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reply posted on 7-5-2007 @ 04:11 PM by tsloan
Originally posted by Cygnific
carpent tua poma nepotes:
Your descendants will pluck your fruit

In the movie at 04:52 there is some chatter, my guess would be Russian,Ukrainian or that region, which would fit the Alexei Leonov as photographer description..



Well for what it's worth Alexey Leonov was involved with from what looks like a "few" special joint USSR?US projects. Looks like if you track back he had some oversite on Soyuz 21 projects.
Soyuz 21 carried cosmonauts Boris Volynov and Vitali Zholobov to the Salyut 5 space station.

The Salyut 5 crew’s stay coincided with the start of the Siber military exercise in Siberia. The cosmonauts observed the exercise as part of an assessment of the station’s military surveillance capabilities. They conducted only a few scientific experiments–these included first use of the Kristall furnace for crystal growth. Engineering experiments included propellant transfer system tests with implications for future Progress freighter operations.

Experiments conducted during the mission were mainly of a military nature as part of the Almaz programme. However, various purely scientific tasks were also carried out, including solar observations and biological observations (an aquarium of fish was carried into orbit). A TV link-up with school children was also undertaken.

The Soyuz 21 crew seems to have left the station suddenly, ahead of their scheduled departure date. This has been attributed to a fire, an environmental control system failure, and to health problems caused by fumes from chemicals used to develop film from the station’s surveillance cameras. Mention has been made of poisonous vapours present on the station, but the crew also seemed to be suffering psychologically and physically for other reasons. Zholobov in particular experienced terrible space-sickness and homesickness.
I once again go back to if NASA and USSR at that time were all on the same page about a EBE "threat" they would have been more than willing to host a launch from one of their heavy launch sites. But this is just based of the "IF" factor. The fact that NASA has no record of (AP#20) well I have to say that how can we say our government would ever lie about classified missions.






en.wikipedia.org...


reply posted on 7-5-2007 @ 06:55 PM by Quasar
I've been playing around with the audio a little, and the voice in the background does seem to say "Vandenberg 20"

Vandenberg 20

And around 4:50 it does sound like he is saying that he can see meteor impacts

Meteor Impacts wav

I don't hear any voice during most of the transcription though, so it's hard too say where the dialog really came from, and since this mission doesn't exist, except to ole retiredafb, we'll just have to see what else he posts.

If there is some actual audio of these guys speaking, we can compare the accent. If this is indeed a hoax, there was an awful lot of work put into this. I find it peculiar that you can see this thing in the archive photos.

Aren't there any recent high res pictures of the moon?



reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 03:31 AM by JUDGECAL
don't get me wrong.... i love this stuff and would be more than happy if it were true. there are quite a few things that don't make sense to me though.

was it possible to communicate via radio or VHS TV with the earth on the farside/darkside of the moon in realtime? i suppose you could relay a VHF signal off of the CM to earth. but in 1971 on Apollo 15 they were having comms loss from the near side at Hadley Rille even with the relay.

also, the Lunar TV cams didn't have monitors or viewfinders to tell what you were taping. at best they would have a crosshair mounted on top. so how was the cameraman able to zoom that far in and maintain his centered picture on the "cockpit"?

indeed, by Apollo 15 they had started sending "remotely controlled" Silicon Intensifier Target tube cameras with color wheels on the missions. "The camera had a companion control unit to interpret and execute commands from Earth. This pair was officially known as the Ground Commanded Television Assembly, or GTCA." which means that ground control could be running them, but why would they ask the camera man to adjust the aperture and why would he go to a handheld shot?


Shooting the Apollo Moonwalks - A recollection of how it was done by Sam Russell
www.russelland.com...

[from the above linked page]

"There were no sliders on the console that one could delicately adjust. Just pushbuttons. If you wanted to pan left, you punched "PAN LEFT," and the camera would start panning at a fixed rate until you gave it a "PAN STOP." The same was true for tilt, iris, and zoom. There were two exposure modes, "PEAK" and "AVERAGE," and power "ON" and "OFF." That was it."

"The scenes we were about to capture and which we had planned for were a study in contrasts. Proper, automatic exposure control was a real issue. The astronaut's spacesuits were a highly reflective white, and the lunar soil is quite dark, reflecting an average 7% of sunlight."

"With the experience of Apollo 14, we questioned specifications and began the accurate modeling of lunar scenes. Our SIT camera sensor, with its silicon target, was prone to blooming in overexposed areas. We couldn't tolerate the reappearance of Casper. Accurate setting of highlight exposure was essential. The modeling showed our need to revise the peak exposure mode so that the camera set proper exposure for even the distant image of an astronaut. It was a touchy call, as we didn't want glints from shiny surfaces to control exposure."


Comparison of Measured LM/EVA Link Transmission Losses on Apollo 15 with Predicted Values:
history.nasa.gov...



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reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 01:31 PM by Cygnific
Found the Apollo17 images of the area: links to NASA for originals
www.lpi.usra.edu...
www.lpi.usra.edu...





Judge for yourself what it is

Edit: Dont forget, this thing is probably 1.5km/0.93mile long.

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reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 04:42 PM by lasse
Originally posted by Quasar
Where are all the images from SMART-1?

SMART 1

Or did it "crash" before it took any.


It took a few, not many are available through the ESA site tho.


reply posted on 8-5-2007 @ 04:51 PM by Cygnific
Originally posted by Quasar
Where are all the images from SMART-1?

SMART 1

Or did it "crash" before it took any.


www.esa.int... Nothing to get exited about though, the lack of 'real' highres pictures is sad to say the least, it is as good, or bad as 30 years ago..

Edit: I send ESA a email of why they put those poor examples on their website and claim they have high tech photo equipment.

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reply posted on 9-5-2007 @ 02:31 PM by mystr
Hello, here's a zoom of nasa www.lpi.usra.edu...

Compared with one from retiredafb.

After hours spent on the job (efficent zooming was VERY difficult) i can say for sure that the ship's area is blurried and underdetailed: don't know why but it is.







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reply posted on 10-5-2007 @ 05:50 AM by mystr
I think the most probable thing is that the author have satarted his works knowing the existence of the anomaly near the delporte crater.

But how he knew? And about the two who posted in youtube comments saying that they already heard about the ship? (one of them said he saw a still of the ship in 1992)

There's absolutely no other explaination. Otherwise some or all of his materials about the ship are true, but i have some doubts.

Sure is that, if it is a fake, the work behind it it's insane and denotes a disturbed personality or doubtful goals. My personal opinion is that the work to assemble the "apollo 20 video" had to be very very hard and took a lot of time, involving an entire team and not a single man, including high cost materials. Who have similar resouces? Universities? Tv/cine studios? Agencies? These are the questions to do.

Regarding the photos, it seems to me that the photo 3 it's simply the photo 2 with a rotation an some cropping, doesn't it seems to be so?

But in the end, why? Maybe the case of a pre-existent work like someone have supposed? (something like a graduating thesis) Or it's simply an hoax from people who haven't better things to do? I don't think so.

Here's a list of NASA images containing the anomaly:

www.lpi.usra.edu...

Apollo Image Atlas


Panoramic Image Catalog

Apollo 17, Revolution 62, Forward Facing Camera

Images AS17-P-2769 to AS17-P-2889


AS17-P-2801
AS17-P-2799
AS17-P-2799

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www.lpi.usra.edu...


Apollo Image Atlas


Panoramic Image Catalog

Apollo 17, Revolution 62, Aft Facing Camera

Images AS17-P-2770 to AS17-P-2888


AS17-P-2806

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www.lpi.usra.edu...

Apollo Image Atlas


Panoramic Image Catalog

Apollo 15, Revolution 38, Forward Facing Camera

Images AS15-P-9579 to AS15-P-9807


AS15-P-9625

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www.lpi.usra.edu...

Apollo Image Atlas


Panoramic Image Catalog

Apollo 15, Revolution 38, Aft Facing Camera

Images AS15-P-9580 to AS15-P-9808


AS15-P-9630
AS15-P-9632

-----------------------

www.lpi.usra.edu...

Apollo Image Atlas


Metric Image Catalog

Apollo 15, Revolution 38

Images AS15-M-1560 to AS15-M-1703


AS15-M-1579
AS15-M-1580
AS15-M-1581
AS15-M-1582
AS15-M-1583

---------------------

www.lpi.usra.edu...


Apollo Image Atlas

Metric Image Catalog

Apollo 15, Revolution 23

Images AS15-M-0753 to AS15-M-0869


AS15-M-0763
AS15-M-0764
AS15-M-0765
AS15-M-0766
AS15-M-0767

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www.lpi.usra.edu...


Apollo Image Atlas


Metric Image Catalog

Apollo 15, Revolution 27

Images AS15-M-0870 to AS15-M-1013


AS15-M-0895
AS15-M-0896
AS15-M-0897
AS15-M-0898
AS15-M-0899

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www.lpi.usra.edu...

Apollo Image Atlas


Metric Image Catalog

Apollo 15, Revolution 33

Images AS15-M-1014 to AS15-M-1161


AS15-M-1037
AS15-M-1038
AS15-M-1039
AS15-M-1040
AS15-M-1041

-----------------------

www.lpi.usra.edu...


Apollo Image Atlas


Metric Image Catalog

Apollo 15, Revolution 34

Images AS15-M-1309 to AS15-M-1428


AS15-M-1333
AS15-M-1334
AS15-M-1335

----------------------

www.lpi.usra.edu...


Apollo Image Atlas


Metric Image Catalog

Apollo 15, Revolution 38

Images AS15-M-1560 to AS15-M-1703


AS15-M-1579
AS15-M-
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