Himmlers Castle and the Safe, page 1

posted on Jan, 3 2004 @ 07:26 PM

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Yeah..

If somebody could tell..

I just yesterday watched this documentary, and in it this matter was dicussed.
(Unsolved Mysteries Of Ww2: #4)

1) What were the mysterious ceremonies performed in the castle crypt?

2) What became of the contents of Himmlers secret safe hidden deep in the castle vaults and removed by American special forces in 1945?

3) Where did these soldiers disappear after that?
(In the documentary they said that: 'after opening the safe these men dissappeared form history'..)

Now what does that mean?
Did they steal what was inside and disappeared with their loot,
Or did they find something so horrible/secret that they were made to disappear..?

5) What was in the safe?

Now, if somebody could educate me on the subject..
Or is this one of those secrets that nobody knows the truth, except some chosen few..

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Google will not help much on this..

somebody has to actually know..

And about the safe, there was at least documants there.. but about what? And maybe some gold?

[Edited on 3-1-2004 by FULCRUM]

Gothique

posted on Jan, 3 2004 @ 07:34 PM

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OK - from what I was told by my ex (who was a student specialising in German history), Himmler had a castle called Wewelsberg (sp), where he performed strange rituals.
He used to give a 'honour' ring to favoured members of the SS and had a shrine in his castle where the rings of 'fallen' SS officers were laid.
Thats as much as I can remember (I'm not exactly into history, but that interested me because of the occult link)

Attero Auctorita

posted on Jan, 3 2004 @ 07:52 PM

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I found a web page with some information on Himmler's Castle (aka Wewelsburg Castle). It seems that the castle's main purpose was a school for training members of the Nazi SS, and perhaps pagan rituals.

www.wwiirelics.com...

Here is some information on Himmler himself:
www.whitedragon.org.uk...

forum.axishistory.com...

[Edited on 3-1-2004 by Attero Auctorita]

FULCRUM

posted on Jan, 3 2004 @ 11:16 PM

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Himmler's Castle (aka Wewelsburg Castle).

That was the places name..

I know that..

Also:

This was the place in which they performed their weird and unknown rituals, and at this room it was supposed that those '12 nazi-knights of round table' would be buried..

Futhermore below this 'room' were 'a place' (tomb..) where Hitler was supposed to be buried..
(Which makes no sense really, as in the 'would be future' 'Hitlers Munich' there was already a place his tomb..)

And..

I really dont understand that why was this place rebuild..
As this was supposed to become 'the nazi vatican city'!

(They had mad plans to rebuild the whole location.. as such..)

Oh, and.. really none of my orginal guestons have been answered..

DiabolusFireDragon

posted on Jan, 4 2004 @ 02:18 AM

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SS General Hans Kammler oversaw Nazi antigravity & secret weapons research - he disappeared without a trace at the war's end. This fellow seems a little more interesting that Himmler. Check out a google search on him.

FULCRUM

posted on Jan, 4 2004 @ 03:42 AM

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Originally posted by DiabolusFireDragon
This fellow seems a little more interesting that Himmler.

lol,

Im not interested in this dead beat chicken farmer,

Im interested about the Castle and its safe and what was in the safe and what happened to the stuff..

Attero Auctorita

posted on Jan, 4 2004 @ 03:13 PM

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Let's face it, there are probably only a few people on earth today that know what was in the safe. The rest of people who even know that their was a safe in the Himmler's castle, can only speculate on what may have been inside.

Despite this, I found some information using google, about somebody who thinks or may actually know what was kept in the safe. Here is an excerpt from the website:

The remaining portions of the treasure, which had not been distributed or left
behind at Merkers, were transported to Heinrich Himmler's Wewelsburg fortress
near Paderborn. All of the Holy Relics, including the Emerald Cup, were
contained in this shipment. The priceless collection, with the exception of
the Cup, was buried deep beneath the castle wall. The exact hiding place has
never been precisely determined but it is believed to be somewhere under the
steep rocky slope which supports the great north tower of the castle and
plunges precipitously into the river valley below (see Ill. 45-46). According
to persistent rumors, at least a part of the treasure was sent to the
"Externsteine" where it was sealed off in one of the many grottoes which pock-
mark the great rock formation (see Ill. 38 and 47).

The Cup is believed to have been exhibited to Himmler's innermost circle of
senior Knights of the Holy Lance on several occasions. Between these rare
ceremonies the Emerald Cup and Himmler's duplicate Holy Lance were kept in a
large safe which was imbedded deep within the castle's thick walls. Only the
Reichsfuhrer had a key to the safe and its very existence was known only to
him and General Siegfried Taubert, the castle warden.
Near the end of the war, when Wewelsburg was overrun by American forces, on
April 2, 1945, the safe was blown open by soldiers of the U.S. 3rd Armored
Division. It was found to contain a large quantity of documents. These papers
promptly disappeared. It is unknown whether or not they contained information
about the Lance or the Cup or the Holy Relics of Solomon's Treasure.

So unless you have a time-travel machine, you will never know what exactly was in the safe and what was on the documents kept inside.

Heres the link:
www.mail-archive.com...@listserv.aol.com/msg05279.html

[Edited on 4-1-2004 by Attero Auctorita]

VanishingPoint

posted on Jan, 4 2004 @ 04:53 PM

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Hans Kammler escaped to either the US or South America through Project Paperclip, I'll bet that Himmler's stuff did so, too.

DeusEx

posted on Jan, 5 2004 @ 12:01 AM

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I've got a question... if those documents contained nothing of value, then why did they disappear? Perhaps the US saw value in these rituals... perhaps even use them to this day.

DE

DeltaNine

posted on Jan, 5 2004 @ 07:15 AM

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HAHAHAHA. Alright then, if you say so.

A lot of confiscated stuff was never seen of again. Its part of conquest.

More later. If I can be bothered.

FULCRUM

posted on Jan, 6 2004 @ 08:35 AM

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Originally posted by Attero Auctorita
It was found to contain a large quantity of documents. These papers
promptly disappeared.

Thanks,

Btw,

Its is this part that i quoted here that is the source of my interess to this matter.

What was so secret that it had to disapper?

FULCRUM

posted on Jan, 6 2004 @ 08:37 AM

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Originally posted by DeusEx
I've got a question... if those documents contained nothing of value, then why did they disappear? Perhaps the US saw value in these rituals... perhaps even use them to this day.

DE

There is many thing that support this theory, and it well may even be that nazis are the shadow government of USA.

THENEO

posted on Jan, 6 2004 @ 01:00 PM
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Since Germany was an instrumental force in early archeology especially in Egypt and the middle east the items hidden in this castle could be part of a long list.

It is known that Hitler had an obsession with the Holy Lance believing that it could give the person having it immortality of a sort. It may also be that the documents that disappeared may actually be books aka hidden knowledge for example the never found but reputed Egyptian 'book of the dead' and others.

Most likely the information was one of either or both:

Occultic and or alien in nature.

FULCRUM

posted on Jan, 6 2004 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by THENEO
Occultic and or alien in nature.

Thank you..

Also i have found this..

There has been concentrated efforts by 'allies' to hide any evidence about german nuclear weapons..

And also to take to their projects all that Germans did..

What is know how ever is:

Germans already had one Bomber modified to carry a nuclear weapon, of He 177 'Greif' type..
(There was a pic of this bomber in net.. but its removed now like most things of Israeli nuclear weapons also.. so..)

There was a German nuclear program calles Project Virus house..

www.fpp.co.uk...

"British and American Intelligence officers of the Alsos mission dismantle Prof. Heisenberg's last atomic pile, installed in a cave at Haigerloch."

Also Germans send uranium to Japan that was captured by US while in route..

Now why would Germas do that if they didnt know how and from what to make a bomb?

Also it is suggested that little boy and fat man were in fact captured German weapons..
(that would alos explain why they (Germans..) had already modified bomber(s) to carry such weapons.)

en.wikipedia.org...

" in May 1945, the US captured a U-boat heading for Japan with uranium oxide containing a fifth of the total U-235 needed to make one bomb. However, documents discovered in 2001 indicate that Japanese scientists were years away from completing their 20-kilotonne A-bomb. The captured German uranium may have contributed to what was needed for the US bombs.

www.globalsecurity.org...

There are indications that Japan had a more sizable program than is commonly understood, and that there was close cooperation among the Axis powers, including a secretive exchange of war materiel. The German submarine U-234, which surrendered to US forces in May 1945, was found to be carrying 560 kilograms of Uranium oxide destined for Japan's own atomic program. The oxide contained about 3.5 kilograms of the isotope U-235, which would have been about a fifth of the total U-235 needed to make one bomb. After Japan surrendered on 15 August 1945, the occupying US Army found five Japanese cyclotrons, which could be used to separate fissionable material from ordinary uranium. The Americans smashed the cyclotrons and dumped them into Tokyo Harbor.

So maybe there was also nuclear secrets in that safe or something?

Also maybe things that would incriminate some persons in west..

Like over the whole 'Rudolf Hess' thing, about which anything real isnt known.. else than it actually happened..

THENEO

posted on Jan, 6 2004 @ 02:03 PM
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Fulcrum,

some good info provided by you and all believable.

I think that the war would have ended differently if the US had not entered it and thrown everything they had at the Germans.

It is obvious that German Tech was in several areas better than the US had at the time.

then there is also Hitler's obsession with India and the middle earth/Tibet/Shambalah thing as well as reputed recovery of alien tech via crashed ufo's well before Roswell happened.

my theory is that the Nazi's located hidden knowledge due to their exploits in Egypt, the middle east and southeast asia as well as the Tibet connection and started to develop nuclear tech. This attracted alien attention (as Roswell did years later due to US nuke program, remember Roswell was the secret base to B52's carrying nukes), which resulted in a downed craft or two as it inevitably does (due to magnetic and atmospheric analomies such as weather, anti-grav tech is quite sporadic in earths atmosphere), and Nazi connection to the group which led to the Neu Schwabbenland (sp?).

DeltaNine

posted on Jan, 6 2004 @ 09:58 PM
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Now why would Germas do that if they didnt know how and from what to make a bomb?

Its well known they were actively persuing the Bomb. Theres no big secret or coverup behind it.

FULCRUM

posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by DeltaNine
Its well known they were actively persuing the Bomb. Theres no big secret or coverup behind it.

Yes there is..

No accurate details have ever been provided.

Also,

Like i said..

There has been claims that little boy and fatman were German weapons, not US.

TheDemonHunter

posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 07:55 PM
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WTF??? I just lost an entire posting of stuff I've been looking up for the last half-hour? It came up blank, except for the quote of TheNeo's post....

I'll have to fix this tomorrow. I need to get ready for work now....

[Edited on 1/7/2004 by TheDemonHunter]

Loki

posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 08:34 PM
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The most prime of them being that deep within the crypt, There were some seance-type rituals, and other less savory rituals, and to be completely honest, i'm giving the nod to human sacrifice.

as for the items within the safe, they were probably of a top secret nature, and confiscated by the gov't. The soldiers that found them prolly were killed by said gov't. well, that's all I can speculate on ATM. I g2g.

Brende

posted on Jan, 7 2004 @ 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by THENEO
Fulcrum,
my theory is that the Nazi's located hidden knowledge due to their exploits in Egypt, the middle east and southeast asia as well as the Tibet connection and started to develop nuclear tech. This attracted alien attention (as Roswell did years later due to US nuke program, remember Roswell was the secret base to B52's carrying nukes), which resulted in a downed craft or two as it inevitably does (due to magnetic and atmospheric analomies such as weather, anti-grav tech is quite sporadic in earths atmosphere), and Nazi connection to the group which led to the Neu Schwabbenland (sp?).

The B-52's didn't come around till the 50's, and Roswell crash was in 1947. Please try and remember your times. Perhaps you are thinking of the B-36?