America's death toll on the world: 27,000,000++

reply to post by InSpiteOf

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I agree with your view, here, in Argentina during the 70's, most army personnel trained in Escuela de las Americas:



here is the link to the info above
www.soaw.org...

here are some interesting links abour La Escuela de Las Americas

www.gwu.edu...

At that time South America was riddled with Dictatorships instigated by Kissinger.

If you all distrust this, I suggest you to inform yourselves reading Nunca Mas, by the CONADEP. It's available on pdf, in spanish. There you will know why there were 30000 "dissapearances" from 1976-1982.

in this link below, you'l find more information about how the empire strikes back

I'm from Argentina, I know what I'm speaking about, my very own parents grew up during the 70's


[edit on 4-5-2009 by youngandwilde]

reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

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Congratulation IgnoranceIsntBlisss! For having the guts to post this info. No doubt you're going to get a lot of heat as the truth hurts.

If there were more people like you, the world will be more informed and perhaps a better place.

Kudos to you!!!

Inannamute

I won't go that far as the Yanks saved your bacon in WWII because in the history that I have read it was really all the allies contributions as well as Hitler's blunders that lead to victory in Europe.I think that is another key point America was on the verge of fighting a fanatical Japan as well. The US was leaning heavily into isolationism,not to mention battling a not so behind the scenes pro nazi factions in the country in the 30's. Roosevelt did as much as he could before Pearl Harbor to assist Great Britain and France. not to even mention the failed coup attempt by a few big business men who picked the wrong military man to inform of their plans.In other words America had a lot of crap going on.

There is no denying England's contribution in all aspects of the WWII including the heroic efforts of M15, the leadership of Churchill,and the stoic defiance of ordinary citizens in the face of the Blitz. Unfortunately America was caught with it's military pants down,holding Neville Chamberlain's "Peace in our time" sheet of paper while the Nazi's blitzed through Poland. The Americans weren't alone France folded in a week much to the dismay of Churchill,no country was as prepared as they should have been.
Coming off the Great Depression it's not surprising American soldiers rarely trained with
real guns,having to use wooden guns and potatoes as hand grenades well into 1942.
Even then the Americans really didn't get their tactics and experience together until after Africa and Italy campaigns.

The Russian army was absolutely decimated of leadership by Stalin's paranoia in the 30's throw in his belief in the truce with Hitler. Stalin was paralyzed for days after Hitler invaded Russia. The size of the Russian country side and sheer volume and determination of the common foot soldier plus Comrade Winter is all that kept Germany from conquering Russia.

Though I wasn't alive during this pivotal time in the World's history I do believe it was our finest hour not just for the USA but every country and man and woman who stood against the truly imperialistic governments of Germany,Japan and Italy.

I believe all of us owe a little bit to that generation,because I find it hard to believe any of those axis governments would have even remotely allowed the discussion we are having in this thread. In other words Ignoranceisbliss you wouldn't have even had the chance to shout from the the mountain top your beliefs without the sacrifices of "the greatest generation"

sorry for the long post

Peace

You might as well blame the Spanish for 100 million deaths since they brought the diseases, so let take 9.5 million off the top here since we did have wars with them I’ll still say 500k.



Wow, do you just look for the biggest number and then say it is a fact? It actually says 20k dead with 16k counted with 200k from major cholera epidemic during that period.
So I can pull a number out of my butt too..lets say 50k to make everyone happy. That puts us at 550k now



Some more extremely inflated numbers…From your link it basically said 1.1 million military deaths and up to 2 million civilian deaths on both side. So how many of these deaths were from the 520k north army, 350k Chinese army, 350k Korean army.

Or did America kill them all….

We will take 1 million to put us at 1.55 million even though it was much lower, but I feel generous.



I can’t figure this one out… Pol Pot was a communist and fought for the north in Vietnam. He killed 2 million of the educated population in Laos to setup his own dictatorship/communist rule…even the Americans there were killed…

Hmm we will just let Pol Pot have all these.

We are still at 1.55 million



Ok whatever… It is suggested the CIA supported the coup so we get the bill of the 500k…is there anyone else involved in any of this or is America to blame for everything.

Another big zero here…and we are still at 1.55 million



Actually Iran’s army was superior to Iraq’s and so Iraq was going to lose rather easily to Iran, and because of this America supported Iraq to balance the powers…well they fought each other because they do not like each other… They didn’t need to fight, so this one is on them not us..
1.55 million still



10 years of no fly zones to protect them… this one is on Saddam

1.55 million still



Does any of this blame actually go on the country that did all the invading…just makes me laugh…



I agree…but in the defense of Kuwait...ok finally one that we actually were there and did..

1.635 million



I agree, but it was UN sanctions…

To make my number easier and make you happy 2 million



Well kind of… 100k from us and 500k from insurgents/religious differences. So that puts us at 2.1 million



Getting tired debating everyone of these, but due to your normal inflated numbers I’ll give ya 200k in all these (2x what was directly killed in the Iraq war by us) so even 10% of that number is closer to the real thing,
but hey…

2.3 million now



When we help its our fault…when we don’t help its our fault..this goes back to that just maybe the ones who did the fighting are the ones who did the killing…makes sense..

Plus Africa is one crazy place full of crazy people so they will kill each other with or without any help. They don’t care…no points here..



Lol, another whatever….so we supported Afghanistan in this…China supported North Vietnam, but no word from you on how many people were killed from their support, and in fact without their support the Vietnam war would had been over quickly and the south would had of won.

Blame Russia here.. you can also add it to the 250 million deaths from communism…

Oh BTW Russia built up Iran's army but still you want to give just us the bill for 800k deaths in the Iran/Iraq war..you my friend makes little sense in all these.


So where were we…2.3 million…

That is still a lot, but hey its been 250 years….



[edit on 5-5-2009 by Xtrozero]

reply to post by Xtrozero

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I do believe the numbers I cited were for American Imperialism, not European Imperialism.



The 'conservative' 600k estimates were my guess those put forth by US historians, whereas the million plus numbers are more 'outside the guilty box' based. In truth I doubt anyone will ever know the true total, thats why we're going on estimates.

And the disease deaths are irrelevent in your context. The fact is they're the result of American Imperialism, and in that case US forces engaged in ruthless scortched earth campaigns which help create the conditions to cause the diseases.



You're missing the whole point, like with your other examples: The deaths are the result of American Imperialism, not just the result of shots fired by US troops in particular. The people died or whatever due to US AI's effects on the space time continuum.

Pol Pot: Read Above.

Indonesia: Read Above.

Iraq-Iran War: Would you really like to get into an extensive debate about the timeline of "US Interests" of that period, which influenced the war?

Be sure to read my "Space Time Continuum" paragraph above, again.

Iraqi dead: Read the sentence above, and then consider that today the number of dead Iraqi's is well above one million.

Afghanistan 1.0: Recheck your history of US Imperialism's involvement in creating that conflict: LINK.


So with your new found insights in this matter please do redo your math and tell me where that brings us. I honestly dont have time, and if I did there are many other examples and happenings of more recent I now know about to make this an even more 'awesome' number. And then imagine if we began to factor in Economic Imperialism.

reply to post by Inannamute

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I find it amazing no one gave you a star for this one. It is a compelling argument that shows the truth about WWII. The UK and Russia carried the brunt of that war and the US is running away with the credit.