Some questions about Dulce.

Yo, ppl.

I'm trying to write a novel or book or something about Dulce (partly involving the supposed base there), and I've got some questions. I know nothing is proven fact, but I'm not arrogant enough either to believe that MY opinion is necessarily the true one, so what I'm asking for here is your opinion about what the case is.

First of all, I've been reading up on the Dulce base on TinWiki (I know, not the most reliable source), which said that the reptilians (if they exist, naturally), are enemies of the greys and possible (future?) allies of ours. And then I've read in other places (cant exactly remember where, though) that the greys are a sort of creation, a slave-race, of the reptilians/draconians. So, I'm wondering what you people think, which one is the case?

Second, I'm wondering about the Dulce wars... Again, TinWiki's my source for now. It was said that US Special forces made an attack on the Dulce base. Some say it was Delta Force (I do believe Thomas Castello said this), but then I've read it was, quoting: "from the National Recon Group, the DELTA group, which is responsible for security of all alien connected projects", and then, said it refers to the DELTA group within Intelligence Supporting Activity (a covert US intelligence service). This isn't very important for the story I'm writing, but I would like to have a clear picture of it just the same.

That's all I have for now, but I might get back with more questions. I hope that, if I get this book written, it might just help to open up some eyes. If indeed...the base exists...

I just realized I put my foot in my mouth when I said TinWiki wasn't the most reliable source of information, considering it is sponsored by ATS. Oops. My apologies. It was the first time I used that one, and now I've even bookmarked it, heh.

i think a good person to ask for information on dulce would be john lear or Norio Hayakawa. they have their own sub forums under in the conspiracy masters category

I'll do that then. Thanks. I've always admired John Lear as a great man.

I recommend that you read Project Beta by Greg Bishop. It's the definitive study of Paul Bennewitz who is responsible for starting the story of the underground base at Dulce. In order to keep him away from the nearby military base he was encouraged to believe that there really was an alien base and provided with false information by the military.

Though Dulce is a good story, I'm sure you'll find that there is no truth to it. And I'm equally sure John Lear will tell you otherwise...

But a word of caution - remember what the disinformation agents did to Bennewitz - they literally drove him out of his mind!

Actually, John says Paul got the story from him.

Meh.

Just my 2 cent,
Lex

As Bennewitz is dead I suppose we'll never know the truth.

From what I understand Richard Doty, William Moore and John Lear were used to confirm, and no doubt add to, the story that Bennewitz was creating by his own imaginings.

Maybe towards the end nobody knew who was duping who...

Yeah, I've heard that Bennewitz was tricked, too. Really tragic story, and it makes me hate those bastards for treating people like that. Anyway, I'll definitely look up the book.

Still, I won't know for sure whether or not there is a base until I've actually been at Archuleta mesa myself (and since I live in Sweden and hate flying, I'll just have to keep guessing) I don't know if John Lear is right about Dulce, or if he's wrong. But either way I have to respect the man for being prepared to face the ridicule from skeptics for his beliefs. *Shrugs*. I guess one day we'll find out. Until then, as they say...better safe than sorry. Right?

David,

Have you seen this video? This guy appearently had is fingers blown in a fire fight with the greys at Dulce. The rumor is Phil was murdered by agents shortly after this video was made.

Phil Schneider video

Nah, I hadn't seen that one. Thanx. I'll watch it in the morning when I won't wake everyone else in the house from their sleep. By all accounts, a man who can waste two greys is a man of my liking.

This may be helpful, if nothing else pop some corn grab your favorite drink and kick back for an interesting read. toddjumper.com...

Benowitz made a diagram of the area (see Government Files, 1996). Follow the William English story; if possible ask Mr Stevens, Ret USAF Col. These are people in the know alive/deceased but acute to the the truth and, in my opinion, tell the truth.

Dallas

I lived about 50 miles from Dulce for 20 years, fished, camped, gambled in the Jicarilla Apache casino and had a few close friends from Dulce.
I personally never saw any evidence of a base except for some giant ventilation fans. I thought that maybe the fans had something to do with the oil and gas industry/extraction/refining/storage that is very prevalent on the Rez.

I have read most of the Benowitz, Schneider stuff but I never saw any evidence of the stuff they talked about. Of course it wasn't for public consumption anyway.

My high strangeness experiences occurred north in the San Luis Valley.

The best sources of information on the matter will probably be people who have lived there in the area and seen it first-hand.

Shattered OUT...

'Whaaa' have you posted your experiences anywhere on this site? I'd like to read them.
Of course the vents match up, but according to popular belief you should have seen many other strange things in that area considering you've been there for 20 years So that's a fairly big blow for the Dulce theory in my mind anyway. I guess 50 miles is a way off....but still, no lights in the sky? No black vans?

Originally posted by Lexion


[quote]Actually, John says Paul got the story from him.Meh.Just my 2 cent,
Lex




Untrue. As I have stated many times the story of Dulce (for me anyway) started at the small UFO conference at Crestone, Colorado in 1987. Tom Adams handed me a letter from Mr. X in Las Vegas which told about Dulce. Tom said if I had the time to investigate it. When I got back to Vegas where I lived I contacted Mr. X. He told me about Thomas Castello and gave me the pencil drawings of various places inside the base. He also gave me some text which was written by hand in pencil. The pencil drawing were drawn from looking at photos that Castello had. The hand written material was from documents Castello had. I copied the drawings in pen and ink and typed out the text and distributed what became known as the Dulce Papers to many of my friends.

Today, Sunday, May 13, I happened to be cleaning out some file cabinets and came across the original pencil drawings, the original text written in pencil and the original ink drawing that I made all in a file labeled "Dulce Papers".

A few months after I met Mr. X I drove to Albuquerque and met Paul Bennewitz. I stayed at his home for a few nights and he briefed me on what he knew. He have me the original X-ray showing the implant in Judy Doraty's neck. I also met Col. Ernie Edwards.

Later I drove up to Dulce and spent some time with Gabe Valdez. I went on a night patrol with Gabe (I think it was 10pm to 6am). Gabe was with the New Mexico Highway Patrol. He told be about what he knew about Dulce and the cattle mutilations on the Gomez ranch.

All of this happened in 1987 and 1988.

But no, I didn't give Paul the story, as a matter of fact he had already written Project Beta and had already given the interview to Jim McCampbell about the Doraty case before I ever met him.

John, I believe you. What a perfect place for an underground base. I mean, what is the population of Dulce? Like 26 or something? lol. Seriously though, no one goes there... even some guy from New York who is interested in the UFO phenomenon and the Dulce base is most likely not going to drive all the way out to the middle of nowhere to investigate.

I have a step-aunt and step-uncle (I guess that's what they technically are), anyways... who have lived in Santa Fe for many years. They used to come out here to California for Christmas dinners and things like that. And in my parent's eyes, they were always the "crazy ones who talked about the flying saucers they saw." Back then I would just go along with my parents, like yea they must just be some weirdos. But now that I am older I realize that where they live they most likely for sure have seen some crafts flying around. Santa Fe is somewhat north towards Dulce right? I went to military school in Roswell, New Mexico for 4 years, and even living in that town gave me the feeling there could be a secret base there lol, so surely there could easily be one underground at Dulce.

I still want to goto Dulce. I want to get a small team together that is willing to go campout somewhere near Archuleta Mesa. Who knows what we might see or encounter. What do you think about the idea John?

[edit on 14-5-2007 by Diplomat]

OK.
Whaaa, great and certainly seemingly very sincere. So, if I understand you correctly, you came across what appeared to air vents protruding from the ground? On or near Jicarilla Apache ?

Thanks for the sincere honesty Sir.

Dallas

Is it really necessary for an underground base like Dulce to have giant air vents? Can't they produce their own air down there if they have to, instead of putting out air vent shafts that can be spotted by anyone who cares to stop by? Seems a little stupid to me to reveal the presence of a base like that.

Not sure who your thoughts are directed to, but if they were to me, I'd suggest once again great thought. I suppose like and underwater 're-breather' type system mayhaps?

Dallas