www.youtube.com...

Before we rush to conclusions and prove are smartness to everyone.
The man says he has 22 hours of film and will post it when there is enough interessted public. So let's push a little on the YouTube replies and try to get more. When it is a hoax, it will come out, evidently. In the meanwhile, this is interesting stuff.

Thx Cynific for your mailefforts!

Very intersting, at least the object was found in a Nasa photograph.

Nice find

Don't you wish that these hoaxers made better use of their time, imagine all of the creative work that can be utilized instead of making some hoaxed video on youtube!

So is this thread ready for the *HOAX* stamp yet by the moderators??

Launching that hugh rocket at night is going to hide the light from the rocket even better than during tha day? How would high winds cover up the visual?

it's 8 pages now, and still no one noticed this guy registered at YouTube on April's Fools Day ?

www.youtube.com...

Try to translate the Latin sentence he included in his description text at the bottom (expend it by clicking (more) ) :
"carpent tua poma nepotes"


This is a link to the Apollo 15 camera sweeps of the moon area which the Iszak crater is positioned in :
www.lpi.usra.edu...

You can download a HUGE 17014 x 5744 Pixel jpeg 300 dpi picture of it with much more detail :
www.lpi.usra.edu...
Warning : better have broadband ISP connectivity, a 56K modem will take forever!

You can find the Izsak crater in this huge moon chart picture at Latitude / Longitude : 19° S / 117.5° E and it is covered within the camera sweep depicted by one of the many concave shaped red outlined camera sweeps on the chart, named 9625 on top and 9630 at the bottom of that concave area.
Your horizontal screen slider must be first set at 117 E at the bottom of that chart, then you slide your vertical screen slider up till the 20° S position on the chart. You'll see the Izsak crater positioned just down left of Fermi at Latitude / Longitude : 19° S / 117.5° E.

Appollo 15 crew took the following stereo pair pictures from 117 km altitude, with a sun elevation of 27° :
www.lpi.usra.edu...
www.lpi.usra.edu...

If you can lay your hands on expensive photo stereo equipment, you will have a much better view of the shadow depths, in 3D.
Some one here at this forum could however cut and paste the exact same box out of the 2 photo's with the anomaly in the centre, and post them beside each other. Then a simple 3D colour spectacle with red and green glass in it will give you the cheap solution for the costly NASA equipment.
The left photo must be overlayed with a red tint, the right photo with a green tint by the poster. Or reverse the colour overlays, if your spectacles have different colour glasses for left or right.

Anomaly :
It looks to me as a strange play of shadows. Sun elevation 27°, remember that sharp angle.
The real form of the "ship" is a "boomerang" shaped magma extrusion.
The shadow of the cliff to the north of the elbow of the "boomerang" extrusion gives the impression of a nose cone above that shadow, while in fact the extrusion bends down further around. Take notice of the sun's position, and thus all the shadows. The cliff's shadow is in the right place, in the bottom of the elbow.

I'm however still open for discussion, since it erupts a lot of useful information, not very well known to a moon-illiterate public.

Unfortunately, as in any venue, there are going to be those whom for the lack of education and open mindedness, are going to "automatically " debunk any material put before them. It is a astigmatism that has been placed on society and perpetuated through the ages and does NOT exclude itself from carrying on in HERE.

People have been programed NOT to believe. And anyone who tries to spread knowledge of a "taboo" subject is going to be the object of scorn and ridicule,
socially, professionally, and personally.

Being too quick to jump to the "status quo" responses for every bit of potential evidence put before them is just further evidence of the amount of control they have over us.

DENY EVIDENCE is not the purpose of this forum...

I respect ALL opinions given but it seems to me that for a open forum,
there are alot of VERY closed mined thinkers here...if this were a jury (which it is in a sense) it would be deemed a MISTRIAL....the burden of proof lies with Mr.Rutledge...

In the interest of science and discovery, I say..

innocent until proven guilty

The TRUTH of the matter will surface, I just fear that we may brush aside potential REAL evidence in our hurried attempts to debunk all comers....so pull back on the reigns a little bit and THINK...



Nice post LabTop....thats the kind of thoughtful...investigative responses we need in order to get to what we all really want... THE TRUTH!!!

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can be interpreted in two ways, one of them is like "man does not only have to work for himself but also for future generations" (?) the other one google doesn't do a good job with.. anyone find a better trans or know latin?

i don't know what way to go with this, need more info and videos and so on, not ready to stamp it as a hoax quite yet. 'handcam', 'no 20th mission' and so on doesn't convince me. i mean if it indeed was a nr 20 mission then who knows what kind of cameras and gadgets they sent up there.

i say get the 22 hours up there.

Are the conversations here true, or another hoax?

Well heres an online translation:

"carpent tua poma nepotes"

"to pluck your poma grandson"

LOL

From:
www.tranexp.com:2000...

translate.google.com...

The transmissions in the beginning of the film are said to be the ACTUAL live feeds between the astronauts and Huston upon landing on the first moon mission...I dont recall if this was broadcast live (nationally) or picked up by a ham operator.

Can anyone else clarify the details? Any how, this audio has been around for a long time..

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to retiredafb:

"if you really have 22 hours of video of apollo 20 then please post it all. your videos are under heavy debate as to whether they are hoaxes or not. consider making torrent files of eventual source files also so that highest quality video possibly can be looked at, contact me if you need any help."

i say why don't all interested send him something similar on youtube?
i also offered to help him with eventual server storage for raw video if any can be produced.

carpent tua poma nepotes:
Your descendants will pluck your fruit

In the movie at 04:52 there is some chatter, my guess would be Russian,Ukrainian or that region, which would fit the Alexei Leonov as photographer description..

From AS15-9630:



From the alleged AS20-1020:



Lets animate it:



If it's a hoax someone spent considerable time on it. If i were to do it, and I'm rather decent at photoshop (lasseman.deviantart.com)..and I was hard core about it..I'd start by looking at the original, generate a nice bumpmap..which would take me some time, slap it into 3D Studio, position lightning. Recreate the object. Go into photoshop, manually add details. All of this were to be done at extreme resolution. Finally I'd resize it and make sure to try to appropriately lessen the detail.

If this is of a physical miniature? Yeah could be I guess. Someone really quite crafty did it I'd have to say.

It's a lot trickier to add detail to an image than it is to remove.


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Nice work on the animate
The quality if fake is crazy good imo, the terrain and texture of everything looks so real.

Lot's of craters and rock formations match the picture, but the NASA picture is not of great quality to see more detail. And also has some lighting differences that doesn't make things easier to interpret. And the picture from "Leonov" is having a higher angle.

I have been waiting to see this for a long long time, saw stills of this long ago! Nice to have a copy of it for further study.

Thanks for the post, if you boost your volume there is some audio in there. I feel sorry for you guys that think we never went to the moon. You guys stay in your caves because there’s a big ass tigers out here that's going to eat you!

JCM

PS I saw still images of this back in 1992 - It is shocking to see how many of you have been programmed to ignore your intuition!

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I will admit that the spaceship video is rather excellent and not instantly recognisable as fake. However his so-called video of the Apollo 20 launch is so fake looking and so clearly computer generated that it discredits all the rest of his videos in my eyes.

looks to me like a craft from a long time ago, from a galaxy far, far away.

it's an x-wing star fighter.