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9/11 Emergency Research Project

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posted on Jan, 4 2004 @ 06:58 AM
The seventh ATS Research Project, happens to be the first one for the year 2004.
This long awaited project, will determine if there is any truth to the "Official" government explanation of the events on September 11, 2001.

Team member objectives for the 9/11 'emergency team' investigation project.

Team Leader/ Earthtone- Activities of U.S government officials / U.S intelligence agencies
leading up to the attack. Activites of George. W. Bush before / during attacks.

EastCoastKid - To study the theory of the 'Remote control' theory: The boeing planes used
in the attacks all had a remote control flying feature.

da_superphreak - To Identify the correct list of the highjackers.
To determine if Those named by U.S intelligence were false.

Dreamz - Investigate The activities / failures of NORAD on 9/11.

MaskedAvatar - To incorporate objectives of the
previous thread "Time For Whitehouse & ATS Research." / review all information on
foreknowledge of the attacks / intelligence failures.

elevatedone - WTC1 , WTC2, WTC7 Building collapse: Demoltion theorys/ reasons for
the untouched WTC7 building to collapse/ official explanations investigated.

Dany - Investigate the Pentagon crash / plane crash in Pensylvania / investigate all phone contact made with people who were on the planes.

Kukla - Investigate historical events in low intensity conflict prior
to 9/11
e.g Project Bojinka

Verity -

[edit on 16-9-2004 by ADVISOR]

posted on Jan, 4 2004 @ 07:24 AM
This thread has to be started with the official story:

On the morning of September 11, 2001 four Boeing
passenger jets were hijacked within an hour by nineteen Arab terrorists armed with boxcutters. Pilots among these terrorists took control of the commercial planes and changed course toward targets in New York City and Washington D.C. Two of the planes were deliberately
crashed into the Twin Towers, causing fires within the towers, which melted the steel support structures, thereby causing the buildings to collapse completely. A third plane was deliberately crashed into the Pentagon. Passengers on the fourth plane overpowered the hijackers and caused the plane to crash in Pennsylvania. This was an attack on America planned and directed by Osama bin Laden as the leader of Al-Qaeda, a previously obscure anti-U.S. international terrorist organization composed mainly of Arabs.

Preliminary notes and points of investigation.

In terms of prior knowledge to the attacks, I think that the evidence mainly focuses around FBI agents and their restrictions whilst carrying out investigations on the would be Terrorists. Many restrictions seem to have come from the Justice Department.

In August 2001, mere weeks before the greatest mass murder of civilians in U.S. history, the Justice Department squelched two prescientefforts to avert the attacks. In Minneapolis, FBI agents frantically sought permission to search the possessions of one Zacarias Moussaoui, a bumbling, suspicious flight student and a colleague of Islamic fundamentalists. In New York, another FBI agent no less frantically sought clearance to throw his squad into an 11th-hour search for Khalid Almihdar, an al-Qaida operative at large in the country

Justice Department bureaucrats refused both requests on absurd grounds. In the case of the New York agent, for example, they argued that because he was a criminal
investigator, not an intelligence investigator, his participation in the manhunt for Almihdar could violate Almihdar’s rights: the al-Qaida agent was wanted not as an ordinary felon but as a terrorist

Similar things happened in Minneapolis as FBI agents investigated Moussaoui. FBI agent Coleen Rowley comments in her letter to Coleen Rowley's Memo to FBI Director Robert Mueller,

"It is obvious, from my firsthand knowledge of the events and the detailed documentation that exists, that the agents in Minneapolis who were closest to the action and in the best position to gauge the situation locally, did fully appreciate the terrorist risk/danger posed by Moussaoui and his possible co-conspirators even prior to September 11th."

Link to the original publishing of Cleen Rowley's memo to FBI director Robert Mueller,
May 21, 2002

Within the memo, Rowley attacks the driector for a "delicate and subtle shading/skewing of facts by you and others at the highest levels of FBI management. It "has occurred and is occurring" according to her.

At least from her point of view, there were serious plots within the agency prior to 9/11. These plots appeared to be trying to the agents in regards to terrorist invstigations.

" feel at this point that I have to put my concerns in writing concerning the important topic of the FBI's response to evidence of terrorist activity in the United States prior to September 11th. The issues are fundamentally ones of INTEGRITY and go to the heart of the FBI's law enforcement mission and mandate."

She goes on to say,

"I feel that certain facts, including the following, have, up to now, been omitted, downplayed, glossed over and/or mis-characterized in an effort to avoid or minimize personal and/or institutional embarrassment on the part of the FBI and/or perhaps even for improper political reasons: "

'Improper political reasons' could really relate to anything. We have to accept that the effects that 9/11 have had on the country have benefited the Bush administration in terms of their policys in American and internationally.

In regard to Rowley's case, she believes that there was clearly enough intelligence to warrant a criminal search of Moussaoui's residence but this not allowed. Why would such an investigation into a known terrorist be hampered in such away? At this time terrorist plots against the U.S were suspected by U.S intelligence.

"The Minneapolis agents' initial thought was to obtain a criminal search warrant, but in order to do so, they needed to get FBI Headquarters' (FBIHQ's) approval in order to ask for DOJ OIPR's approval to contact the United States Attorney's Office in Minnesota. Prior to and even after receipt of information provided by the French, FBIHQ personnel disputed with the Minneapolis agents the existence of probable cause to believe that a criminal violation had occurred/was occurring. As such, FBIHQ personnel refused to contact OIPR to attempt to get the authority. While reasonable minds may differ as to whether probable cause existed prior to receipt of the French intelligence information, it was certainly established after that point and became even greater with successive, more detailed information from the French and other intelligence sources"

For example: at one point, the Supervisory Special Agent at FBIHQ posited that the French information could be worthless because it only identified Zacarias Moussaoui by name and he, the SSA, didn't know how many people by that name existed in France. A Minneapolis agent attempted to surmount that problem by quickly phoning the FBI's legal Attache (Legat) in Paris, France, so that a check could be made of the French telephone directories. Although the Legat in France did not have access to all of the French telephone directories, he was able to quickly ascertain that there was only one listed in the Paris directory. It is not known if this sufficiently answered the question, for the SSA continued to find new reasons to stall.

Since Sep. 11th the official explanation as to why the events of Sep. 11th happened is based on the so- called "incompetence theory", supported by ex-CIA director James Woolsey, Pentagon Top Advisor Richard Perle and columnist David Corn.

There is a strong case for simple 'incompitence' when regarding fore-knowledge of the attacks. Clearly many support this.

The 911-commission didn't even get underway before the current US Government tried to stop the 911-hearings, dismissing them as unpatriotic or even as 'treason'.

If you carefully analyze the timeline of September 11th and the preceding days, not to mention weeks and months, you have to come to the conclusion that someone let the attack happen.

The motives are a just a war against the Taliban and an oil pipeline system in that region.

Both had been planned for years. This is well-documented in many articles.

But nobody has looked at the role that FBI Headquarters played in terms of intelligence and whether or not they were either sabotaged or bribed into letting the intelligence slip by. To start finding the correct answers, you have to look at the top.

Watson ignored at least 4 different FBI agents' warnings including the "urgent cable" of the CIA from August 23rd about Almihdhar and Alhazmi.

source for notes:

[Edited on 13-2-2004 by earthtone]

[Edited on 4/20/2004 by earthtone]

posted on Jan, 4 2004 @ 03:57 PM
‘Evidence mounts that September 11 was predictable,’ USA Today, 15 September 2001.

I am going to start listing and backgrounding the main figures of reference in terms of investigation within my goals. I will update this list on the post as my research continues.

Agent Coleen Rowley

Before her whistle-blowing memo regarding 9/11, FBI Agent Coleen Rowley had
a relatively low profile. She spent 12 years in the
Minnesota field office. In 1997, she was visible during the search
for designer Gianni Versace & apos killer, Andrew Cunanan. She was
the FBI spokesperson because another of Cunanan & apos's victims was from Minnesota.

Zacarias Moussaoui

A French Moroccan now facing trial for involvement
in the September 11 conspiracy, he was arrested on August 15 last
year after instructors at a flight school became suspicious.

His case was the one that Coleen Rowley claims was blocked by WAshington
and other FBI agents. The information that could have been revealed about the
upcoming 9/11 plot could have saved thousands of lives.

" FBI’s own lawyers decided in early September that the evidence
against Zacarias Moussaoui wasn’t strong enough to justify a
search warrant and the investigation stalled. But this week’s
sweeping federal indictment alleges that Moussaoui was indeed
part of the hijacking plot he was supposed to be the 20th hijacker,
according to the Feds and makes him the primary defendant in the U.S.
attempt to convict Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden before the court of world
opinion. "

"The FBI supervisory special agent (SSA) most involved in the Moussaoui matter
... seemed to have been consistently, almost deliberately thwarting the Minneapolis
agents' efforts... "

Robert Mueller, Director of the Federal Beurau of Investigation

After September 11, Mueller told Congress that there had been no
signs that such an attack was being planned. When it emerged there
had been clues, he said there had not been enough information to stop
the plan unfolding. He said the following:

"[the 9/11 hijackers] contacted no known terrorist sympathizers
[and] left no paper trail. As best we can determine, the actual
hijackers had no computers, no laptops, no storage media of any kind."

[just to point out] These claims of "no storage media of any kind" seem to contradict
investigations carried out by FBI agents like Rowley. She said in her
Memo to Mueller:

"Research into Mr Moussaoui's background uncovered French intelligence suspicions
that he had links to Islamic extremist groups, and Mrs Rowley approved a request for a
search of Mr Moussaoui's computer and personal effects, but the request met with
scepticism in Washington, and by one unnamed supervisory special agent (SSA) in particular.

U.S. attorney David Philip Schippers

former Chief Investigative Counsel for the U.S. House Judiciary Committee and head
prosecutor responsible for conducting the impeachment against former President Bill Clinton.

"Two days after the attacks, Schippers went public in an interview with WRRK in Pittsburgh,
PA., stating that he had attempted to warn U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft, along with
other federal officials, about the terrorist attacks weeks before they occurred. He stated
that he had received information from U.S. intelligence sources, including FBI agents, that
a massive attack was being planned by terrorists, targeting the financial arteries of lower
Manhattan. Schippers had attempted to bring this information to the attention of John Ashcroft,
six weeks before the tragedy of Black Tuesday. Schippers went public again in October 2001, r
eiterating that, several months prior to September, impeccable sources in the U.S. intelligence community,
including agents of the U.S. government’s law enforcement agency, the FBI, had approached him with information a
bout the impending attacks. "

Schnipper is clearly at the forefront of people who believe there is a major plot regarding
the intelligence American agencies had.

[Edited on 4-1-2004 by earthtone]

posted on Jan, 5 2004 @ 02:25 AM
WTC / Pentagon Video

First WTC strike (MSN video)
First WTC strike (CNN Video)
Second WTC strike (CNN Video)
CNN crash review WTC/Pentagon
UA flught 93 cockpit voices (CNN video)

Aspects of World trade center / pentagon sites

military recon photo

Thanks to ADVISOR for sending me this.

[Edited on 3/16/2004 by earthtone]

[Edited on 4/19/2004 by earthtone]

posted on Jan, 6 2004 @ 04:42 AM
I'm not entirely certain if this holds much relevance, I haven't read all the transcripts, here's an excerpt direct from the site:

Frantic conversations between trapped people and authorities during the moments before the World Trade Center towers collapsed on September 11, 2001, are revealed in transcripts of radio and telephone transmissions and in handwritten notes that were released Thursday....

The transcripts were released by the agency that built and ran security at the World Trade Center -- the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey.

A good portion of the documents are from handwritten and typed notes of Port Authority police and civilian employees recounting afterward what had happened....

The rest of the documents are transcriptions of conversations over nearly 100 telephone lines and civilian radio channels....

The documents were released after a ruling from Judge Sybil R. Moses as a result of a lawsuit filed by the New York Times seeking access to the 2,000 pages of documents.

Next, I have a website link to which lists many of the oddities of the phone calls made from the planes that day.

# The calls have a peculiar distribution with thirteen calls attributed to Flight 93 passengers, but only zero to one attributed to passengers on any of the other flights. Why would the hijackers be so permissive on that flight but only selectively permissive on others, letting Flight 11 Attendant Madeline Sweeney talk for the entire hijacked portion of its route?
# Experiments conducted with cellphones show that cellphones seldom work at all above 10,000 feet. Several of the alleged Flight 93 calls were made when the plane would still have been near its cruising altitude of 35,000 feet.
# Below 10,000 feet, cellphone calls made from a jet would cause problematic "cascades" in networks of cellsites on the ground. Cascading is caused by a phone at several thousand feet elevation being unable to distinguish which of several cellsites has the strongest signal. This causes the phone to repeatedly select a new channel and try again, possibly leading to a network-wide breakdown. No such cascades were reported on September 11th.
# Family members of the Flight 93 victims reported that charges for the calls never appeared on the cellphone accounts.
# Several calls have the ring of fakery, They include the following:

* The call to Mark Bingham's mother, Alice, from someone claiming to be her son, was very short. After his awkward introduction, the caller failed to respond to Alice's twice-repeated question, and then the line went dead.
* In one of the calls attributed to Barbara Olsen, the caller asked Ted Olsen "What should I tell the pilot?", referring to Chic Burlingame, the captain, who was then supposedly seated in the rear with Barbara. Chic was graduate of Naval Academy and flew F-4s in Vietnam. It seems highly doubtful that he could have been persuaded to hand over the stick without a fight, and agree to sit in the back of the plane, especially when controllers had been broadcasting to pilots that Flight 11 had been hijacked.
* There is no public evidence of recordings for any of the conversations, despite the extended length of some of them, except for Madeline Sweeney's alleged call.
* Sweeney, who was the "anchor" for Flight 11, says: "I see, buildings, water, ... Oh my God!", immediately before the crash, as though she, a Massachusettes-based flight attendant of 12 years, had never seen the Manhattan skyline before. Supposedly she was continuously monitoring the view out a window.
* A person claiming to be Todd Beamer, one of the heroes of the purported Flight 93 passenger revolt, talked to a Verizon supervisor for 13 minutes. Why would Beamer prefer to talk to a stranger than to someone in his own family?
* The alleged Todd Beamer talked like a reporter, giving the blow-by-blow account of the goings on right up to the famous "let's roll".

* Except for the Beamer call, all of the Flight 93 calls were very short, usually just a few sentences, with the caller ending the conversation by saying they had to go, only to call back later in many cases for another short call. Why did they have to go? Were the hijackers enforcing a 1 minute time limit on all conversations?


Found another site which points towards the hijackings being remote controlled

a. American Airlines Airbus A300 in 1999: As it prepared to
land in Miami the rudder moved back and forth several
times on its own causing the jet to move from side to side.
"Rudder movements extreme" said NTSB.

b. Egypt Air 990 Boeing 767 10/31/99 JFK to Cairo, Egypt
Top Egyptian military aboard. A half hour out of New York
the pilot left the cockpit to go to the toilet. A voice, in
English, is heard on the voice recorder saying "Control it." --then the
plane begins flying counter to the auto-pilot. The co-pilot
turns off the auto-pilot in an attempt to regain control of the plane.
The plane then goes into a dive. The co-pilot is heard calling
on Allah for help. The pilot returns 16 seconds into the dive,
shouting, "What's happening?" Both work to pull up the nose.
The engine goes full throttle. The co-pilot cuts the fuel lines.
The right and left elevators move in opposite directions. The
ailerons on both wings move full up. The pilot orders "Shut
engines." The co-pilot replies: "They're shut." The last words are of the
pilot saying in Arabic "Pull! Pull! Pull!" Suddenly the voice
recorder is simply shut off, just like in Flight 587. The remote-control
crash-jacker had heard enough to know that his mission had succeeded.

c. Flight 587 on 11/12/01 and Airbus A 300 after taking off in New York
suddenly has its vertical stabilizer begin to sway back and forth,
beyond the normal range that even the cockpit controls permit. Flight data record
"unusual sideways movements, called yawing, that slammed passengers
back and forth" as if they were trying to break off a piece of metal by
bending it back and forth. When the rudder was gone the plane might still have
been able to land, except that now the remote crashjacker began playing with
the flaps, ailerons and elevators all at the same time. The strain on the plane
was terrific as the recorder indicates that the plane turned a full ten degrees in one second.
The plane banked left, even thought the recorder shows that the pilots
were working controls to move in the opposite direction. Then the
crashjacker finishes his work, as the recorder indicates that the nose drops and the
voice record is cut off (both the planes power source and the emergency battery source).
The stresses caused by these beyond s.o.p. parameters -- a full throttle dive and
then the flaps suddenly put down -- caused the engines to break off.

[Edited on 6-1-2004 by Ðany]

posted on Jan, 6 2004 @ 05:46 AM
This is a very indepth website looking into the 11/9 crashes, specifically the Pentagon crash.

If anyone has any info they want to share about the Pentagon crash, please send me a U2U.

posted on Jan, 6 2004 @ 05:53 AM
sorry but i no longer wish to take part, i have just gotten a new job and that is taking up a considerable amount of my time. once again sorry.

posted on Jan, 6 2004 @ 06:02 AM
Sorry for stepping on yer toes there with that post about the planes being remote controlled EastCoastKid, but our subjects kinda go hand in hand.
If the phone calls aren't real, to me, that means there were no hijackers because the Todd Beamer call claims that they are going to fight back against the hijackers and if that's not real, then where's the proof of the hijackers?
Also, it seems that every call made from the planes to the ground start with the person calling giving their full name, why would they give their full name to their mother or partner when surely their parnter would know who it is by them just saying their first name?
Just doesn't make sense.

[Edited on 6-1-2004 by Ðany]

posted on Jan, 6 2004 @ 06:08 AM

Originally posted by ausconspiracies
sorry but i no longer wish to take part, i have just gotten a new job and that is taking up a considerable amount of my time. once again sorry.

Well I'm sorry to hear about this, shame you could not contribute. We are now a member down on the team, leaving us with an extra section of research that needs to be handled...

I just though t I'd let you know that my computer at home has completely died. I am trying to get it fixed as soon as possible, and hopefully I wont lose my research work. So I apolagise in advance for my lack of posting, there is nothing I can do!

[Edited on 9-1-2004 by earthtone]

posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 01:37 PM

Originally posted by Ðany
Sorry for stepping on yer toes there with that post about the planes being remote controlled EastCoastKid, but our subjects kinda go hand in hand.
If the phone calls aren't real, to me, that means there were no hijackers because the Todd Beamer call claims that they are going to fight back against the hijackers and if that's not real, then where's the proof of the hijackers?
Also, it seems that every call made from the planes to the ground start with the person calling giving their full name, why would they give their full name to their mother or partner when surely their parnter would know who it is by them just saying their first name?
Just doesn't make sense.

[Edited on 6-1-2004 by Ðany]

That is indeed something to be looked at. I remember reading something a long while back about cell phone research (in-air calling). It claimed that those calls were ipossible technically to make. Had what looked like solid scientific evidence. If I can find it I'll share. The writer claimed that the calls were actually made by CIA operatives. They brought up the same point you made regarding the strange calls.

How many people here have made calls from a flight?

posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 01:43 PM
The Lone Gunman Episode

The Lone Gunman Episode you HAVE to see!

Ok guys, I'm on the job! Remember the X-Files spin-off "The Lone Gunman?" I just located this clip of an episode that eerily supports my contention that the airplanes that crashed into the World Trade Center and Pentagon and the airplane that was SHOT DOWN over PA, were actually taken over by remote control. That's exactly what this episode was about. The show was quickly cancelled, by the way! Take a look at this and tell me what you think:
Further info:

A Summary of the Episode

The Lone Gunmen
Pilot episode of X-Files spin off an insider 911 warning or sick conditioning?

The X-Files spinoff shows a government plan to remote-control a plane to crash into The World Trade Center and trigger war just like Pentagon's Operation Northwoods.
The only difference is that the airliner crew got help to unlock their flight controls and save all lives - Hollywood always lies about reality. The show premiered in March 2001, in the Sunday Timeslot of The X-Files to gain some extra exposure for its first four episodes. It finally settled into its Friday 9:00 PM slot on FOX.

Ladies and Gentlemen, this is either someone somewhere within the establishment trying to desperately get out a warning or it is more likely an evil Government operation. The show has been used to subconsciously manipulate people to believe that if these events did actually happen, it would be like a film, not a part of reality, therefore we should not worry too much. Anyone who would dare to say that the Government were responsible for such terrorist attacks would immediately be branded a "lunitic conspiracy theorist, like those guys from the X-Files." This is one of the sickest depraved operations that could possibley be devised, it is conditioning on a mass scale. Anyway, lets get to the events of the Lone Gunmen episode.

Episode Summary

They realize that the airplane will be remote controlled, just like Bert's car was. Talking by phone to the Gunmen's office, Byers asks Langly and Frohike to hack into the aircraft controls. They do and discover that the plane is programmed to crash into the World Trade Center. Bert enters the cockpit and tries to warn the aircrew, but they don't believe him. Making a lunge, he deactivates the autopilot and the crew realizes that they are not in control. They have 22 minutes before they hit the building. Langly can't break the encryption on the aircraft control system --- his computer doesn't have the processing power and the computer keeps freezing. Frohike slips next door to the firing range and finds Yves there. He needs the Octium but she is not impressed by the need to save people's lives. Frohike points out that her name is an anagram for "Lee Harvey Oswald" and says he knows who she is. She uses the Octium in her laptop to somehow assist Langly break the encryption and give the pilots control of the aircraft again. The plane barely misses the skyscraper.

posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 01:44 PM
Project Bojinka

Here's a great site for you to check out. It's a complete catalog of info. I remember seeing something on Bojinka somewhere on the list.

posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 01:47 PM

Originally posted by EastCoastKid
It claimed that those calls were ipossible technically to make. Had what looked like solid scientific evidence. If I can find it I'll share. The writer claimed that the calls were actually made by CIA operatives. They brought up the same point you made regarding the strange calls.

How many people here have made calls from a flight?

Indeed there is a case for that theory. There is detailed research on this page

Were Flight 93 Cell Phone Calls Possible?

The vast majority of phone calls attributed to passengers from the commandeered jetliners were Flight 93 cell phone calls. Among the oddities of these calls, one that can be evaluated experimentally is the unlikelihood that such calls were even possible, given the altitude and speed of the airplane, and the nature of cell phone networks.

Their conclusion

To the extent that the cellphones used in this experiment represent types in general use, it may be concluded that from this particular type of aircraft, cellphones become useless very quickly with increasing altitude. In particular, two of the cellphone types, the Mike and the Nokia, became useless above 2000 feet. Of the remaining two, the Audiovox worked intermittently up to 6000 feet but failed thereafter, while the BM analog cellphone worked once just over 7000 feet but failed consistently thereafter. We therefore conclude that ordinary cellphones, digital or analog, will fail to get through at or above 8000 feet abga.

It should be noted that several of the calls rated here as "successes" were difficult for the Recorder to hear, witness description such as "breaking up" or "buzzy."

I think it's compelling stuff.

posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 01:56 PM
I am convinced that the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania was actually shot down. I will offer information that explores that theory as soon as I can. Imagine the passengers rushing to the cockpit and their complete horror at finding out the airplane was not being flown from anyone in the cockpit. What would they do? They'd get on the horn immediately and announce that little fact loudly. That could not be allowed! No way! They had to neutralize that aircraft and everybody in it before word got out to the wrong people. People who could not be intimidated and controlled.

There were plenty of witnesses around the crash area who claimed there was a white military-type jet in the area at the same time.

Also, from what I've seen of the debris field, it's got shoot-down all over it.

Stay tuned!

posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 02:07 PM
That might've been the one I saw, Earthtone. It looks and sounds like I remember it. That shyte should be on the front page of every newspaper!

I've read so much on 9-11 and everything related, it's a wonder my eyes aren't permanently crossed!

Here's a great, great archive for all:

• Warnings on the eve of the attack > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• Operation Bojinka/Planes as Bombs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• W199I - FBI hindered in Al-Qaeda investigation > > > > > > > > > > > >
• Terrorists trained at US flight schools > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• Protection of Zacarias Moussaoui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• Making it easy for the terrorists to attack > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• Questionable Ties > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• Protection of terrorists post-9/11 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• CIA meeting with bin Laden > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• Operation Bojinka/Planes as Bombs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• Warnings ignored > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• Russian foreknowledge and warnings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• Israeli foreknowledge and warnings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• FEMA in place on September 10th? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• Clinton administration protection of terrorists > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• Insider trading immediately prior to 9/11 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• Carlyle Group & Bush-bin Laden connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• The Hegelian Dialectic in History: Operation Northwoods > > > > > > > > >
• The Hegelian Dialectic in History: Pearl Harbor > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• The Hegelian Dialectic in History: USS Liberty > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• The Hegelian Dialectic in History: Russian FSB caught blowing up buildings > > >
• The Hegelian Dialectic in History: Vietnam > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• The Hegelian Dialectic in History: The Reichstag fire > > > > > > > > > > >
• The Hegelian Dialectic in History: 1993 World Trade Center bombing > > > > >
• Bin Laden the CIA asset > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• Funding & equipping the Taliban/Al-Qaeda > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• UN/Pentagon supported Al-Qaeda in Bosnia > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• Prior knowledge of 2001 anthrax attack > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• Pre-Sept. 11 plan to invade Afghanistan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• The oil pipeline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• Narcotics & Opium Trade > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• Whistleblower Delmart Vreeland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• Where are the 'suicide hijackers'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• How did Bush see the 1st plane hit the WTC? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• Bombs in the Buildings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• Operation 9/11 - remote control Boeings? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
• Washington and New York left unprotected > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• Anecdotal prior knowledge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• Washington and New York left unprotected > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• Operation 9/11 - remote control Boeings? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• Bombs in the Buildings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• How did Bush see the 1st plane hit the WTC? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• Where are the 'suicide hijackers'? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• Whistleblower Delmart Vreeland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• Narcotics & Opium Trade > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• The oil pipeline > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• Pre-Sept. 11 plan to invade Afghanistan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• Prior knowledge of 2001 anthrax attack > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• UN/Pentagon supported Al-Qaeda in Bosnia > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• Funding & equipping the Taliban/Al-Qaeda > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• Bin Laden the CIA asset > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• The Hegelian Dialectic in History: 1993 World Trade Center bombing > > > > >

• The Hegelian Dialectic in History: The Reichstag fire > > > > > > > > > > >

• The Hegelian Dialectic in History: Vietnam > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• Terrorists trained at US flight schools > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• Making it easy for the terrorists to attack > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• Questionable Ties > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• Protection of terrorists post-9/11 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• CIA meeting with bin Laden > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• Warnings on the eve of the attack > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• The Hegelian Dialectic in History: Russian FSB caught blowing up buildings > > >

• Israeli foreknowledge and warnings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• Clinton administration protection of terrorists > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• Insider trading immediately prior to 9/11 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• Carlyle Group & Bush-bin Laden connection > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• The Hegelian Dialectic in History: Pearl Harbor > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• The Hegelian Dialectic in History: Operation Northwoods > > > > > > > > >

• The Hegelian Dialectic in History: USS Liberty > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• FEMA in place on September 10th? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• Russian foreknowledge and warnings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

• W199I - FBI hindered in Al-Qaeda investigation > > > > > > > > > > > >

posted on Feb, 7 2004 @ 02:44 PM
Mortadelo and the WTC Attack
In Mortadelo y Filemon, El 35 anniversario, the final image of the title story contains a detail which suggests that author Fransisco Ibáñez may have foreseen the September 11, 2001 attack on the World Trade Center buildings in New York. The image was drawn in 1992. This book was published in July 1994.

We thank Ramon Martinez Cazon for pointing us to this detail!

posted on Feb, 13 2004 @ 07:31 AM
Has someone been sitting on the FBI? 6/11/01

This is a transcript of an interview on BBC newsnight. I am going tp ut this up here becuase I think it raises interesting points in terms of our research.

The CIA and Saudi Arabia, the Bushes and the Bin Ladens. Did their connections cause America to turn a blind eye to terrorism?

There is a hidden agenda at the very highest levels of our government.

The sad thing is that thousands of Americans had to die needlessly.

How can it be that the former President of the US and the current President of the US have business dealings with characters that need to be investigated?

In the eight weeks since the attacks, over 1,000 suspects and potential witnesses have been detained. Yet, just days after the hijackers took off from Boston aiming for the Twin Towers, a special charter flight out of the same airport whisked 11 members of Osama Bin Laden's family off to Saudi Arabia. That did not concern the White House.

Their official line is that the Bin Ladens are above suspicion - apart from Osama, the black sheep, who they say hijacked the family name. That's fortunate for the Bush family and the Saudi royal household, whose links with the Bin Ladens could otherwise prove embarrassing. But Newsnight has obtained evidence that the FBI was on the trail of other members of the] Bin Laden family for links to terrorist organisations before and after September 11th.

This document is marked "Secret". Case ID - 199-Eye WF 213 589. 199 is FBI code for case type. 9 would be murder. 65 would be espionage. 199 means national security. WF indicates Washington field office special agents were investigating ABL - because of it's relationship with the World Assembly of Muslim Youth, WAMY - a suspected terrorist organisation. ABL is Abdullah Bin Laden, president and treasurer of WAMY.

This is the sleepy Washington suburb of Falls Church, Virginia where almost every home displays the Stars and Stripes. On this unremarkable street, at 3411 Silver Maple Place, we located the former home of Abdullah and another brother, Omar, also an FBI suspect. It's conveniently close to WAMY. The World Assembly of Muslim Youth is in this building, in a little room in the basement at 5613 Leesburg Pike. And here, just a couple blocks down the road at 5913 Leesburg, is where four of the hijackers that attacked New York and Washington are listed as having lived.

The US Treasury has not frozen WAMY's assets, and when we talked to them, they insisted they are a charity. Yet, just weeks ago, Pakistan expelled WAMY operatives. And India claimed that WAMY was funding an organisation linked to bombings in Kashmir. And the Philippines military has accused WAMY of funding Muslim insurgency. The FBI did look into WAMY, but, for some reason, agents were pulled off the trail.

The FBI wanted to investigate these guys. This is not something that they didn't want to do - they wanted to, they weren't permitted to.

The secret file fell into the hands of national security expert, Joe Trento. The Washington spook-tracker has been looking into the FBI's allegations about WAMY.

They've had connections to Osama Bin Laden's people. They've had connections to Muslim cultural and financial aid groups that have terrorist connections. They fit the pattern of groups that the Saudi royal family and Saudi community of princes - the 20,000 princes - have funded who've engaged in terrorist activity.

Now, do I know that WAMY has done anything that's illegal? No, I don't know that. Do I know that as far back as 1996 the FBI was very concerned about this organisation? I do.

Newsnight has uncovered a long history of shadowy connections between the State Department, the CIA and the Saudis. The former head of the American visa bureau in Jeddah is Michael Springman.

Michael Springman.

In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high level State Dept officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants. These were, essentially, people who had no ties either to Saudi Arabia or to their own country. I complained bitterly at the time there. I returned to the US, I complained to the State Dept here, to the General Accounting Office, to the Bureau of Diplomatic Security and to the Inspector General's office. I was met with silence.

By now, Bush Sr, once CIA director, was in the White House. Springman was shocked to find this wasn't visa fraud. Rather, State and CIA were playing "the Great Game".

What I was protesting was, in reality, an effort to bring recruits, rounded up by Osama Bin Laden, to the US for terrorist training by the CIA. They would then be returned to Afghanistan to fight against the then-Soviets.

The attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 did not shake the State Department's faith in the Saudis, nor did the attack on American barracks at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia three years later, in which 19 Americans died. FBI agents began to feel their investigation was being obstructed. Would you be surprised to find out that FBI agents are a bit frustrated that they can't be looking into some Saudi connections?

I would never be surprised with that. They're cut off at the hip sometimes by supervisors or given shots that are being called from Washington at the highest levels.

I showed lawyer Michael Wildes our FBI documents. One of the Khobar Towers bombers was represented by Wildes, who thought he had useful intelligence for the US. He also represents a Saudi diplomat who defected to the USA with 14,000 documents which Wildes claims implicates Saudi citizens in financing terrorism and more. Wildes met with FBI men who told him they were not permitted to read all the documents. Nevertheless, he tried to give them to the agents.

"Take these with you. We're not going to charge for the copies. Keep them. Do something with them. Get some bad guys with them." They refused.

In the hall of mirrors that is the US intelligence community, Wildes, a former US federal attorney, said the FBI field agents wanted the documents, but they were told to "see no evil."

You see a difference between the rank-and-file counter-intelligence agents, who are regarded by some as the motor pool of the FBI, who drive following diplomats, and the people who are getting the shots called at the highest level of our government, who have a different agenda - it's unconscionable.

State wanted to keep the pro-American Saudi royal family in control of the world's biggest oil spigot, even at the price of turning a blind eye to any terrorist connection so long as America was safe. In recent years, CIA operatives had other reasons for not exposing Saudi-backed suspects.


If you recruited somebody who is a member of a terrorist organisation, who happens to make his way here to the US, and even though you're not in touch with that person anymore but you have used him in the past, it would be unseemly if he were arrested by the FBI and word got back that he'd once been on the payroll of the CIA. What we're talking about is blow-back. What we're talking about is embarrassing, career-destroying blow-back for intelligence officials.


Does the Bush family also have to worry about political blow-back? The younger Bush made his first million 20 years ago with an oil company partly funded by Salem Bin Laden's chief US representative. Young George also received fees as director of a subsidiary of Carlyle Corporation, a little known private company which has, in just a few years of its founding, become one of Americas biggest defence contractors. His father, Bush Senior, is also a paid advisor. And what became embarrassing was the revelation that the Bin Ladens held a stake in Carlyle, sold just after September 11.


You have a key relationship between the Saudis and the former President of the US who happens to be the father of the current President of the US. And you have all sorts of questions about where does policy begin and where does good business and good profits for the company, Carlyle, end?


I received a phone call from a high-placed member of a US intelligence agency. He tells me that while there's always been constraints on investigating Saudis, under George Bush it's gotten much worse. After the elections, the agencies were told to "back off" investigating the Bin Ladens and Saudi royals, and that angered agents. I'm told that since September 11th the policy has been reversed. FBI headquarters told us they could not comment on our findings. A spokesman said: "There are lots of things that only the intelligence community knows and that no-one else ought to know.

I will update thsi post with more information about this transcript and those in it.

I thought this transcript raised some interesting points.

[Edited on 13-2-2004 by earthtone]

posted on Mar, 1 2004 @ 12:27 PM
A group of civil, military and commercial pilots got together in Portugal and had a marathon debate over what actually happened to those airplanes on 9-11. The retired military man that got them together then issued a 20 page report on their findings.

I will look into getting a copy of the report.

Of course the media went totally black on the subject. Big surprise.

Here is an article about it from John Kaminski:

No Hijackers For 911
Repentant arms dealer reveals disgruntled
U.S. military on the verge of revolt
By John Kaminski

Back in May 2003, a journalist in Portugal reported on a sensational, marathon meeting of a group of U.S. pilots that issued a report concluding that the story told by the U.S. government about what happened on Sept. 11, 2001 was improbable and unlikely.

And an interview with the man (Ret. Col. Don de Grand-Pre) who got the pilots together and wrote the report:

Transcript: Alex Jones Interviews Col. Donn de Grand-Pre, U.S. Army (ret.): Explosive New 9/11 Revelations and Explanations

The Alex Jones Show

AJ: He put on a symposium a few years ago that made headlines in major newspapers, in Portugal. We had one of those articles posted. And it says,

"Portugal-based investigative journalist has presented The News, with the version of the September 11th attacks that has to-date failed to attract the attention of the international press. The report, compiled by the independent inquiry into the September 11th World Trade Center attack, warns the American public that the government's official version of the events does not stand up to scrutiny."

And the man who put this on was Col. Donn de Grand , who's an American in a 72-hour non-stop symposium, deliberation by a group of military and civilian pilots under the chairmanship of Col. Donn de Grand. After deliberating non-stop for 72-hours, has concluded the flight crews of the four passenger airliners involved in the September 11th tragedy had no control over their aircraft.

The conclusion the pilots came up with is they were remote-controlled aircrafts and that the airplane that crashed in PA was shot down. I definitely agree with that. His other assertions are very interesting, to say the least.

[Edited on 19-09-2003 by EastCoastKid]

posted on Mar, 1 2004 @ 04:14 PM
There's a thread on this interview. I was wondering, as I read through it, if this guy is some kind of disinfo agent. Some things he says make sense, while others I find strange. Like his suggestion that Depleted Uranium is not really the cause of some Gulf War syndrome, but that it was actually small nukes shot from Israel.

Now, I don't know nuthin' bout that - and I was there prayin' Israel would stay its hand and not get into it. That woulda been bigTime bad for more than a couple reasons.

I also disagree with his assertion that the negative effects of DU is overplayed. Sure.

He also claimed that Gen. Richard Myers circulated 500 copies of his report. And believes the remote control theory. That shyte does not wash. He was in charge of NORAD, after 9-11 rather than getting courtmartialled for deriliction of duty - he got PROMOTED! Myers HAD to be aware of the plot. HAD to. He was an integral part of it. Without NORAD standing down, it wouldn't have happened! Couldn't have happened.

He does support remote control and points out that technology has been in use for decades. I agree.

He says the cell phones from the airliners did not happen. I agree with that, too, because of an in-air study done on cell phone use at different elevations using different cell phones. I believe they were staged.

He contends the plane that "crashed" in PA was shot down. I agree with that, also. The ultimate question regarding that, is WHY?

Before you look at the Remote Control theory, read Operation Northwoods! It's essential to understanding the depth of depravity that truly works at the highest levels of our government!!

Here it is:

April 30, 2001

In his new exposé of the National Security Agency entitled Body of Secrets, author James Bamford highlights a set of proposals on Cuba by the Joint Chiefs of Staff codenamed OPERATION NORTHWOODS. This document, titled “Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba” was provided by the JCS to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13, 1962, as the key component of Northwoods. Written in response to a request from the Chief of the Cuba Project, Col. Edward Lansdale, the Top Secret memorandum describes U.S. plans to covertly engineer various pretexts that would justify a U.S. invasion of Cuba. These proposals - part of a secret anti-Castro program known as Operation Mongoose - included staging the assassinations of Cubans living in the United States, developing a fake “Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington,” including “sink[ing] a boatload of Cuban refugees (real or simulated),” faking a Cuban airforce attack on a civilian jetliner, and concocting a “Remember the Maine” incident by blowing up a U.S. ship in Cuban waters and then blaming the incident on Cuban sabotage. Bamford himself writes that Operation Northwoods “may be the most corrupt plan ever created by the U.S. government.”
Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba [includes cover memoranda], March 13, 1962, TOP SECRET, 15 pp.

One can never look at our government or any government the same way again after reading this chilling document put together by JFK's psychopathic generals.

posted on Mar, 1 2004 @ 04:30 PM

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