Originally posted by DYepes
Airplanes are not public transportation, they are privately owned transportation mediums.
I am an ex-airline employee, so you're preaching to the choir on this one, besides being partly incorrect. While an airline is an individual company,
and has the right to deny service to anyone it deems to, the airport itself is not. In most instances the Airport is owned and maintained by the
County it is located in, thus making it government property and the terminals public accessible property. After all who do you think pays to maintain
that area? Your tax dollars do. The ATC areas, the ramp areas, the taxiways, and runways, are considered Federally owned.
If you go over to TIA, and look at the vehicles there you’ll notice that many are marked HCAA, and others FAA. This is because some are Hillsborough
County, and some are Federal Government, the Airport Police are also all Federal Police Officers.
Originally posted by DYepes
City transit is public transportation, and I have never rode a bus that required identification to ride, unless I wanted to load my bike on the
front
I agree that in this city, you do not have to show ID yet, but that does not mean it will stay this way:
DENVER -- Federal prosecutors have decided against filing misdemeanor charges against a woman who refused to show identification when a bus she
was riding in entered federal property.
Deborah Davis, 50, of Arvada, Colo., was taken off a Regional Transportation District bus, handcuffed and issued two petty offense tickets on Sept. 26
at the Denver Federal Center, a sprawling campus of federal offices in Lakewood, Colo.
Really all they have to do is declare that our road system is federal property, which they really are anyway, and they will be able to require ID for
you to ride on them. You cannot just look at what is going on in the lettering of that exact law, you also have to look at other laws, and the trends
which are happening in this country today.
Originally posted by DYepes
For you see when you start accusing the government and this and that, that’s who you are accusing. The man who issues you your license, delivers
your mail, or handles your accounting at the IRS. They are the government, and they do not care about tracking you down or what you do in your
personal life, so long as it does not involve denying the rights of others.
Not exactly correct, to the individual government employee, this is simply a convenience item to them. It is something that makes their job easier,
and that is all it is to them at the moment. Most of your government employees are consummate rule followers on the whole, and to them this is just
another rule that will make less work for them. As I mentioned above, the DMV folks want it because it will make it easier for them to deal with
issuing licenses to aliens, for the police, they can track exact things to make investigations easier. In Florida, we already have a Machine Readable
Data-Block and Magnetic Stripe, on our ID cards. Realize it or not, that Data-Block contains your driving record, and supposedly your pawn hits. This
is what I mean by making it easier for the police to track things with these type of ID’s. It will be even easier when they can track down your
location to so many yards of the last time you passed an RFID reader. I have already, personally seen them track a person, to within 1000 feet of
where they were hiding, using that mans cell phone.
Originally posted by DYepes
When you say government is after us, you are disrespecting the men and woman who make up the workforce that keep our society running smooth. It is not
the government you have beef with, it is your elected leaders, the ones you actually have the ability to do something about.
My elected leaders stopped voting the conscience of their constituents a long time ago. Now it’s all about voting for whatever lobbyist, or
corporation is paying them, or their family members the most. Maybe you’re not up on the new trick that they pull now to buy votes, so let me let
you in on it. As they can no longer give funds directly to the representatives, the big trick now is to give things to their family members. One of
the biggest things they do now is hire a family member to a very high paying job, where they don’t have to do anything, and get all kind of fringe
benefits. Of course there is nothing to keep that family member from giving gifts back to the representative.
Also it’s not the government I have a beef with per say, I am simply stating that this goes against my core beliefs on what I consider to be the
“Mark”. I don't understand how you can have a crucifix as your avatar, and not kind of see where I am coming from. As a Christian we are to
submit to our government as long as it does not directly conflict with the Laws of God, and unfortunately this law is a conflict in my understanding
of eschatology.
Originally posted by DYepes
And frankly, your Fingerprints were collected by your local health department when you were born, thus being readily accessible by the Federal
government if they choose so.
I believe that they collect your foot prints at birth, at least they did when I was born, I do not think they took my finger prints as well. If they
have them on record, in a usable format, then why do they run events offering to finger print children? Why did I have to be fingerprinted when I went
to work at the airlines for customs clearance?
Originally posted by DYepes
The "FEDS" have had my DNA on file for five years, and I have not been harassed, monitored or tracked.
You can bet that if a crime happens in your area, and the DNA comes close to a match with yours, that you will be harassed and brought in for
questioning. I am sorry if you don’t understand this because you have had to submit to these things already, but for someone that has not committed
a crime, the government has no need to have information on my DNA, Fingerprints, and/or retina scan. If I submit to these things and some crime
happens and my info comes up as a possible match, then even though I am innocent, I can similarly be hulled in, arrested, and questioned.
Originally posted by DYepes
If you want to make a difference, pay your credit cards off within a year, save up alot of money, and get involved in the political system. Create a
local lobby group, and even try to get your closest associates to participate as well. Your fears have arisen out of your lack of participation in the
system. Voting for your leaders does not cut it. You have to become a leader yourself. Because if you do not lead, then you follow. And if you follow,
then you should not complain, because you make your decisions based on what others request or demand of you.
I can agree with this to a point. The problem is that, as I said above, the majority of folks in office are not voting their constituents minds, and
there is a reason for this besides what I mentioned above. You also have to understand that corporations hold a sort of blackmail power over
politicians at the local and state level. That power is the power of location. If the representative always votes for the constituents, then the
corporations in that area leave, and with them the jobs. So even if a representative does what the people want, they end up hating him anyway, as they
end up with a high unemployment level. It’s a very fine line to walk being a politician.
Originally posted by DYepes
The state clearly has the options, but is not required to have this bio-metric data in their new systems. Your Drivers license will still say State of
Florida.
Yes, you are correct, but it’s what is under the surface that concerns me. This Real ID is simply a way of installing the National ID without it
actually saying “National ID” on the surface.
Originally posted by DYepes
And hey, since you say you live close to Tampa, I say we get together for a good chat, you sound like a friend I could conversate with about
intelligent stuff considering all my old buddies were junkies, drug dealers and thieves.
Sure thing, it’s always nice to have someone to talk with about these kinds of things, send me a U2U.
[edit on 5/27/2007 by defcon5]
, I had no idea that someone could possibly do such a thing. I do understand that anything Federal is really owned by the people,
but in many cases you’re fighting against such an overwhelming force it does not seem worth it. Also granting rights to everyone to do whatever they
wish is not always a good thing. Even though airports are Federally owned I hardly think letting folks walk around in restricted areas is a good idea.
I just mentioned your paper here to a law enforcement friend of mine on the phone, and boy, he got upset by it. 
