Dept. of Homeland Security: "You'll get a National ID and you'll Like it"

Originally posted by Diplomat
I'm talking 100% proof. Like who makes up these governments? If they are real where are the member lists? What are the names and positions of every single person in these governments?

There is no such thing, you guys are just paranoid...

They wouldn't be very secret or "shadow" if these lists existed, now would they? Perhaps the CIA and the Mossad don't exist either. Please, provide me a list of everyone in their employ, and then mabye I'll consider their existence a possibility. But then it would only be a list, not the 100% proof you seek. Perhaps if I could dig up the document detailing their whole nefarious plot from begining to end and signed by all those involved? "Our Master Plan" by the NWO. Gimme a break man...

I wonder how many German jews would have lived had they paid the attention to the warning signs all around them. But I suppose it was easier to think such a horrible thing wasn't possible; after all there was no "proof".

National I.D. cards required for air travel?! Now is that to keep people out or to keep them in? Go ahead, tell me that's not even slightly fascist. Perhaps I AM paranoid, but I'll say this: There is no way in hell I'll be chipped, there is no way in hell I'll go to a "camp", and I will die horribly and free.

Originally posted by Watchful1
My question is would you get an RFID chip in your arm if it meant during an invasion or Martial Law UGCV's could identify you as friendly and would not shoot?

www.globalsecurity.org... on-swords-02.jpg

Hmmm....interesting thought.

Now my question is would you get an RFID chip in your arm if it meant UGCV's could identify you as unfriendly and shoot you?

Same logic, no?

[edit on 14-5-2007 by Orwells Ghost]

Originally posted by jsobecky

Originally posted by rm8471
In truth, if I have a duly issued driver's license, my social security card, and my birth certificate, that should be enough, and yet they are saying that without the Federal ID I will not be able to enter Federal buildings, leave the country and return, or get on airplans.

Any one of those documents can currently be duplicated or stolen, so they are insecure. This is the primary purpose a National ID is being pushed.

And a National ID would be so much less likely to be duplicated or stolen than a state ID that is equally counterfeit proof because. . . ?

Man I'll just kick that thing over and smash it up with a sledge hammer. It is not very "quick on its feet" if you know what I mean.

Everyone needs t grow some balls. Why sit there and just get shot if you refuse to take a mark? Grab the nearest person under the evil authority and use him as a shield to kill the rest. They are the EVIL ones, they must not be shown mercy. They are trying t kill you or enslave you, dont jus6t accept "getting shot" or "beheaded". Take as many of them as you can with you in that last moment.

If others can see that some people are still not afraid, they could rise up in mass numbers and scratch the evil ones from existence. You do not just stand there and say kill me, you are supposed to fight demons incarante with every last breath.

Frankly, I think the majority of you are just crazy now, for I do not see how a National ID is anything different than a state id, except that it is valid anywhere in the country without the need to renew or get a new one when you move. And as I said, if the card has a chip, FRY IT!!!!!

I have a serious question here.




I hope people will answer this.



What do we do?




We don’t want this so what do we do?

Originally posted by DYepes
Man I'll just kick that thing over and smash it up with a sledge hammer. It is not very "quick on its feet" if you know what I mean.

Go ahead and try, I bet the men with automatic weapons escorting that thing might have something to say about that!

Originally posted by DYepes
Frankly, I think the majority of you are just crazy now, for I do not see how a National ID is anything different than a state id, except that it is valid anywhere in the country without the need to renew or get a new one when you move.

The difference is with a national ID the feds will have everyone's info in one database. More information --> more control.

And as has been pointed out on this thread numerous times, there is no demonstrated need for national IDs.

Stop illegal immigration? You think the goons running this country will actually put a stop to the abundance of cheap labor? This country's economy is being held together by 2 things, both of which act to keep the cost of goods artificially low: (1) WalMart, and (2) illegal Mexican and Central & South American labor. Getting rid of illegal immigration is bad for business - therefore, it won't seriously happen. Any politician who tells you otherwise is selling something (like national ID cards).

Originally posted by Shar
What do we do?

Write your representative and senators. Get others to do the same. Write letters to your local newspapers. Inform yourself on candidates' positions on this and related issues, and speak with your vote in 2008. Lobby your state government to oppose this - many already do, if yours is one of them then let them know they speak for you, too!


Maybe don't take to the streets in armed protest.


At least not yet.

Originally posted by NineSquared
And a National ID would be so much less likely to be duplicated or stolen than a state ID that is equally counterfeit proof because. . . ?

State ID's are not counterfeit-proof.

And the way the National ID's would be made non-counterfeitable would be by design:

The key provisions
Under the rules being considered, states would have to follow these steps before granting a driver's license:

-- Require proof of citizenship or legal presence.

-- Require an address.

-- Require a Social Security number.

-- Check the legal status of noncitizens against a national immigration database and save copies of any documents shown.

-- Store a digital image of the face of each applicant.

-- Include the driver's address and a digital photograph on the license.

-- Use technology designed to prevent counterfeits.

States still could give licenses to illegal immigrants, but they would have different designs or colors to alert security officers that they are unacceptable as IDs for boarding planes or entering federal buildings.

www.sfgate.com.../c/a/2005/05/03/MNG4ECJ4UH1.DTL

The difference is with a national ID the feds will have everyone's info in one database. More information --> more control.

Not necessarily. The act would provide for better linking of existing databases, however. For example, each state would store a digital image of a licensee's photograph in their own state database. If I, as a fed, have access to every state's database, there is no inherent advantage to make and maintain my own master database.

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If you're not doing anything wrong, what's the problem?

Originally posted by Mekanic
If you're not doing anything wrong, what's the problem?

Well the fact that right and wrong tend to be subjective terms is the real problem.

Personally I don't consider anything wrong unless you are non-consensually
interfering with another, but the government, and many people do not agree on that.

I think to some people fear that they will no longer have any privacy, which you should
have if you're in your own home, though you should'nt expect full privacy in public.

Originally posted by jsobecky
State ID's are not counterfeit-proof.

And the way the National ID's would be made non-counterfeitable would be by design:

But state IDs could be made just as non-counterfeitable as a national ID, without a national database. The provisions you quoted seem like they could be accomplished just as effectively w/o a national database or national ID. I just don't see the need, and if there's no need, why do it? Not to mention the whole unfunded mandate issue.

Originally posted by jsobecky
If I, as a fed, have access to every state's database, there is no inherent advantage to make and maintain my own master database.

A valid point.

Originally posted by

I am not sure where many of you are getting that the National ID Act ONLY prohibits a person from entering a federal building or taking a flight. You need to go back and reread the act if this is what you think. What the Act states is that a person who refuses to receive this card becomes a non-person to the Federal Government, basically a non-citizen. You will lose all the rights granted to you as a citizen of this country. You will be unable to:
1)Pay Federal Income Taxes, and thus hold down a decent job.
2)Pay your property Taxes, and thus own a house.
2)Drive a vehicle, and thus get to work.
3)Access your Bank account, thus cash a check or pay your bills.
4)Enter any Federal property.
5)Use any mass transit systems.
6)Receive any Federal Assistance for anything.
7)Be protected under Federal Documents such as the Constitution.

So you are basically screwed survival wise unless you don’t mind living on the street as a homeless person, or in the wilds like friggen Tarzan. Then its only until they find you living on some public government land, at which point you’ll go to jail with none of the protections granted to a normal citizen of this country.

Originally posted by Mekanic
If you're not doing anything wrong, what's the problem?

Some folks have issue with the invasion of privacy it entails. Some folks are intelligent enough to realize that once you allow the government to take this step, they will make a grab for the next one, and next one until this is a police state (all government always attempts to exceed and abuse any power given to it). Folks, like myself, have a religious issue with it as it either is, or is very similar to the “mark”.

I talked to my bank about this the other day and they hushed on it fast.

They said they were not allowed to talk about it.

Basically, when the time comes if your money is locked up in ANY BANK ACCOUNT YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO GET IT.

That goes for any and all your savings, bonds, cds, whatever you think you have you won't have.

Does everyone understand this?

Originally posted by Shar
I talked to my bank about this the other day and they hushed on it fast.

They said they were not allowed to talk about it.

Basically, when the time comes if your money is locked up in ANY BANK ACCOUNT YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO GET IT.

That goes for any and all your savings, bonds, cds, whatever you think you have you won't have.

Does everyone understand this?

Apparently not, Shar, because there are still people, even in this thread who do not see or will not understand the implications of what this national id card entails. I for one will be very sure that if/when this card becomes the law of land, I have all of my cash and other fiduciary items out of my bank's control.

A national id system is good for one thing and one thing only, controlling the lives of the citizens of the USA, for any other purpose it is either unnecessay or superfluous.

Allow me to do you all a favor and post the REAL ID ACT of 2005 which is contained within the "Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, 2005’’ (page 82-86)of which the government is my source. I am going to post the whole part which is relevant to this topic and may take a a couple of posts, but I feel is relevant because people are just blurting stuff out without actually reviewing this act.

Here it goes:

TITLE II—IMPROVED SECURITY FOR
DRIVERS’ LICENSES AND PERSONAL
IDENTIFICATION CARDS
SEC. 201. DEFINITIONS.
In this title, the following definitions apply:
49 USC 30301
note.
8 USC 1252 note.
8 USC 1252 note.
Applicability.
8 USC 1252 note.
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119 STAT. 312 PUBLIC LAW 109–13—MAY 11, 2005
(1) DRIVER’S LICENSE.—The term ‘‘driver’s license’’ means
a motor vehicle operator’s license, as defined in section 30301
of title 49, United States Code.
(2) IDENTIFICATION CARD.—The term ‘‘identification card’’
means a personal identification card, as defined in section
1028(d) of title 18, United States Code, issued by a State.
(3) OFFICIAL PURPOSE.—The term ‘‘official purpose’’ includes
but is not limited to accessing Federal facilities, boarding federally
regulated commercial aircraft, entering nuclear power
plants, and any other purposes that the Secretary shall determine.
(4) SECRETARY.—The term ‘‘Secretary’’ means the Secretary
of Homeland Security.
(5) STATE.—The term ‘‘State’’ means a State of the United
States, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands,
Guam, American Samoa, the Northern Mariana Islands, the
Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, and any other territory
or possession of the United States.
SEC. 202. MINIMUM DOCUMENT REQUIREMENTS AND ISSUANCE
STANDARDS FOR FEDERAL RECOGNITION.
(a) MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR FEDERAL USE.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—Beginning 3 years after the date of the
enactment of this division, a Federal agency may not accept,
for any official purpose, a driver’s license or identification card
issued by a State to any person unless the State is meeting
the requirements of this section.
(2) STATE CERTIFICATIONS.—The Secretary shall determine
whether a State is meeting the requirements of this section
based on certifications made by the State to the Secretary.
Such certifications shall be made at such times and in such
manner as the Secretary, in consultation with the Secretary
of Transportation, may prescribe by regulation.
(b) MINIMUM DOCUMENT REQUIREMENTS.—To meet the requirements
of this section, a State shall include, at a minimum, the
following information and features on each driver’s license and
identification card issued to a person by the State:
(1) The person’s full legal name.
(2) The person’s date of birth.
(3) The person’s gender.
(4) The person’s driver’s license or identification card
number.
(5) A digital photograph of the person.
(6) The person’s address of principle residence.
(7) The person’s signature.
(8) Physical security features designed to prevent tampering,
counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for
fraudulent purposes.
(9) A common machine-readable technology, with defined
minimum data elements.
(c) MINIMUM ISSUANCE STANDARDS.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—To meet the requirements of this section,
a State shall require, at a minimum, presentation and
verification of the following information before issuing a driver’s
license or identification card to a person:
Effective date.
49 USC 30301
note.
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PUBLIC LAW 109–13—MAY 11, 2005 119 STAT. 313
(A) A photo identity document, except that a nonphoto
identity document is acceptable if it includes both
the person’s full legal name and date of birth.
(B) Documentation showing the person’s date of birth.
(C) Proof of the person’s social security account number
or verification that the person is not eligible for a social
security account number.
(D) Documentation showing the person’s name and
address of principal residence.
(2) SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS.—
(A) IN GENERAL.—To meet the requirements of this
section, a State shall comply with the minimum standards
of this paragraph.
(B) EVIDENCE OF LAWFUL STATUS.—A State shall
require, before issuing a driver’s license or identification
card to a person, valid documentary evidence that the
person—
(i) is a citizen or national of the United States;
(ii) is an alien lawfully admitted for permanent
or temporary residence in the United States;
(iii) has conditional permanent resident status in
the United States;
(iv) has an approved application for asylum in
the United States or has entered into the United States
in refugee status;
(v) has a valid, unexpired nonimmigrant visa or
nonimmigrant visa status for entry into the United
States;
(vi) has a pending application for asylum in the
United States;
(vii) has a pending or approved application for
temporary protected status in the United States;
(viii) has approved deferred action status; or
(ix) has a pending application for adjustment of
status to that of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent
residence in the United States or conditional
permanent resident status in the United States.

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(C) TEMPORARY DRIVERS’ LICENSES AND IDENTIFICATION
CARDS.—
(i) IN GENERAL.—If a person presents evidence
under any of clauses (v) through (ix) of subparagraph
(B), the State may only issue a temporary driver’s
license or temporary identification card to the person.
(ii) EXPIRATION DATE.—A temporary driver’s
license or temporary identification card issued pursuant
to this subparagraph shall be valid only during
the period of time of the applicant’s authorized stay
in the United States or, if there is no definite end
to the period of authorized stay, a period of one year.
(iii) DISPLAY OF EXPIRATION DATE.—A temporary
driver’s license or temporary identification card issued
pursuant to this subparagraph shall clearly indicate
that it is temporary and shall state the date on which
it expires.
(iv) RENEWAL.—A temporary driver’s license or
temporary identification card issued pursuant to this
subparagraph may be renewed only upon presentation
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119 STAT. 314 PUBLIC LAW 109–13—MAY 11, 2005
of valid documentary evidence that the status by which
the applicant qualified for the temporary driver’s
license or temporary identification card has been
extended by the Secretary of Homeland Security.
(3) VERIFICATION OF DOCUMENTS.—To meet the requirements
of this section, a State shall implement the following
procedures:
(A) Before issuing a driver’s license or identification
card to a person, the State shall verify, with the issuing
agency, the issuance, validity, and completeness of each
document required to be presented by the person under
paragraph (1) or (2).
(B) The State shall not accept any foreign document,
other than an official passport, to satisfy a requirement
of paragraph (1) or (2).
(C) Not later than September 11, 2005, the State shall
enter into a memorandum of understanding with the Secretary
of Homeland Security to routinely utilize the automated
system known as Systematic Alien Verification for
Entitlements, as provided for by section 404 of the Illegal
Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of
1996 (110 Stat. 3009–664), to verify the legal presence
status of a person, other than a United States citizen,
applying for a driver’s license or identification card.
(d) OTHER REQUIREMENTS.—To meet the requirements of this
section, a State shall adopt the following practices in the issuance
of drivers’ licenses and identification cards:
(1) Employ technology to capture digital images of identity
source documents so that the images can be retained in electronic
storage in a transferable format.
(2) Retain paper copies of source documents for a minimum
of 7 years or images of source documents presented for a
minimum of 10 years.
(3) Subject each person applying for a driver’s license or
identification card to mandatory facial image capture.
(4) Establish an effective procedure to confirm or verify
a renewing applicant’s information.
(5) Confirm with the Social Security Administration a social
security account number presented by a person using the full
social security account number. In the event that a social
security account number is already registered to or associated
with another person to which any State has issued a driver’s
license or identification card, the State shall resolve the discrepancy
and take appropriate action.
(6) Refuse to issue a driver’s license or identification card
to a person holding a driver’s license issued by another State
without confirmation that the person is terminating or has
terminated the driver’s license.
(7) Ensure the physical security of locations where drivers’
licenses and identification cards are produced and the security
of document materials and papers from which drivers’ licenses
and identification cards are produced.
(8) Subject all persons authorized to manufacture or
produce drivers’ licenses and identification cards to appropriate
security clearance requirements.
Deadline.
Memorandum.
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PUBLIC LAW 109–13—MAY 11, 2005 119 STAT. 315
(9) Establish fraudulent document recognition training programs
for appropriate employees engaged in the issuance of
drivers’ licenses and identification cards.
(10) Limit the period of validity of all driver’s licenses
and identification cards that are not temporary to a period
that does not exceed 8 years.
(11) In any case in which the State issues a driver’s license
or identification card that does not satisfy the requirements
of this section, ensure that such license or identification card—
(A) clearly states on its face that it may not be accepted
by any Federal agency for federal identification or any
other official purpose; and
(B) uses a unique design or color indicator to alert
Federal agency and other law enforcement personnel that
it may not be accepted for any such purpose.
(12) Provide electronic access to all other States to information
contained in the motor vehicle database of the State.
(13) Maintain a State motor vehicle database that contains,
at a minimum—
(A) all data fields printed on drivers’ licenses and
identification cards issued by the State; and
(B) motor vehicle drivers’ histories, including motor
vehicle violations, suspensions, and points on licenses.
SEC. 203. TRAFFICKING IN AUTHENTICATION FEATURES FOR USE IN
FALSE IDENTIFICATION DOCUMENTS.
(a) CRIMINAL PENALTY.—Section 1028(a)(8) of title 18, United
States Code, is amended by striking ‘‘false authentication features’’
and inserting ‘‘false or actual authentication features’’.
(b) USE OF FALSE DRIVER’S LICENSE AT AIRPORTS.—
(1) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary shall enter, into the appropriate
aviation security screening database, appropriate
information regarding any person convicted of using a false
driver’s license at an airport (as such term is defined in section
40102 of title 49, United States Code).
(2) FALSE DEFINED.—In this subsection, the term ‘‘false’’
has the same meaning such term has under section 1028(d)
of title 18, United States Code.
SEC. 204. GRANTS TO STATES.
(a) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary may make grants to a State
to assist the State in conforming to the minimum standards set
forth in this title.
(b) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.—There are authorized
to be appropriated to the Secretary for each of the fiscal years
2005 through 2009 such sums as may be necessary to carry out
this title.
SEC. 205. AUTHORITY.
(a) PARTICIPATION OF SECRETARY OF TRANSPORTATION AND
STATES.—All authority to issue regulations, set standards, and issue
grants under this title shall be carried out by the Secretary, in
consultation with the Secretary of Transportation and the States.
(b) EXTENSIONS OF DEADLINES.—The Secretary may grant to
a State an extension of time to meet the requirements of section
202(a)(1) if the State provides adequate justification for noncompliance.
49 USC 30301
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49 USC 30301
note.
49 USC 30301
note.
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119 STAT. 316 PUBLIC LAW 109–13—MAY 11, 2005
SEC. 206. REPEAL.
Section 7212 of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention
Act of 2004 (Public Law 108–458) is repealed.
SEC. 207. LIMITATION ON STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION.
Nothing in this title shall be construed to affect the authorities
or responsibilities of the Secretary of Transportation or the States
under chapter 303 of title 49, United States Code.

Now please, if you find anything questionable within this act, extract it in bold into one of your posts, and we shall discuss it piece by piece.

[edit on 5/14/2007 by DYepes]

With all the allegations over this thing being flung about, I was curious about what the law actually required, so I did some hunting around. Here's what I've been able to find thus far.


The basics of the driver's license portion of the Real ID Act, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. A 03/01/07 press conference of Michael Chertoff seems to confirm this.

Here are some excerpts from DHS's proposed regulations on the Real ID-compliant state DL's. It's heavy reading but worth skimming over for anyone interested in the issue.

DHS proposes to issue REAL ID regulations that create minimum standards for State driver's licenses and identification cards that Federal agencies can accept for official purposes on or after May 11, 2008. Under this proposal, States must certify that they are in compliance with these requirements, and DHS must concur, before the driver's licenses and identification cards that the States issue may be accepted by Federal agencies for official purposes on or after May 11, 2008. Because DHS recognizes that not all driver's licenses and identification cards can be reissued by May 11, 2008, the proposal provides a five-year phase-in period for driver's license or identification card renewals. All driver's licenses and identification cards that are intended to be accepted for official purposes as defined in these regulations must be REAL ID licenses and identification cards
by May 11, 2013/

The magic words seem to be "official purposes." What the heck does that mean?

Section 201(3) of the Act provides that the term ``official purpose'' ``includes but is not limited to accessing Federal facilities, boarding Federally-regulated commercial aircraft, entering nuclear power plants, and any other purposes that the Secretary shall determine.'' DHS proposes to limit the regulatory definition of ``official purpose'' at this time, to those purposes expressly stated in the Act--accessing Federal facilities, boarding commercial aircraft, and entering nuclear power plants.

So far so good, right? Well, just wait:

DHS considered including the acquisition of Federally-issued identification documents, such as a Transportation Worker Identification Card (TWIC), military Common Access Card (CAC), passport, or PASSport card within the proposed definition of ``official purpose.'' To do so would be consistent with the concept of strengthening the reliability of identity documents, one of the primary objectives of the Act. However, since no State would be required to have all of its citizens possess Real ID driver's licenses and identification cards until May 2013, DHS concluded that it would be premature to require Federal agencies to accept only Real ID driver's licenses and identification cards during the phase-in period and that the imposition of such a requirement could inhibit individuals from obtaining these necessary forms of Federal identification.

The Act does not require any State to issue REAL ID driver's licenses and identification cards. States may choose to issue driver's licenses and identification cards that cannot be accepted by Federal agencies for official purposes.

Just as states don't HAVE to raise the drinking age to 21, but they do if they want federal highway funding.

CONTINUED

CONTINUED FROM ABOVE


The feds are even nice enough to allow the states to give us a choice:

DHS anticipates that States will offer an alternative DL/ID (not acceptable for Federal official purposes) to those who are unwilling or unable to obtain a compliant one. Thus, this Regulatory Evaluation assumes that States will deploy a two-tier or multi-tier licensing system. States instead may choose to issue only REAL ID compliant driver's licenses and identification cards, thereby reducing their operational and system costs.

So you won't be required to have one for banking, right? Depends on your bank:

The primary benefit of REAL ID is to improve the security and lessen the vulnerability of federal buildings, nuclear facilities, and aircraft to terrorist attack. The rule would give states, local governments, or private sector entities an option to choose to require the use of REAL IDs for activities beyond the official purposes defined in this regulation.

College? State professional licensing? Ordering drinks at a bar? Maybe not that last, since it goes beyond the stated purpose of allowing private entities to require these ID's. But take it to court and get the wrong judge....



In the interest of fairness, there's also some info on DHS's Q&A page allaying some of the fears mentioned in this thread:

Is this a National ID card?

No. The proposed regulations establish common standards for States to issue licenses. The Federal Government is not issuing the licenses, is not collecting information about license holders, and is not requiring States to transmit license holder information to the Federal Government that the Government does not already have (such as a Social Security Number). Most States already routinely collect the information required by the Act and the proposed regulations.

Will a national database be created that stores information about every applicant?

No. The REAL ID Act and these regulations do not establish a national database of driver information. States will continue to collect and store information about applicants as they do today. The NPRM does not propose to change this practice and would not give the Federal government any greater access to this information.

Do the proposed regulations require States to collect fingerprints or iris images from drivers?

No. Though States may independently choose to implement biometrics into their driver’s license process, the NPRM does not require a State to collect fingerprints, iris images, or other biometric data in connection with obtaining a license and has no plans to serve as a repository for the face images the states will collect.

Will REAL ID driver’s licenses include RFID cards?

The NPRM does not specify the use of RFID cards as a minimum standard. States may independently choose to implement an RFID solution, in addition to the standard 2-D barcode, to meet their constituent’s needs.

Based on the above info, it doesn't look as bad as some people are saying, at least not yet. Of course, if you buy into the "soften them up first" argument, then what's on the plate now will in time not seem like a big deal, so when they insert a provision in an emergency spending bill in 2016 saying the states need RFID, it won't seem to be as big a step.

Hope this info was helpful and informative.

Well, one encouraring thing is, this country is now awake. Ats is awake.
We're all awake now.
I am glad i had the wisdom to see this coming years ago. I forgive all those who called those of us with the "knowing" crazy.

Now what?

Dyepes,

Yeah, so what is your point. I for one already knew this.

Do you understand though that you will not be allowed to go to a bank without this? As well as go into a federal building of any kind.

I’m not going to go through with what your not going to be able to do. As it’s been talked about plenty.

Some people such as myself don’t even have a physical address. What are we suppose to give for that? I travel with my husband we stay in hotels or an executive type of home for a few months. My address is a post office box.

I just don’t like this idea at all. They are forcing this down are throats the way they have done everything else.

Without this card you will not be able to get anything out of your own bank. Another way of force. The list goes on and on.

Signed into law in May 2005 without meaningful debate, the Real ID Act states that drivers licenses will only be accepted for "federal purposes"—like accessing planes, trains, national parks, and court houses—if they conform to certain uniform standards. The law also requires a vast national database linking all of the ID records together. Once the IDs and database are in place, their uses will inevitably expand to facilitate a wide range of surveillance activities. Remember, the Social Security number started innocuously enough, but it has become a prerequisite for a host of government services and been coopted by private companies to create massive databases of personal information. A national ID poses similar dangers; for example, because "common machine-readable technology" will be required on every ID, the government and businesses will be able to easily read your private information off the cards in myriad contexts.

Real ID won't just cost you your privacy. The federal government didn't give the states funds to implement the law and overcome its many administrative burdens, so the billions of dollars in costs will be passed down to you in the form of increased DMV fees or taxes.

www.eff.org...

EPIC, 24 Experts Call for Repeal of Unworkable REAL ID Act. Today, EPIC and 24 experts in privacy and technology submitted comments (pdf) on the Department of Homeland Security's draft implementation regulations for the REAL ID Act. The group warned the federal agency not to go forward with the REAL ID proposal. The group said that the ill-conceived plan would create new security risks for the American public, such as increasing the risk of and the damage caused by identity theft. Creating a national ID database full of personal documents such as birth and citizenship certificates, making that database accessible to thousands of people, while not requiring adequate security and privacy safeguards, will necessarily make us less secure as a nation and as individuals. "DHS has the obligation to protect the privacy of citizens affected by this system and must do more than the feeble attempts set out in the draft regulations," the group said. (May 8)

Theres a lot of information in this link below.

www.epic.org...

In addition, the federal Social Security Administration, (42 U.S.C. § 666(28)), requires the States to maintain a new hire directory. Employers would no longer be able to accept, or ultimately hire, bearers of non-compliant documents for employment.
Also, financial institutions are required to assist the Federal Parent Locator Service, ((42 U.S.C. § 666(17)). Financial institutions would require compliant documents from all customers. Bearers of non-compliant documents would be denied financial or banking services.

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The 19 terrorists who murdered almost 3,000 Americans on September 11, 2001, had dozens of state-issued driver's licenses and identification cards. They used these IDs to board the airplanes they turned into weapons as well as to rent cars and apartments, open bank accounts, take flying lessons, and otherwise blend into American society while they planned their attacks.

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Also in my Opinion this is a step closer before they put the same information in their tiny rice size chip and put into your hand.

Since they have seen it worked around our country by punishing the states if they don’t do it, they will then punish the person. Example: No buying food, clothing, etc…..





[edit on 15-5-2007 by Shar]