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Topic started on 7-5-2007 @ 09:47 PM by dbates


Email Newsletter Special Feature
May 7, 2007
By ATS Member "dbates"


I, like most of the members here find myself easily drawn into petty arguments. Did the towers fall on their own? Is the war in Iraq justified? There's nothing wrong with looking into these questions. They all make for great conversation, but I honestly think we're spending too much time debating and arguing symptoms of the problem instead of the real issues. What's behind all of these events? Who is shaping the future? Inquiring minds want to know and you should be asking these questions. I believe that this is an issue that is common to almost all conspiracy discussions. UFOs are hidden, wars are started, elections are won and lost. While we sit around a discuss each angle individually the bigger picture is being looked over.

I often wonder if we are like the blind men arguing what an elephant was like. Is an elephant like a spear, a snake, or a rope? While none of us are exactly wrong, none of us are correct. For a moment I would like you to consider the bigger picture. Think global instead of locally. The election in 2008 will just be another notch in the chain of events that's powered by a much greater force. What is this great force and where is it taking us? Without dragging this out for too long I'd like to jump straight to the point that prompted me to bring this up. The following transcript is from an event that was put together by the Brookings Institution. The project is titled "Managing Global Security". While this discussion took place last week, the project is ongoing.

This project is to develop concepts and ideas on how to revitalize that national security system and shape the world in a way that can provide for peace and security over the next 50 years.
- Page 4
This morning or this afternoon, I am delighted that I am so to say also present a declaration of something, maybe this new initiative on global governance. ...It seems to be that the aim of this project is ambitious and is also urgent. To launch a reform effort for the global security system in 2009 is imperative.
- Page 9 (Javier Solana)
Let me start by saying that the global governance is an awful term, but it is vital
- Page 10 (Javier Solana)
Read full transcript

Yes, we can all see where this is headed to. You do have to wonder if the War in Iraq, or 9/11 were just staged pretexts to usher in this great age of security. According to the Brookings Institute we all desperately need this global security to assure our safety and sanity. First we saw the creation of a need, now we're seeing the solution. We must all surrender some of our sovernity to a greater global cause. Read the entire transcript and you'll see that the general idea is that there must be a global government in order for us to succeed. They do a masterful job of tying together the economy, environment, and security and heaping it all under this global umbrella of security. Of course this security has to be controlled by someone and you can bet that the ones who will be in charge have something to do with this ongoing discussion.

This creeping threat of a takeover on the global scale hasn't happened overnight. It has been steadily growing for years, but I would like to keep the focus on more recent times. It became somewhat obvious what direction we were headed towards when President Clinton surrendered to NATO control over the conflict in Bosnia. During that period we were beginning to see the wheels of the global machine starting to turn. Not to be overlooked is the fact that Javier Solana was the NATO commander at the time. Yes, the same Javier Solana that is the the driving force behind the "Managing Global Security" initiative. Look at Solana's CV and you will find that it reads like a screenplay for taking over the world. Still, don't focus too much on this one individual. This is more about the concept of handing the reins of control over to a global power than who is sitting in the seat of power.

While things were beginning to look good for the global-minded, something happened that they were not exactly prepared for. President George Bush is acting too unilaterally for their liking. The events of 9/11 were meant to bring the world together in action, but instead it temporally succeeded in splitting off one of the most powerful pieces in the global chess game. I don't believe that this was the intended outcome. Most likely they (The organizers) wanted to see more of a unilateral action like we saw an Bosnia. Instead of a team player president we saw more of a cowboy president. Solana touches on this fact directly in the speech and describes how the United States is holding back the the development of the United Nations and therefore the global security system has been deterred. Of course this is only a temporary set back. Notice how he postpones the launching of this reform effort until 2009. By that time the new U.S. president will have had an opportunity to get settled in and will be able to assist in the creation of this global security umbrella. The addition of a more global friendly U.S. president along with a population who is tired of war, is the perfect chemistry for the handover of world government to another source. The people of the U.S. will now cheer when a newly elected leader states that he is going to hand over the business of policing the world to another organization.

Will this global leadership be good? It's hard to say but we all know that absolute power corrupts absolutely. Let's not fall into the trap of staying locked into permanent debate on symptoms. Look outside your community to the world around you and see the full game that's being played.


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reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 01:53 AM by skid


Iraq and 911 are just a small part of the picture, listen to the series of MP3 audio files located at the following URL's. They are recordings which were made by Myron Fagan in 1967.

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Part 6

They play better if you download them first (using "save as")

One of the events which has taken place since the time of these recordings is the so called collapse of the USSR. Note that on November 2, 1987, Mikhail Gorbachev addressed the Soviet Politburo:

“In October 1917, we parted with the old world, rejecting it once and for all. We are moving toward a new world, the world of Communism. We shall never turn off that road!”

“Comrades, do not be concerned about all that you hear about glasnost and perestroika and democracy in the coming years. These are primarily for outward consumption. There will be no significant internal change within the Soviet Union other than for cosmetic purposes. Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep.”

Less than five years latter, the USSR allegedly collapsed and became a democracy. (which is not much better than communism in the first place). Considering that large oil reserves were discovered in Russia during the 1970's and it became the largest producer of oil in the world before 1992, it is rather amazing the country could have collapsed.

Other than vague statements regarding the collapse of its economy, I have not yet found any financial data, or reference of any kind to the countries actual debt, or who is holding it.

. As of 2007, very little has actually changed within the USSR, its central government the Kremlin, still remains in control of the press, the economy as well as the production of oil. Political rivals and up to 100 Journalists are killed each month. Apparently many of their Journalists actually believe they are now free and often engage in "investigations". Even Russia's current name is not new, it was called "The Federation of Russian States" before it was renamed the USSR.



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reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 02:09 AM by sebastiaan


I was trying to open de full transscript link, but
it doesnt work... Any other places where i can
find it?



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reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 02:50 AM by infinite8


I think your take is interesting. Feel free to add more details of what you believe is going on at many levels within many countries.

Where do the dreams of France's Nicolas Sarkozy come into play for the future of the world? A brief summary provided by CNN link
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Sarkozy said he would also work to form a link between Europe and Africa. "We have to overcome hatred to give way to the great dreams of peace and civilization," he said. "It's time to build a great Mediterranean union."

Sarkozy said he would put in place an immigration policy "that is going to be controlled" and a development policy "that is going to be ambitious."

But he said that France would "stand next to" those who are persecuted by tyrants, dictatorships."

"We are going to write together a new page of our history. This page, my dear fellow citizens, I am sure it will be great."
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What about the plans to slowly merge all of the governments of the world through free trade agreements and new monetary systems throughout Europe and North/Central/South Americas?

There are a lot of undeniable things that are taking place that are leading us inevitably to a One World governing body, eventually. When exactly? It will take a long time.

Are there more pros to this One World Society than cons? I see a lot of the bad in this future world, but I see far more promise. I fear the constant loss of privacy while I also dream of the technological potential. I think of what people will learn from one another and how they will help elevate each other to new levels spiritually. I also fear the same things I see as pros may be the biggest con in the end.



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reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 03:19 AM by xwayne



Originally posted by dbates
Email Newsletter Special Feature
May 7, 2007

President George Bush is acting too unilaterally for their liking.



I just have a hard time believing "W" would, or could, ever stand against these globalists for his own agenda. Is he that intelligent or courageous? Is he really a "cowboy president?" If so, I would actually have to admire the guy, and that idea makes me a little nauseous . . .

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reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 03:38 AM by tom goose



Originally posted by xwayne

Originally posted by dbates
Email Newsletter Special Feature
May 7, 2007

President George Bush is acting too unilaterally for their liking.



I just have a hard time believing "W" would, or could, ever stand against these globalists for his own agenda. Is he that intelligent or courageous? Is he really a "cowboy president?" If so, I would actually have to admire the guy, and that idea makes me a little nauseous . . .

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personally I think Bush can do what ever he wants while in power as long as he keeps feeding the Banks more debt and more revenue. As long as he doesn't mess with that, rather endorses it, his life is in total safty.

I dont think we will see another assasination untill someone messes with the bank.

Why heat yourself out while you are still holding the nuts?

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reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 06:27 AM by Foucaultff78


You should read Empire by Michael Hardt and Antonio Negri, it takes the New World Order theories in context with globalization, arguing that a global governance "Empire" is arising. In their second book "Multitude" they adress things like the "Unilateral War on Terror" as just a civil war within Empire that is used to solidify its control.

In essence i believe that the war on Terror could be part of the game of control. It's unilateralism has created disaproval throughout the world and can be used as justification that a multinational security organization should be used for things like terrorism.



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reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 07:37 AM by detonator


It's not complicated and it's also a test each civilization must go thorough or perish. You need to transform religions into new awareness, improve yourself and stop with all hatred and violence. Abandon mysticism and realize you are not that much separated from others on this planet.

Without new awareness New World Order will be just another communist super-state doomed for destruction in near future. With old "moral" order you are pretty much doomed too.

This is not something you must do, it's needed if you want to survive. Many civilizations failed the test, including Atlantis.



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reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 09:00 AM by shrunkensimon



Originally posted by detonator
This is not something you must do, it's needed if you want to survive. Many civilizations failed the test, including Atlantis.



Life is not a test, it is an experience. You don't lose, you don't win. You only learn/progress/ascend.

The New World Order is an attempt to stop the process of ascension, an attempt to keep the status quo/control over humanity. It is NOT a good thing. Any system with "laws" is doomed to corruption somewhere down the line..



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reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 09:15 AM by detonator


Yes i agree, it's experience and laws are easily corrupted, especially laws based on blind faith and brainwashing like most of religion is.

This soon produces wars as evident from history and also it can cause mass destruction with new weapons combined with old primitive laws, mysticism and holy books based on imagination. In short -- you need to change or perish as many did before.

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reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 09:18 AM by junglelord


Yes I believe that is the proper big take on the elephant...well said.



The security state is part of the global NWO plan of implementation.


The events that lead to a security state are orchastred by the NWO, Bilderberg, Bohemian Goove, Rothchilds, Skull and Bones people via a seriers of staged and embedded events.



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reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 10:58 AM by dbates



Originally posted by sebastiaan
I was trying to open de full transscript link, but
it doesnt work... Any other places where i can
find it?


I have noticed that their site is hit and miss. I saved a copy of the trascript which you can find here.



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reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 11:25 AM by dbates



Originally posted by infinite8
Where do the dreams of France's Nicolas Sarkozy come into play for the future of the world?

What about the plans to slowly merge all of the governments of the world through free trade agreements and new monetary systems throughout Europe and North/Central/South Americas?

There are a lot of undeniable things that are taking place that are leading us inevitably to a One World governing body, eventually. When exactly?


All of this ties into the Alliance of Civilizations. This isn't just a feel good plan. It has actual strong backers in the U.N. and the E.U. by the highest leaders in each organization. As far as Sarkozy's comment about getting Europe and Africa to work more closely together, that plan is in place as well. It's called the European Neighbourhood Policy. If you look at the map on their home page you'll see that they are focusing heavily on Africa. Sarkozy is going to give more control over to the EU than his predecessor would ever concede. Slowly but surely the old-world leaders are being phased out and new leaders with more of a global mind-set are stepping in to replace them.


Originally posted by xwayne
Is he really a "cowboy president?" If so, I would actually have to admire the guy, and that idea makes me a little nauseous . . .


I do believe that "W" is more of a loner and the EU and UN would like us to have more of a globalist president. The Iraq invasion is an obvious grab for power and oil (are we running out of oil?). Currently the U.S. is acting in it's own best interest and is being slightly selfish. What happens after this next set of elections could really change things. I'm sure that everything will seem better when we are cooperating more fully with global interests, but we may wake up one day to realize that we were better off going it alone. Even if we were seen as cowboys. We may look back and see that "W" was just looking out for #1 (the U.S.) as an isolationist. We might even appreciate it.


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reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 11:47 AM by Vinadetta


I agree it is important to take a step back and truly observe the world from a 5000ft prospective. It is true that people are behind the scenes creating events in order to further there agendas. World War I and II were used to bring about major social and economical change, and the people who continue to this day with the same agenda are working to further this progression. A global society has been planned and in the works for some time now, and slowly this is taking place. The United States will soon be joined with Canada and Mexico to create a North American Union.

The fact of the matter is the people that are behind thesed staged events are masters at manipulation. It goes back to Maslow's hierarchy of needs and the need for security of the body, of employment, of resources, of morality, of the family, of health and of property. They know how to take this basic human need and twist is how they see fit for there own personal objectives.



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reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 12:22 PM by WiseSheep



Originally posted by dbates
I have noticed that their site is hit and miss. I saved a copy of the trascript which you can find here.


You looking for this?

Google Video Link



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reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 12:30 PM by 12SeVeN34


I just wanted to throw this out there. Not to get political, but I have been reading Ron Paul's website and his plans for the US if he became president. It is apparent that he knows some of what's wrong here and wants to fix it. (cos we all know the issues)

"abolish the federal reserve and restore the republic"
-ron paul

I like that idea, but how long would he last? JFK tried to do the same, and didn't make it very far. (although he also wanted to dismantle the CIA, too) I just wonder how the powers-that-be would get rid of the man trying to save the US. Could the results of the election in 2008 really bring us to civil war? Could he become the president of the republic of america, while bush-family presides over the divided states of america?

I'm not political expert, but we all know of the problems inherent in the system, and can ascertain the suspects. BUT can we prepare ourselves to move forward with fixing it, or wait for collapse?

Just a theoretical question. I'm not saying to secede! lol



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reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 12:31 PM by Shar_Chi


Now that the horizon has been defeated, you'd think that a world govt was a logical progression for humanity. However, the machiavellian axiom 'power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely', as mentioned earlier, casts a dark shadow over the affair. And if you can judge people by their actions rather than their words, then the overwhelming evidence points to an abomination of authoritarian tyranny (tautology?).

I think the old fogie cliques running the show grew up whispering in backrooms rather than shouting in internet chatrooms. They underestimate how relatively informed and willing younger generations are to take on new concepts such as world government. So all the hiding in shadows & doublespeak is rather pointless baggage.

My hope is that after the nwo goal is finally achieved, something miraculous happens to transform the new global apparatus into a progressive model. So perhaps foolishly, I actually feel quite positive about it.



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reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 01:03 PM by dariousg



Originally posted by junglelord
Yes I believe that is the proper big take on the elephant...well said.



The security state is part of the global NWO plan of implementation.


The events that lead to a security state are orchastred by the NWO, Bilderberg, Bohemian Goove, Rothchilds, Skull and Bones people via a seriers of staged and embedded events.


And where do all of those places lead? Where will the 'seat' of power actually reside?

If you really want to know where the NWO is going to be based from simply follow the similarities between all of the above listed 'societies' and you will see something disturbing. Well, disturbing if you are Catholic because they all lead to Vatican City.

Like the OP states, it's not about the little things or events that lead to a NWO. It's about the big machine behind the scenes. That is where the power rests. Every single secret society symbol can be found within many of the major 'Roman Catholic' institutions.

So how do you prevent something so big? As has been stated here a few times. It's part of the process. Each major civilization that has been bent of world domination has fallen. People don't stand for it once they understand what is going on. However, in most cases, it takes quite a bit of personal loss and death before the people truly revolt.

What they are trying to do right now is establish a world military that will blindly follow their orders. What I believe will happen though is that this military will be filled with people that will eventually do what they are trying to prevent the people of the world from doing.

Think for themselves.

A thinking person is a dangerous person. That will always be the weak link that forces the major collapse of civilizations/groups bent on world domination/control. No matter how brainwashed a person becomes nor how blindly they follow their leaders there will always come a point where they will be faced with a decision in which their better judgment will go against what they have been forced to swallow as fact.

I can go on and on but most of the people reading this thread get the point. It's up to the people to prevent this from happening. Force in numbers instead of force in finances. They have developed a debt dependent world that they feel they can control. Unfortunately everything is pointing at a massive world war that will touch every corner of this planet with pain and suffering. This is all because of the few that want to control the whole.



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reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 03:16 PM by deaman88



Originally posted by dbates
Email Newsletter Special Feature
May 7, 2007
By ATS Member "dbates"


I honestly think we're spending too much time debating and arguing symptoms of the problem instead of the real issues. What's behind all of these events? Who is shaping the future? Inquiring minds want to know and you should be asking these questions. [quote/]




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reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 03:18 PM by deaman88


Good idea, but the even greater concern is surely what can be done to counter the onslaught? or what measures to take in the event of global shutdown using military force against innocent civilians?



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