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reply posted on 5-5-2007 @ 09:51 AM by Netstriker
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This video is so obviously fake it's not even funny. I can't believe some people are actually seriously discussing this. It is stuff like this that
discredits real evidence of such matters.
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reply posted on 5-5-2007 @ 09:52 AM by torsion
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Originally posted by Karilla
There is definitely a shadow underneath what is referred to in the ideo as the "nose".
Any ideas?
The nose is only visible in the model and the model makes you see things that aren't there in the real photograph. The real nasa photo has no
extended nose, look carefully and you will see that the shadow doesn't go underneath.
Not sure what the technical term is but it looks like some exuded molten rock. If you look at the original photo and move to the left you will see a
far better example:
...and this looks like a huge Quatermass-like monster creeping from a crater!
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reply posted on 5-5-2007 @ 09:56 AM by Karilla
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Are you sure thats the same crater? Is that a different angle of it. That would be really helpful, but there still appears to be a shadow in the
original NASA shot.
Edit for stupidity! You already said this crater is to the left... 
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reply posted on 5-5-2007 @ 10:03 AM by rocksolidbrain
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Nicely done....
I remember a video where someone made an entire moonbase walkthrough and people thought it was real.....
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reply posted on 5-5-2007 @ 10:08 AM by tsloan
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Originally posted by roadgravel
A secret apollo 20 mission. I would think that it would have been hard to miss the launch of a Saturn rocket. If someone can verify the launch then
maybe the video has merit.
It might have been hard to keep a secret in the U.S. "IF" this were a joint mission with the soviets then it's not out of the relm of NASA to
launch from a soviet platform?
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reply posted on 5-5-2007 @ 10:17 AM by Cyberspy
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That video is not even a good fake.
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reply posted on 5-5-2007 @ 10:24 AM by torsion
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Originally posted by Karilla
but there still appears to be a shadow in the original NASA shot.
[edit on 5-5-2007 by Karilla]
I've tried to show here the shape of the exuded rock/mantle. The shadow is on the side of the material, not underneath. It isn't a pencil-like
object raised off the ground, but more of a curved flow on the surface.... if you see what I mean:
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reply posted on 5-5-2007 @ 10:24 AM by tsloan
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Well...I guess we will all know if it is "fake" by the end of September? So looks like we have 4 months to play with ideas.
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reply posted on 5-5-2007 @ 10:30 AM by Postal76
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Wow, this is a VERY good fake. You can write it off as a "model" if you want, but if that's true, this guy went to amazing lengths to hoax this.
As someone already pointed out, the craters in the actual picture match up almost exactly with the ones shown in the video. And while the scale could
be off, I don't think it is that obvious, nor do I think it's that obvious that the set was made of "clay."
But I think it's probably fake because:
1) The weird transition when switching to the telescoping lens is questionable
2) We have subtitles but no audible speech
3) The poster seems to have an agenda
EDIT: Haha. If you watch that same poster's supposed Apollo video of "the city," it's pretty obvious that he is a hoaxer. The city video is
clearly just panning around a still photograph with a crappy drawn-in cityscape.
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reply posted on 5-5-2007 @ 10:33 AM by Karilla
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hmm, do you have photoshop? Or whatever package you used to add the yellow, if it has unsharp mask filter. Use Unsharp Mask, and bump up the radius,
not the amount. You will see the shadow much better.
Admittedly, though, on the image above, as is, your explanation could fit. If that shadow is on the side of an extruded flow.
When does GoogleMoon go online?
Edit addendum adumdum: I just played some more. Would extruded lava come out at that angle? Sideways out of the crater, and then downhill? Seems
unlikely. But then so does a cratered alien vehicle.
I know which I'd rather it was....
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reply posted on 5-5-2007 @ 10:49 AM by pai mei
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People never landed on the Moon. Armstrong never did an interview about his experience.
video.google.com...
Anything odd in a moon video is there because it isn't a moon video
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reply posted on 5-5-2007 @ 10:52 AM by Lexion
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Neat video.
If only it could be true.
The video people here have shown some great evidence of a hoax.
Alas, I'm no video expert.
I do however have grammar and spelling as one of my all-time pet
peeves.
I watched the video and two items stood out :
Spelled "buried" as "burried".
And, "shadow" as "shdow".
Not exactly top rate, imo.
Just my 2 cent,
Lex
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reply posted on 5-5-2007 @ 11:00 AM by seenitall
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The part that gives it away is the message saying: 'it must have been here billions of years'.
Clearly stands out as a VERY uninformed statement, especially from an astronaut.
That is, apart from all the above mentioned issues. 
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reply posted on 5-5-2007 @ 11:29 AM by Cygnific
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I send the person (retiredafb) a mail and i got a response mail from him:
My name is William Rutledge, i was member of the crew as CDR. I'll open a site with additional flightplans, various data about the mission.
Regards
Anybody know what CDR means?
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reply posted on 5-5-2007 @ 11:33 AM by Implosion
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Originally posted by Cygnific
Anybody know what CDR means?
I'm pretty sure it means commander.
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reply posted on 5-5-2007 @ 11:33 AM by MrPenny
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CDR = Commander.
He's claiming he was the commander listed on the alleged mission manifest.
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reply posted on 5-5-2007 @ 11:40 AM by Kacen
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Man, I want to believe this is real, but the evidence points to it being a fake.
But, its a darned good fake. He obviously went through a lot of trouble to make this as real as possible. Although honestly I'm getting sick and
tired of hoaxes.
Also really have we ever seen an alien ship before that looked like that? They are always saucer or triangle shaped, never like that. Thats more of a
human design.
Originally posted by AllSeeingI
Check out this video caught by a Police Helicopter camera.
AMAZING UFO FOOTAGE!
www.abovetopsecret.com...
[edit on 5/5/07 by JAK]
Can you please refrain from advertising your thread in another thread? Its kinda rude.
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reply posted on 5-5-2007 @ 11:40 AM by roadgravel
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It might have been hard to keep a secret in the U.S. "IF" this were a joint mission with the soviets then it's not out of the relm of NASA
to launch from a soviet platform?
Did the Russians have a rocket equivilent to the Saturn which could have launched the mission?
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reply posted on 5-5-2007 @ 11:43 AM by Cygnific
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Thanks guy's for the CDR explanation. He seems to be 76 years old, maybe he wants to come clean or something  Anyway, here is his other
correspondence he wrote:
Thanks for your interest for the Apollo 20 mission. I receive many request from viewers. I can communicate with some of them, and I wish to
establish a regular and good communication.
Here are some questions, don’t be offended, it is a way for me to establish priority for the correspondance. These questions and answers will be
useful for me to authentify myself, I will include in the next step a linguistic and historic mark.
I will answer to every question about every fact of the mission, if I’m sure to have a penpal who has a good knowledge of the Apollo program, and
who can investigate and find some of the failures in the Nasa-Usaf communication.
A website will be opened, with some major facts, pdf flight plans, lunar maps , scans of the 70mm hasselblad views. The actual tapes are numerized in
a country who has poor video and 16 mm transfer possibilities.
What is the original name of the Apollo 204 mission.
What officially happened to the LM-15
What is the date of the end of fabrication of the two last Saturn V SA-514 and SA-515
(date of release of the S-IVB)
What happened to these two Saturn V
What is the noun-verb inputs for displaying the MET time on the DSKY
About hi technology used now in space;
Which singuliar material is exhausted by the American Aurora space plane
What is the speed of ejection out of the main motors
What is the maximal altitude reachable by the aurora plane with two additional solid rockets.
Have fun
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reply posted on 5-5-2007 @ 11:46 AM by Horned Frog
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He's bogus in my estimation...
In the accompanying video that he claims is an Apollo 20 launch out of Vandenburg, you can hear launch control call out Bravo 1 followed by a
shortened clip of someone starting to tell the listeners what Mode Bravo 1 means.
It sounds to me like it's Shorty Powers, the Public Affairs officer for the cape. If this were a clandestined launch, why would they have PA
covering the event and providing commentary?
The "Director" fades out the voice audio as soon as he starts to comment which makes me question the validity of his claims. Also, why doesn't he
show the vehicle leaving the tower complex? Afraid we might see some Florida scrub lands?
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