Stealth aircraft carrier

Don't know if anyone mentioned this one yet or not but my friend has a cousin in the navy and he says that they are less than 10 years away from deploying the first stealth aircraft carrier. This thing can compliment hundreds of aircraft and float up on any coast without being detected by radar. Anyone heard of this one?

You might want to check out this link, see if its close to anything you mention.

www.lowobservable.com...

And also www.popularmechanics.com...

It's close to the CVNX but that's not it. This one is completely stealth and I don't think there is any information publicly available...unless someone leaks it. I'll look into it some more.

The latest information on future US Aircraft Carriers---CVX Program:
"21ST CENTURY CARRIER FORCE"
Link:
www.popularmechanics.com...

"Radical New Carrier Design Studied"
Link:
www.dt.navy.mil...


Hope this helps.


regards
seekerof

[Edited on 3-1-2004 by Seekerof]

Or heres another link you can try.

www.fas.org...

Or try an excite.com... search, it brought up a few links on the cvnx.

There are not going to be any stealth aircraft carriers for a while, at least 20 years.

Even if built and deployed could the propulsion be made quiet enough so that carrier would not be detected by a SOSUS type network or submarine ? don't these things need to put out 500,000 HP to the water to get above 30+kts.

it is possible to do since they are a head in that area but i doubt is somthing new he could meen one or more of the new ford class

A stealthy aircraft carrier, eh? Sounds good on paper, doesn't it?

A couple of questions spring to mind, quite apart from the issue of noise reduction from nuclear and deisel powerplants.

Wake..............As I understand it, when a ship moves through water, tiny micro-organisms luminesce in its wake. This liminescence can be seen by reconnaissance aircraft and satellites;

Aircraft............Pre-supoposing that said aircraft carrier will operate with stealthy aircraft, there is the issue of aircraft launch. Even modern carriers use steam catapults to launch aircraft into the wind. These produce a tremendous amount of heat and noise, as do the launching aircraft.

Heat...............Even a stealthy a/c carrier will radiate enormous amounts of heat. Some may be deflected underwater or perhaps cooled within the ship in some way; exhaust fumes and gases may even be scrubbed clean by recycling eqpt within the hull and technology exists today where heat can be exchanged for power;

Each of the issues I have raised above, can cause a ship to be detected.

The ship will be able to reduce noise and heat signatures to a minimum; it will probably be able to reduce its radar and radio signature to almost
'zero' and I think it would be possible to eradicate the launch signature of aircraft.

But, for all its modern technology, a stealthy ship cannot hide the bow or stern wake or the micro-organisms that luminesce in the wake.

Always remember that thermal reconnaissance can be used [as a back-up]to detect any stealthy aircraft, tank or ship.

The magic in detecting stealth objects, is in finding the correct radar frequency and directing enough energy at a suspect object, before subjecting the object to thermal examination.

Originally posted by Phoenix
Even if built and deployed could the propulsion be made quiet enough so that carrier would not be detected by a SOSUS type network or submarine ? don't these things need to put out 500,000 HP to the water to get above 30+kts.

Can't be done. You can detect a surface ship by the noise of it's hull passing through the water.

"my friend has a cousin in the navy "

I stopped reading right there and so should have anyone else before falling into this question hook-line and sinker.

There are stealth ships already so why not a stealth aircraft carrier?

Stealth boats:

















WHAT THE DUECE?



Nothing to fear countrymen for it is only a new floating golfcourse.




[edit on 10/17/08 by stikkinikki]

reply to post by stikkinikki


One big problem that hasn't been mentioned at any length is that an aircraft carrier, by its job description, isn't going to be simultaneously stealthy and a functional aircraft carrier. It's technically possible to shape the hull in such a way as to play games with the radar cross section (like the Lockheed "Sea Shadow" demonstrator), and it's possible to build stealthy aircraft. The problem is that an aircraft carrier and its planes have to coordinate their operations with one another, and with their escorts. That means radiating massive amounts of energy in the form of communications, and in the form of air-search and surface-search radars. Add in massive (and pretty much unavoidable) water noise from high-speed maneuvering during launch and landing, and you aren't going to be very 'stealthy' in practice, even if your hull form is stealthy in theory.

As for your "What the Deuce?" picture, it's a Chinese military museum, built as a (roughly) 7/8th scale model of a Nimitz class CVN. More info here, including the image you posted: Inland Aircraft Carrier

Perhaps they have perfected an allover kind of stealth protection for the aircraft carrier at last?

www.unsolvedmysteries.com...

Something like this would be by far away the only totally reliable kind of stealth protection - something that scatters any kind of emg wave.

reply to post by liquidself


The only problem with the Philadelphia Experiment being used as a prototype for a 'stealth' aircraft carrier is that it's largely a figment of conspiracy theorists' collective imagination. Note how the 'sources' in that article are all nebulous? In fact, most of them are circular. The USS Eldridge (DE 173) had its hull degaussed (just like the vast majority of military ships in WW-II) in an attempt to make the ship "invisible" to magnetic mines and the magnetic detonators known to be used by the German U-boat force. She remained comfortably visible throughout her short service with the USN, spent a few years in reserve, and was then transferred to the Greek navy, where she served under the name "Leon" (D-54) until around 1991.

The Philadelphia Experiment and its continued acceptance does prove one thing....it's possible to build a long-lasting 'truth' from a surprisingly small body of self-referencing 'facts'....all the more so in the age of the internet.

heh heh I tend to agree with you brother. I think I should have found a better link. It is true how self-confirming and logically circular facts tend to proliferate in conspiracy topics. Eldritch has always intrigued me tho - the potential for a perhaps Tesla inspired device being tested by the US govt is not far fetched at all - and I am sure any nation would like to have this kind of device that sets up some kind of universal emg protection. It surely represents at the very least some kind of holy grail of defense. Anything we (as civilians) would know about in the defense industry even as rumour (as the original stealth plane was know as rumour before it was confirmed) would probably already be surpassed by secret defense prototypes - maybe by as much as 20 years; which would put actual current stealth tech where now?

Aircraft Carriers dont sail alone. They have dozens of support ships and at least 2 submarines that provide a security net around the carrier. So unless every single one of the tenders and frigates and cargo ships carrying milk and eggs for the carrier are in stealth mode, it wont matter.

reply to post by rabinny


I overheard that China is delaying her air-craft carrier project because of the potential for developing stealth carriers. China is now busy with the development of stealth fighters with vertical-lifting capability. With such fighters, the cumbersome deck of conventional carriers will become obsolete and could be replaced by tanker-type stealth-shape deckless carriers with fighter exits directly on top of the hangers.

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