America's death toll on the world: 27,000,000++, page 2

Originally posted by Vipassana
How can you say the deaths in the Iran-Iraq war were the responsibility of the US. Just because the US had a hand in weaponizing Iraq does not mean America is directly responsible for all the deaths in that particular war.

CIA is responsible for Hussein getting into power in the first place.

CIA is responsible for overthrowing Iran in 1953, to control the oil bar none, and the 1979 Iranain Revolution was the fallout of them retaking their government from US.
www.abovetopsecret.com...'

Then, one year later, there's the US's thug attacking Iran. Go figure. Regardless of if the US helped persuade Hussein to attack Iran, the CIA's imperialists actions altered the space-time-continum to cause those events.

(pet peeve rant)

To anyone stating that the USA saved the world in WW2, please, please, please, go do some research. The role of russia, in WW2. The role of the UK in WW2. The role of france in WW2..

Interesting facts. Taken from here - www.euronet.nl...

Population in 1939

UK 47.961.000
France 41.600.000
USSR 190.000.000
USA 132.122.000
Germany (including Austria) 76.008.000
Italy 44.223.000
Japan 71.400.000

Note, the US has almost three times as many people in 1939 as the US does.

Now, according to the BBC here - www.bbc.net.uk...

1939

* Hitler invades Poland on 1 September. Britain and France declare war on Germany two days later.

Two days.

Now, the US, obviously is biding their time on that whole saving the world thing.. They don't want to do it too early..

So they wait until Pearl harbor is attacked over TWO YEARS later to enter the war..

My biggest pet peeve as a Brit living in the US is the number of times I've had to hear "We saved your asses/the world in WW2!"..

It shows a remarkable ignorance of the major details of the war, including the fact that the war for the US started after everyone else had already been throwing resources and lives away for two years.. almost like, if you had a cross country race, and had two runners going for 6 miles.. but one of those swapped out for a fresh runner after the first two, that that was somehow not a factor in the outcome of the race. Not to mention the Russians and their massive role in keeping Hitler penned up..

It was an allied victory. Unlike most of the Americans I talk to, the war to them wasn't an immediate thing - whereas to me, and my family, both my grandparents, and all four of my mom's brothers fought in WW2.. My mom herself remembers bombs dropping as a toddler.. It was NOT an "American" victory. America did not save the world. They helped win a war, but so did millions of NON-americans.

According Answers.com here - wiki.answers.com...

Deaths in ww2
United States 292,000 soldiers
Great Britain lost 264,000 soldiers and 60,000 civilians in bombing raids.
France lost 200,000 soldiers and 400,000 civilians.
The Soviet Union lost the most with 25 million deaths, but only about a third were combat related.

What's that? The ally that 'won the war' lost only 28,000 more soldiers than the tiny little country with a third of it's population?..

Yeah. I could go on, but then I'd just be ranting...

Originally posted by zerotime
Approx 10 million? Where do you get that number? The article you link does not say anything of the sort. The vast majority of Native Americans died from diseases brought from Europeans and not from fighting. No one to this day knows how many Native Americans were on the continent when the Europeans started arriving.

IIB said:
So were they not the result of US expansion (imperialism)?

Do we need to get into how there are known cases of "US" giving them small pox infected blankets?

Estimates of how many people were living in the Americas when Columbus arrived have varied tremendously; 20th century scholarly estimates ranged from a low of 8.4 million to a high of 112.5 million persons. Given the fragmentary nature of the evidence, precise pre-Columbian population figures are impossible to obtain, and estimates are often produced by extrapolation from comparatively small bits of data.

I said Low Ball.

Here: take them off completely:
That makes 17,000,000++

See a difference? First I have to ask if you can completely comprehend the ramifications of millions dying with jus tmoments of thought. Psychology seems to say no:

Three groups of subjects considered three versions of the above question, asking them how high a tax increase they would accept to save 2,000, 20,000, or 200,000 birds. The response - known as Stated Willingness-To-Pay, or SWTP - had a mean of $80 for the 2,000-bird group, $78 for 20,000 birds, and $88 for 200,000 birds.
www.singinst.org...

[edit on 13-5-2007 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss]

No way we saved millions.

And after WWII we are not responsible due to the criminal government.
Hold on, things might turn around.

I heard this ad for a WaMu credit card and thought that knowing
who was on the grassy knoll and landed on the Moon were important.

A government that lies is bound to kill something.
No pain, no gain. Except they pain everyone else.

Courage, a profile that cause its not around.
We aren't the ones than need it. We just see the conspiracy.

From the Pool at Bethesda:
Pick up your mat and walk! You are now well.
But don't sin anymore or something worse might happen to you. - Jesus

UFO spies on the Vatican

How many death caused by the UFO, indirectly of course, by the
criminals that secret them.

Okay. Lets take number 2 on your list.

"Philippines: approx 1 million"

You could be correct but that number is the highest estimate.

Philippine military deaths are estimated at 20,000 with 16,000 actually counted, while civilian deaths numbered between 250,000 and 1,000,000 Filipinos.

The Philippine-American War Centennial Initiative gives an estimate of 510,000 civilian deaths, and 20,000 military deaths, excluding 100,000 deaths from the Moro Rebellion. en.wikipedia.org...

So far, after examining your first two points they both turned out to be incorrect or very high exaggerations.

I am sure I could continue down the list but honestly I am bored with the topic now. I think most readers will be able to figure out where they post is going.

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