Originally posted by Athenion
Look, I was just clarifying why I said what I said. I've had many, many, many arguements with mauddib, and as far as I can tell, he's claimed time
and time again that CO2 is not a pollutant, and not a greenhouse gas.
Excuse me?... Show me one statement which corroborates "your lie" that I have claimed CO2 is not a GHG....
I am sure you will find no such statement, because i have never said what you claim....
What I have said is that CO2 does not cause the warming which melatonin and you claim it causes...
BTW...we have not had "many, many, many arguments"... We have had a "few discussions" maybe three or four, and in all of them you make claims
without providing any proof to back your claims, and if I am wrong show me that proof...
Originally posted by Athenion
So if you think that CO2 is only effecting 1-5% of our environment, why don't you think mitigating those ffects is a good idea? Even if you're
right, and there are no immediate dangers, surely the long term effects are worth considering.
If CO2 is affecting the Earth's environment so bad, why is it that during higher levels of CO2 on Earth's atmosphere plant life flourished, and even
animals have thrived?....
Currently the Earth has some of the lower levels of CO2 that have existed throughout the history of the Earth.
Originally posted by Athenion
You speak of detrimental economic factors, but that seems like a strange arguement. That, to me, seems like saying we should never have moved from
horse and buggy to cars, because it will hurt the horse and buggy aspect of our economy. Yes, our economy will fluctuate as different areas of
technology shift, but as oil and coal and other fossil fuel businesses close, just as many progressive green businesses will open, providing wind,
solar, or thermal power generation.
...first of all noone is saying that we shouldn't try to find new power sources, just that the exagerated claims made by some, and the drastic
changes which apparently you and some others want is not viable, as every aspect of infraestructure on Earth depends heavily on oil, and the lives of
billions of people depend on oil.... hence we can't just "drop oil derivatives, and byproducts and live happily ever after"...
We don't even have fleets of "hybrid trucks", much less any other viable source of power for transporting, or the production of food and goods.
Solar cars don't produce enough energy, hydrogen cars/water cars still give us a lot of problems and will release vast amounts of water vapor, which
is a much worse GHG than CO2.
There have been some progress into alternative fuel sources, but we are still a long ways from changing the need for the world of oil.
[edit on 3-6-2007 by Muaddib]
