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I will come back and take you to be with me
Originally posted by ben91069
If someone had the resources and wanted to ascend in a certain manner physical and spiritual, you could certainly get a weather balloon and a chair and take one last ride into the thin high altitude air. It would be a beautiful sight to behold as long as you had a nice heavy coat to stay warm.
Originally posted by shrunkensimon
I think there is the potential for something to happen on this day, although the "rapture" is a dead certain no no.. what makes Israelis so special over everyone else?
Originally posted by TheStev
Jesus was referring to the Second Coming, not the Rapture.
If we backtrack a bit from the 1 Thessalonians verse to 4:16 we get:
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command
Source Bible Gateway
And if we track through your Matthew 24 verse we get:
At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds
'At that time' (the time when 'they will gather his elect from the four winds') 'they will see the Son of Man coming on clouds of the sky'.
So tell me again how the alleged rapture is separate from the return of Christ?
Originally posted by queenannie38
they are not 'special over' anyone...they are here to serve the world by demonstrating that God Is Real.
Originally posted by grover
God I am sick of these blowhards... please let the rapture come soon so the rest of us can have some peace and quiet.
Originally posted by TheStev
But again - the Thess verse says that before that happens the Lord will come down from heaven. Are you saying that God the Father comes down from heaven, takes all the Christians back with him - then some time later Jesus returns?
Seems to me that The Lord coming down from heaven would be the second coming.
And Christians aren't really into numerology, but Jewish people are. Given that Christianity is the extension of Judaism (technically) there's bound to be a bit of trickle-down.
Wait wait - I've just noticed something else. In your most recent post you're saying the date/time of the rapture can't be predicted, but the second coming can. Your previous posts have taken the inverse position - which is it?
[edit on 15-5-2007 by TheStev]
Originally posted by junglelord
Eschatology is the study of bible prophecy.
1. The branch of theology that is concerned with the end of the world or of humankind.
2. A belief or a doctrine concerning the ultimate or final things, such as death, the destiny of humanity, the Second Coming, or the Last Judgment.
there are no signs that preceed the rapture...it could happen at anytime.
Your view of the rapture is your view.
Its very biblical and first mentioned in Mathew 24.
It occurs on the Feast of Trumpets
Originally posted by kleverone
Well now the debate is who would you rather take religious advice from?
Metallica or Megadeath?
I'm going with Metallica!!!