Dept. of Homeland Security: "You'll get a National ID and you'll Like it", page 5
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reply posted on 12-5-2007 @ 09:59 AM by tyranny22



reply posted on 12-5-2007 @ 12:23 PM by Stormrider
Originally posted by teleonaut
Originally posted by Stormrider
Now, however, they are ready to start beta testing the chip and probably can have FDA approval for a full rollout by next year.


I take issue with that statement. The article on which you based that comment is nearly six years old -- the date on it says June 14, 2001. So it is misleading to suggest that "now" beta testing is about to begin. It appears as if you are saying this will happen this summer, which is, according to your source, not true. That article was followed up two days later by
this article, which essentially stated that the implants were not being pursued.

Do you have a more recent source to suggest they are moving forward with human implantation of these devices?

/tn.


Yeah, sorry about that. The google reference page showed it updated May 11, 2007 and the date of May 14, 2007 was posted at the top of the article; somehow I overlooked the dateline. No worries, though, because they haven't abandoned their program of human implementation. Here's an article about the Digital Angel strategy that was written in 2002 and shows that chipping was already underway:

The people business model is based, according to Applied Digital, on Digital Angel's HomeAgain animal identification system. Vets and animal shelters were given free scanners, and there you go, some kind of critical mass brewing. It's also significant that three of the company's execs have been chipped, not because they have any ailments (not disclosed ones, anyway), but because they wanted "to demonstrate to the world our complete confidence in the success of this exciting, life-enhancing technology."

So although vertical markets are being targeted initially, really they want people to accept it as natural on the basis that's it's entirely positive, and everybody should have it done. The security potential is substantial, and the privacy issues come clanking along behind. It'd sure as hell be a pretty good way of expediting airline ticketing in these security-conscious days, and once we were on that particular slippery slope. You could chip the military, Saddam could chip his whole cabinet, inhabitants of secure communities could voluntarily chip themselves... First people injected with ID chips


There are also some very interesting bits of information included in their 2007 first quarter earnings report

Here's a story from 2004 detailing the Deal forged to equip VeriChip with GPS Verichip, Verisign & Digital Angel are all subsidiary companies of the same corporation, Applied Digital.

Here's another story from 2004 explaining that Digital Angel's chip cleared for use in humans

This one is more recent and reports on a Interfaith Prayer Vigil to Protest MicroChipping of Alzheimer's Patients taking place in Florida today.

Let's face it, the Digital Angel and Verichip implants have been used to track livestock, fish and even a few company personnel for several years now. They have failed to market the implant to the average person on the street for obvious reasons; the government is in love with the technology and ihas already given the go-ahead to incorporate GPS and satellite tracking technolgy with the digital angel and verichip products; and they are gearing up to use the implant in military personnel. How long before being "chipped" or "implanted" becomes mandatory for you and me? If they can get away with injecting tracking chips into 200 Alzheimers patients, what makes you think they can't get away with doing the same to you, without your knowledge, say while getting your routine flu vaccination or your childs booster shots? Putting RFID chips in drivers licenses and credit cards is just the beginning.


reply posted on 12-5-2007 @ 12:34 PM by Maverickhunter
Originally posted by Diplomat
I don't understand how you people talk about this secret NWO government like it is just fact and common knowledge or something. The Department of Homeland Security wants to have national ID cards, so you guys then automatically assume it is some secret world government that is really behind the idea?

There isn't even any real proof of an NWO or an Illuminati or whatever you guys want to call it. The only people who will tell you there is proof are conspiracy theorists. Do you really believe that if there was enough proof and evidence of these "secret governments" that millions of non-conspiracy theorists wouldn't also be outraged and talking about it?

Any time someone is asked to officialy PROVE that there is some kind of secret shadow government that is "really pulling the strings," they never can. And I don't mean give your little theories backed up by a few weblinks to conspiracy-related websites. I'm talking 100% proof. Like who makes up these governments? If they are real where are the member lists? What are the names and positions of every single person in these governments?

There is no such thing, you guys are just paranoid...

[edit on 11-5-2007 by Diplomat]

I disagree.. George H Bush used the phrase "new world order" in one of his speeches and the term the New World Order was created after the Communists started to try to protect their power base. They wanted world global control and wanted to plot the downfall of the US in order to protect their natural security. The term has been in use for a long time, actually. Do a search for "new world order" on google and then search for "george H Bush" and then you'll see a lot of speeches about the first gulf war. DO SOME RESEARCH BEFORE YOU CALL US PARANOID.


reply posted on 12-5-2007 @ 12:43 PM by NineSquared
Awesome thread! I saw it late last night when my son woke up but didn't get a chance to reply until now. Anyway, when I read the WaPo article, the thing that freaked me out the most was this line, which in the article is almost a throwaway:



Real ID legislation was tacked onto a 2005 emergency spending bill by House Republicans, without Senate debate, and signed by President Bush. The bill's passage cut short negotiations between states and the federal government to improve driver's license security.



In other words, someone "snuck" this onto a bill having nothing to do with the subject, at least directly. And there seemed to be potential for reasonable compromise on this issue - instead, someone just snuck this through. Now, I know this is how things operate up on the Hill, but doesn't it seem awfully suspicious? For those of you asking for proof of a conspiracy of sorts, this is at least credible circumstancial evidence of some foul play. Anyone know how to find out who "tacked on" this legislation? I'm in the middle of finals or I'd hunt around. I'm curious though.

A few more angles on this that I haven't seen discussed - one of which is not conspiracy-related but I'll bring it up anyway. It sounds like this is an unfunded mandate to the states (seems to be par for the course these days, see No Child Left Behind, for starters). That'll piss off plenty of states, especially, I bet, the western ones, which don't like being told what to do anyway.

Another thing that's wrong with this technology, which I've seen mentioned a little bit, is my same problem with it being in passports. Conceivably, anyone with an RFID reader (read: identity theives) could brush up against your pocket/purse, activate this, and steal your info. That should bother even people who don't beleive any of the NWO/etc. conspiracies.



reply posted on 12-5-2007 @ 12:50 PM by selfless



This is a efing farce.....


Say no to the microchips...
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