh connection is concerned, the word "Amerik" itself seems to be derived from ap Meuric, Welsh for the son of Maurice. (The later was anglicized further to Morris). There was a large Welsh population in Bristol in the late 15th century.
Because Cabot's voyages were made before the year 1500, they pre-date Amerigo Vespucci's interest in the New World. Professor Cottle reminds us that new countries or continents are never named after a person's first name, always after his or her second name. Thus, America would have become "Vespucci Land" if the Italian explorer really gave his name to the newly discovered continent (i.e. Tasmania, Van Dieman's Land, Cook Islands, etc.). It seems that countries or territories are named after first names only when the name is that of a royal personage such as Prince Edward Island, Victoria, etc.).
just to say you are making some connections that simply do not exist and are based on some misinterpretations.
I won't even go into the Celts....
The Vikings had no need to travel to the Americas for timber. Europe suffered no shortage of timbers until the 1700s, very much the opposite in fact. Even then the British simply deforested Ireland rather than travel that distance. The UK was covered in primordial forest (which is why we had bears and wolves) as was much of mainland europe.
Secondly, the Vikings barely had a written language so cartography was never going to be an option. They had little need in their culture for writing or maps specifically. They were masters of the sea and knew the stars like the backs of their hands.
The only other point I would like to make is that the americas were obviously settled much earlier on, 'native' americans not 'indigenous'. Important distinction.
Remember Columbus wasn't looking for the americas - they though probably did not realise it was the same continent as the already discovered north - they were looking for a sea route to India. Hence 'Indians'.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
Making connections? Absolutely, however I have not actually presented the connections yet, so what connections said where not "correct" .. aside from that, everything historical has connections, and nothing is set in stone.
Lets take Britain for example, they had and still have forest, however in times of great warefare, especially later on in the 16-1800's they had a run on timber, not to mention building for expanding population growth
When it came down to it, almost every European nation would much rather use someone elses timber supply then deplete their own, leaving their own supplies for wars and so on...
An example is Spain, who used timber supplies from other nations, including Ireland during naval wars..
As did Britain, who also used vast amounts of Ireland's timber, even when they had their own supplies..
Britain when they established settlements in the New World, timber was one of the biggest exports, exporting it to Britain, but also to almost every industrial nation in the world... the entire Eastern United States was once vast forest, much of which was destroyed and exported or used locally.
Most Norse history was passed down orally, however they did have a written system, and where able map makers..
Aside from that, you are very correct in "knowing the stars" which is apart of the "connection" I have yet to get to.
There is some ancient method in which someone could navigate the waters?
Originally posted by uberarcanist
This will be a big shocker but neither the Irish, Scots, or Welsh are Celts! While the Welsh have been speaking Gaelic ever since the first (apparent) Celtic invasion of the British Isles, genetically they are not Celtic and are in fact more closely related to the Basque people.
news.bbc.co.uk...
www.freerepublic.com...
[edit on 17-5-2007 by uberarcanist]
The Piri Re'is map was found in 1929 in the Imperial Palace in Constantinople. It is painted on parchment and dated 919 A.H. (in the Islamic calendar), which corresponds to 1513 AD. It is signed by an admiral of the Turkish Navy named Piri Ibn Haji Memmed, also known as Piri Re'is. According to Piri Re'is, the map had been assembled from a set of 20 maps drawn in the time of Alexander the Great.
Originally posted by Rockpuck
Originally posted by uberarcanist
This will be a big shocker but neither the Irish, Scots, or Welsh are Celts! While the Welsh have been speaking Gaelic ever since the first (apparent) Celtic invasion of the British Isles, genetically they are not Celtic and are in fact more closely related to the Basque people.
news.bbc.co.uk...
www.freerepublic.com...
[edit on 17-5-2007 by uberarcanist]
Part II is almost done, nearly finished friends!
To the quoted post.
It is in fact true that no Celtic race exist in this world at the present time, because it has been diluted with other races, mainly Saxxon/Norse/Norman ect.. the closest genetic relitives to the (Irish) people are actually Spanish peoples..
However, a new race can be created rather easily, isolation and no immigration or at least very little, over hundreds of years will create a new "ethnicity" through inbreeding of the same basic genetics.
By the time of 1000AD the Welsh where no longer "Celtic" in genetics, by a long shot actually, they where English and the genetic soup that they are. However, they where Celtic in culture, that survived, and they did speak Gaelic, as they still do, though the English dominated the area through war and so forth, the language was suppressed, but did not die.
Same thing with the Scots, mostly of British decent, genetically they are no longer Celts but their culture and life styles where -- this is what I relate to when I say Celtics, the culture, lifestyle, nationalities and so forth. Ethnic differences offer little advances above others in intelligence, so we must assume the level of knowledge is then sponsored by the peoples who harbor them.
The Irish where the last to officially "die off" in the western lands Celts remained dominate in population for quite a while, at least into 300-400BC and possibly longer, Gaelic surnames are still to this day prevalent in the Gaeltachtaí regions of Ireland.
And as a pure blood Celt may not exist, their genetics where simply mixed in with invaders, immigrants, so on and so forth.. the genetic line was not broken, only altered.
Mmkay back to work!
Originally posted by Rockpuck
...they where English and the genetic soup that they are.
There are Templar stories that they used a star to navigate the waters of the Atlantic.
That star was called "Merica".
They called this land America, or the Land of the Star Merica.
There is also a story that the legendary Templar treasure was brought to North America, split up and hidden all over the land in small pockets, as it would be too difficult to hide all at once and too much for any one group to effectively control.
All cultures and freemasonry come from Atlantis; Atlanteans traveled whole world and this explains Piri Reis map
Lots of holes and assumptions but probably contains more truth than 99% of theories I read on here.